Scientific proof that God exists? - page 32.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 16, 2018, 07:31:46 PM

Political science can be based on lies if it wants. That is the only science you can use to prove that God doesn't exist.

You can't prove any fairy does or does not exist. If I leave a tooth under my pillow, and the fairy doesn't come, is that proof she doesn't exist? No, maybe she also doesn't like being tested.

Let me know if I can make it clearer for you.

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Quote from: Vod on December 14, 2018, 07:02:48 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 14, 2018, 06:59:42 PM

Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

That has been obvious for thousands of years.

However, the internet is spreading information at an unprecedented rate, and today people have more opportunity than ever before to break through their brainwashing and choose their own god.

I can scientifically prove that dogs can talk, if I bend the word "proof" to my liking.

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Political science can be based on lies if it wants. That is the only science you can use to prove that God doesn't exist.

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Quote from: Astargath on December 16, 2018, 09:29:42 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:42:36 PM

Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 06:38:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:36:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

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Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

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''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god?

Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable.

Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is?

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Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:42:36 PM

Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 06:38:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:36:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Cool

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

Cool

''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god?

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 14, 2018, 06:59:42 PM

Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

That has been obvious for thousands of years.

However, the internet is spreading information at an unprecedented rate, and today people have more opportunity than ever before to break through their brainwashing and choose their own god.

I can scientifically prove that dogs can talk, if I bend the word "proof" to my liking.

Cool

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Quote from: Vod on December 14, 2018, 06:45:10 PM

Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 06:38:24 PM

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

There are actually thousands of gods. BD picks and chooses which one he wants to believe in, if any.

Same as every other person on the planet.

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Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

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Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 06:38:24 PM

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

There are actually thousands of gods. BD picks and chooses which one he wants to believe in, if any.

Same as every other person on the planet.

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Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 06:38:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:36:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Cool

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

Cool

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Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2018, 06:45:17 AM

Big bang made the universe according to science.

Wrong. It's according to some scientists who didn't apply enough of any science to think that BB could even exist, naturally.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 06:36:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Cool

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

BADecker

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Quote from: ATMD on December 12, 2018, 03:51:40 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

If I understand this correctly, BADecker is claiming that the universe was spontaneously generated by God
He does not believe that something can be spontaneously generated by itself

Am I correct BADecker?

Wrong. Caused by God. Cool

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Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2018, 08:20:42 AM

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Cool

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Quote from: Astargath on December 14, 2018, 09:21:38 AM

Quote from: ATMD on December 14, 2018, 07:28:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 13, 2018, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

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Nothing is impossible for God. What I was saying is that the difference between us and robots is that we can make free choices to do evil or do good. Robots that are programmed to always choose good can not do evil.

Well, scientifically it's not clear whether we actually have ''free choice''. Everything could be deterministic. Badecker himself said so.

PD: You still didn't answer badecker.

BADecker also said that the free choice that we have is something spiritual and tiny, and that it takes God to activate the results of our tiny free choice, to make things happen.

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Quote from: Vod on December 14, 2018, 11:18:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 08:26:12 AM

if God doesn't step in and stop it.

That fairy tale is the reason humanity is doomed. Billions of people see no need to clean up their mess, as they believe a maid will do it for them. :/

The machine-like nature proves God. Machines have makers.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 14, 2018, 08:26:12 AM

if God doesn't step in and stop it.

That fairy tale is the reason humanity is doomed. Billions of people see no need to clean up their mess, as they believe a maid will do it for them. :/

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Quote from: ATMD on December 14, 2018, 07:28:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 13, 2018, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Cool

Nothing is impossible for God. What I was saying is that the difference between us and robots is that we can make free choices to do evil or do good. Robots that are programmed to always choose good can not do evil.

Well, scientifically it's not clear whether we actually have ''free choice''. Everything could be deterministic. Badecker himself said so.

PD: You still didn't answer badecker.

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Quote from: ATMD on December 14, 2018, 07:28:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 13, 2018, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Cool

Nothing is impossible for God. What I was saying is that the difference between us and robots is that we can make free choices to do evil or do good. Robots that are programmed to always choose good can not do evil.

However, we are trying to make trainable AI that will choose the good.

Since there are flaws in everything that we do, we will only succeed in making AI that ultimately turns to evil. And if this AI is placed into, or controls, a robotic body that has physical strength that is stronger than ours, it will ultimately destroy us all... if God doesn't step in and stop it.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 13, 2018, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Cool

Nothing is impossible for God. What I was saying is that the difference between us and robots is that we can make free choices to do evil or do good. Robots that are programmed to always choose good can not do evil.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 13, 2018, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Cool

''Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible?'' I don't but why would you think it has to be one being and not multiple?

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Quote from: ATMD on December 13, 2018, 04:18:03 PM

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Cool

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