Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 35. (Read 845591 times)

Then why was the bible written at least 80 years after this god died?

Five + generations of people forget about this god, then suddenly many people remember in great detail.   

The bible is a work of fiction. 

Of course there is:
Age of the earth:
https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

Age of the universe:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/04/29/how-do-we-know-the-age-of-the-universe/#473db16a6155
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

This is scientific proof, accepted by virtually all scientists, if this is not proof, I don't know what is.

There is also plenty of evidence that the flood didn't happen, in fact no history book talks about it anywhere.

https://www.csicop.org/si/show/twenty-one_reasons_noahs_worldwide_flood_never_happened
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

There is no proof that the Great Flood of Noah's day didn't happen. There is no proof that the standard, accepted age of the universe is anything near correct. There are no contradictions in the Bible... although there might be many things that we don't understand, clearly.

The God that the Bible is referring to is the God of the universe that science has proven to exist.

Isaiah and other Bible books in the Dead Sea Scrolls show us that the only Bible differences over more than 2,000 years were the gradual changes in the shapes of the letters that make up the Hebrew language.

The Hebrew people are/were probably the most meticulous people in the world. They copied the Bible exactly, because they knew that it was the Word of God, and that it was their duty under His commands to not change it.

You have heard of the infamous 666 number from the Revelation. Well, a few years ago, an archeologist found a copy of the of the Revelation while digging in an ancient Hebrew garbage pit. In this Revelation, the 666 number was written 616. For a while a bunch of scholars thought that here might be a correct writing and understanding of the 666 number... at least until it was pointed out to them that this copy was found in the dump... where it was thrown because the scribe made a mistake in copying it, and tossed it out, and started over.

That is how meticulous the Hebrew scribes were. All that writing by hand, and he had to throw it out because of a simple "jerk" of his pen that turned the middle 6 into a 1.

500 pages and still all kinds of proof that God exists... and all kinds of proof that Vod is ignorant and/or deceptive.

What is empty space? What is nothingness? What objectively is nothing, and what is it made of?

We material beings recognize material things. We even recognize energy. We can objectively analyze these things to some extent. But we can't seem to analyze nothing objectively. Yet nothing fills all the space between the subatomic particles of the atoms, and between the planets of outer space.

Since we can't analyze nothing because it is so foreign to us, and because we can't grab hold of it and place it under our microscope to examine it, how do we know that the thing that we call nothing even exists? Don't we know that nothing exists by measuring certain aspects of the relationships between things that we DO understand... material things?

For example. There is something between Mars and Earth. We can determine this by recognizing distance and size relationships between these two planets. What is the something that is between these two planets. Well, there is nothing there? So, the something is nothing, even though we don't really have a handle on what nothing is... even though we can't grab hold of nothing and analyze it. Yet we know it is there because we can measure the relationships between many thing that exist within this nothing.


Same with God. We can't grab hold of God and put Him under a microscope. But because of the actions of physics in the universe, we can know that He exists, even though we can't scientifically objectively understand anything about Him. The fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity exist in our universe the way they do, proves that God exists.

At present, science can't explain Spirituality. That is the belief of each person and me that God is real.

Do you think it is possible to scientifically substantiate the connection between the human soul and his physical body?

It is believed that God is outside of time and space. Therefore, to prove its existence is quite difficult.

For some strange reason that I could not explain, I agree!

Scientific proof will not prove that God exists, because it cannot and would not possibly comprehend or explain it completely!

Hand copied meant mistakes and cultural differences sneaked in with each generation, like evolution.

How many generations of the bible were written before the printing press eliminated errors?  50% of the bible could be mistakes.

500 pages and still no proof.  This thread is BD's legacy I suppose.

The problem is that the flood is proven to be a hoax, the age of the earth and universe do not match the bible, at all and the other contradictions just prove it even further, god from the bible is scientifically proven to be a hoax.

The problem with this thinking is in the numbers. Before the printing press, there were only a handful of copies of any scientific work except a few of the better ones, like Aristotle. In addition, there were only a few copies of any religion other than Christianity. But there are well over 25,000 hand copies of the New Testament from before the printing press.

Today, copies of the Bible - especially the N.T. - outnumber any other book or manuscript by at least 2 to 1. Starting to seem like science is the weaker of the religions.

It doesn't have to do with odds. It is the Spirit of God getting His Word around to the peoples of the world.

Also the bible and the god from the bible can be scientifically proven to be wrong.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

Most notable errors, the age of the earth and the universe. The fact that we have:

A.  Over 450 English versions of the bible

B. All are translated using different methods and from entirely different manuscripts

C. Thousands of manuscripts disagreeing with each other wildly in what verses and even books they contain, and how those verses read.

You would think the bible, being the only word of god would be kept intact or something.

The flood, proven to be a total hoax. The hundreds of ridiculous laws and contradictions and more.

But there is nothing to read, your argument ends on ''the cause/causes of the universe must have been more complex than the universe'' That does NOT show it was your god and not multiple gods or multiple causes.

Apparently you still haven't read the proof that points to God and not multiple gods or multiple other causes. You can't invalidate anything that you are ignoring just because you say it.

Meh, a lot of useless talk and you still haven't showed what evidence you have to points to god and not multiple gods or multiple other causes, your argument is still invalid.

Why do you always limit yourself to such a tiny scope of thinking? For example, you talk about what is in the dictionary. How did it get there, whatever it is? God placed it there through cause and effect, right?

But you are free to put things in a dictionary, just like other people, right? And you are free to tear pages out of your dictionary, right? You might even get away with tearing pages out of the library dictionary, right? But you aren't free to tear all the pages about God from all the dictionaries and other writings that contain God, because God wants info about Himself to be there for people to read. If He didn't, these things wouldn't be there by C&E, right?

What about your freedom to add words or tear out pages? It is only an allusion of freedom, an artificial freedom. Why? Because none of us has the strength to do anything outside of C&E, or to do C&E without God doing it for us. Why? Because when we decide to cause something to bring about a certain effect, and then we do it, something caused us to decide that way, and many things caused us to be able to carry it out.

So, God is giving us freedom at the same time He is limiting our freedom. And He does it all for our joy and salvation. That's why He allows us to use our freedom to put false info about false gods into writings... so that we can see where these false gods don't line up with reality... so that we can come to Him and be saved, rather than reject Him... God, the only Thing that maintains us, as shown by C&E.

Take Zeus for example. Zeus died, even though many hold that he isn't dead as long as people believe things about him. But nowhere does Zeus have any writings that show that he is the holder of C&E in everything. In this and many other ways Zeus is incomplete regarding the universe and reality. But if he were complete regarding the universe and reality, then all that would have happened is that people would have added another name - Zeus - to the names that match the God of all things.

Again, if you are biased or prejudiced against the word "God" for some reason, use other words or names. I previously gave you a couple - Supreme Being, Great First Cause - and in another post ages ago, I even showed you more. The point is to recognize God for the Greatness that He is in every way, so that you can find salvation from your own demise in this life.

The point is simple. The more we get into science, the more science proves that God not only exists, but that He is the Holder and Controller of all things. Just because there are people who don't want to recognize the science of this, doesn't mean it is not there.

''Why call the Causer of the universe God? Because the dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of God match the ultra great strength, intelligence, and order/organization of whatever the "outside Thing" MUST BE to make a universe like ours.'' You realize how stupid this argument is? If I include Badecker in the dictionary and give it the description of ''creator of the universe'' would that mean that badecker is the creator because that's how it is defined in the dictionary? Are you this dumb or what's wrong with you.

There are many gods defined as creators of the universe, why chose your christian god and not the others? Perhaps it's because that's what they taught you when you were a kid?

LOL! How many times do I have to say that I and others measure God by the relationships between things of the universe? Never do I say that we have any knowledge of things outside the universe, except that the universe shows that there are such things. In fact, I constantly say that we don't know anything about outside the universe, objectively.

To point, on this. Everything in the universe has a cause-and-effect relationship to something that caused it. In addition, the universe never shows anything that exists without a cause. In addition, nothing in the universe ever caused itself.

So, what caused the universe, as all the evidence of the universe shows? Something outside of the universe caused it. Universe shows us this by example within itself.

Why call the Causer of the universe God? Because the dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of God match the ultra great strength, intelligence, and order/organization of whatever the "outside Thing" MUST BE to make a universe like ours. Why MUST BE? Because if it wasn't, we wouldn't have much of a universe, and we, ourselves, wouldn't have the complexity to measure the universe as greatly as we have. Why not? Because it takes something in the line of God to make this kind of a universe. So, whatever is outside the universe is God.


Now, if you are measuring the Maker by the order, organization, and complexity of the universe, why don't you at least accept the term "God" which the universe shows that the Maker is? If you are biased against the word "God," you have all kinds of other word combinations that you can use, like Supreme Being, or Great First Cause.