Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 371. (Read 845809 times)

OK,

Opinions and ignorance are all that we all have I'm afraid, that may hurt your ego but it's the full truth.

Here's my opinion:

Domestication is a subset of evolution it is NOT mutually exclusive to it.

The point buried deep within one of the the texts you linked to is:


No vision was needed, the final model itself evolved:

The animals were already breeding fine in nature. The herdsmen then had to hunt them down, expending energy and time to do so.

As soon as human brain thought "if I could stop these animals running away it would be easier." ... it began ...

This thought may have first been acted upon by using nets or portable fences made of sticks bound together.

A farm is just a permanent large net around an animal.

Thoughts and ideas are just information, this is memetic information and it propogates and evolves over generations in a very similar fashion to genetic information.

Perhaps the first "farm" was a geographically quite contained area where animals came for water. A place that could be closed in with only a modest fence or wall. The herdsmen could fence a herd or animals in that area and then just supply food into the area or if the area were big enough with a water source flowing through it then it may have even been a perfect few acres of self replenishing hunting ground, where animals could be corralled to the edges in order to catch, kill and then eat.

A domesticated animal is still operating within evolution, be it a domesticated cat or ape (human).

Even if humans gain complete understanding and control of the genome then we have not stepped outside of evolution, the only way a species can leave the evolutionary game is by going extinct.

You see it's fun to speculate on possible mechanisms to fill in the gaps, rather than saying.... DUH! GOD DID IT!

There is almost zero open debate in this thread, only opinions and ignorance.

All are encouraged to debate the things that I have posted in this thread, because so far they have NOT been openly discussed. Here are some of the things I posted:

^^ Were you dropped on your head as an infant or just born stupid? ^^

To finalise my proof that all I have shown is from the bible:

The first time I mentioned the magic squares, I showed the maths that is mentioned in the bible, when whoever it was, said "let he who hath understanding, reckon the number of the beast" - I did exactly that, missing out but one factor, although I left a hint re: joining the dots. Spoonfeeding is not my cup of tea. It's one thing to know the magic squares, another to join the dots, in particular, which dots to join. That is for those interested to find out. If your supposed to know, when the time is right, you will find what I typed. If not what I typed, then you'd find the watered down masonic versions splattered all over the web.. None of these scource's however, will tell you to join the dots. For then you gain a power they are not allowed to speak of. I AM, because I AM not obligated to anyone. These are not my secrets to keep. Notice how the losers throw their tantrums because they do not like this fact? I Love it.

The second time I entertained the maths was to show the scource of these magic squares.. type SATOR square in google, and open your eye's. This is why I brought in the pyramids, for this was how I found them myself. After reading the first edition of T.I.R.O ( True and invisible Rosicrucian Order - 1927) All fell into place.. thanks to discovering that TARO cards are the oldest book known to man. They have lasted longer than any book. And always will.

Then, to disprove the bible's age, I decided, ok, no holds barred, they wanna make me look like a fool, I'll put all my cards on the table, so posted the passwords to the first three degree's of freemasonry, an important step, for as mentioned in this thread, all masonic passwords are derived from the bible. Now as I also stated, freemasonry claims to have held the first right of initiation in the pyramid 64000 years ago, the rite's in particular, are the rite's of mithras, which involved child sacrifice to the god BAAL, or to you, the egyptain devil. Proving the events concerning jesus are a load of croc, for the name they use in place of jesus is Hiram Abiff, and why they will never say the name jesus in or out of church. For them to use his name is blasphemy. But marvelous in their eye's..

Then I thought, before we can actually prove scientific proof of god, surely we need to first prove spirituality? I mean, what's the point of claiming you believe if you know nothing of the spiritual? So I posted the spiritual equation, which again I stated is built into every building we see, in particular, buildings with religious connections. So how does this fit in with the twin tower's? Because it was my plan. Lol, seriously, because I knew the maths as soon as I heard what was to be built in place of the origionals.. sometimes 1 + 1 does equal 1 (new one). Walk into any church and ask to see the holy of hollies. This is a symbol of the 216 digit number representing the word, which word I have yet to figure out, but try this: Hebrews have 72 names for this god, (found in tarot, count the cards ), and the mathematical interpretation is approx 216 digits. Freemasonry's first initiation's claim they are looking for a word, in praticular, a word last held by HIRAM ABIFF, the masonic remix of Jesus. He was killed by the three ruffians, or three wise men of the bible.. take your pick.. same story over and over. NOw you know why freemasons will NOT acknowledge Jesus. They have no right to sit in church, but BADecker dont mind I do mind.
 
Now a wise hacker would look for all the evidence throughout the thread, and peice it together to find using google, the plethora of evidence all over the world, that proves I have told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth.

Thanks to God. Do I look like I need saved?

Watch bitcointalk die. Thanks to vod, and oyo.. tata..

Vod/Oyo, YOu are proven to be using multiple accounts, and as syuch, are proven scammers, luagh all you want, but you two TITS are now on the ignore list. I hope other bitcointalk members see how I figured out our scam, for ou two TITS are so stupid, you just cant smell the fish comin out your mouth.. you are now costing bitcointalk.org's banning all over the world as entire continents do address blocking in blocks. Just to bann ou two TITS!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

A true statement.. kindly remind yourself of the four who have continued from the beginning, (you included) to slander the truth bearer.. because tonights final post will make a laughin stock of y'all.. not the rest of the readers, but those to whom I mean.

Ah, last time I saw three TITs in one place, was the arnold swarzenegger movie on mars...

I only wish that I could hear from you too, my non-Christian brother. Christ's teachings call out to you, but you favor the teachings set forth by man.

Stay thirsty for the truth. 

BADecker.. you really expect me to read your pish, when after all that copy/pasting, you still have'nt answered a single fuckin question.. fuck off ya pussy, I have done all I need to here.. you epic fuckin arsehole.. You are now on perm ignore..ya fuckin shitbag.. copy and paste that ya twat.. feel sorry for ya? Nah.. it's one thing to be a jobby jabber, but to spout it out the wrong end say's it all for who you are.. copy and paste that ya wanker.. Fuck off and die.

Tonight I shall stop using this thread, but will put together a final post that will explain the scientific proof of god beyond resonable doubt, but I just got a call to do some wardrivin on a hacker.. bring em down!!

Hi, blackjag. Nice to hear from you again. 

You are doing a great job of that all by yourself.


You place your book on such a pedestal that you reject Christ's authentic teachings. 

I already stated, it's your online image I insult,

Since my online image is very similar to me, it is me you insult when you insult my online image.


because to me your statements, mostly from the bible are worth the words I throw back..

Not sure what this means.


Your word's are more insulting to me, because it's very clear you are quoting or using a book as your defence, not what you personally think..

Actually, much of what I think has come from books.


the fact you cant answer the plethora of questions proves you are brainwashed..

What does someone not being able to answer some questions have to do with brainwashing? Does it mean you are brainwashed because there are millions of questions you only fake answers for?


You claim you are trying to save me, thus, are trying to sell god, albeit for free, you are still hoping to gain a customer, client, which ever term you prefer..

My goals for salvation for you are the same as God's. At this stage of the game in your life, it is your choice.


We in britain do not have guns, and more importantly, would not dream of suggesting that we buy a gun to defend ourselve's..

Didn't realize this would offend you.


we are quite fine knowing if you cant fight with your fists or a stick, you should'nt fight at all.. You sit there as if you god is the almighty, but wont write your gods name in this thread to show the world how proud you are of him.

What does writing the NAME have to do with showing pride in God? You seem to know the NAME already. You have even written it in one of your posts. What does my repeating it have to do with anything? I haven't even been set in the direction of writing it, or against writing it. It just never came up as an idea or need for me to do.


I have produced the facts with regards to the controlling factors on this earth that ARE more powerfull than a god who says we can grow our own food.

Don't know what you mean exactly, but many of the things that you say are so peppered with cursing and swearing and some form of old English (Irish? Scottish?), that it is difficult to follow what you are talking about.


You argue the facts that I have pointed, yet refuse to aknowledge that, all of them come from your book, yes, believe it or not..

I didn't realize I was doing that. It sounds more to me that you are arguing with yourself most of the time. You make all kinds of assumptions about something, suggest that I am the one stating your assumptions, and then argue with them.


I know more than you, simply because I am still searching, and honestly dont like what I know so far...

Well, if you don't like what you know so far, maybe if you stopped searching, you could be at peace. This little section must be important for you, because you ended it in 3 dots rather than 2.


you accept your god, this I would not insult you for, but the fact you have found what you prefer to be your god has created in you, a lackin of the facts you either intentionally with-hold from the mass's, or simply dont want to know because it is the truth.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say here. If you checked the Bible in detail, you would find that it is a unit, with salvation as the goal.


I only insult you for how you blindly go about saying everything will be good and dandy if I take god into my heart, but LAWS prevent me growing food, so no, taking YOUR god into MY heart, will not save me in my afterlife, which begins anew every day.

Again, I don't entirely understand what you are getting at here. Accepting God as your Savior for the "afterlife" definitely is what it is all about. Nobody likes pain and trouble in this life. Yet everyone dies. Death is pain and trouble, at least a little.


Lets say hypothetically that I go with you and follow what it is your trying to get me to do, or lets say I allow you to save me. Ok, so god is in my heart. What next, huh? I leave church after prayer, and go back to my cardboard box? I sit and pray you might pass me, and throw me a cent or two? Will that prayer actually work? No. Because you need every cent you can get as much as the next man, thanks to the corruption of your religion. The Key here, is we all have at least a wee bit sense in that we can go fishing..

I don't save anyone. People need to go to God for that. If they go to a god that doesn't include Jesus, they have the wrong god. If they get the right God, they will have peace in knowing that this short life will be gone soon, and they will be accepted into a wonderful life of joy where there is no pain or trouble.


but first we need a permit.

Actually, you don't need a permit. If you studied this http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/ as much as you study your god, you will find out how to overcome the whole UK government by going to court at Queen's Bench.


We can grow our own food, but cant, because your church owns the land, and the governments have to pay that church tax..

I kinda wish my church owned something of value. As it is, my church's possessions are quite limited, and don't seem to include any land at all... except in a tiny way that I won't go into.


in effect, removing our god given right to eat. Unless of course, we join a masonic club, for only then do we NEED faith in the hope they are charitable to give us a decent fuckin meal. If we think of any other way, as is evidenced throughout this thread, the person who shows the way a: to the truth is b: cast down by you yourelf, not forgetting the rest..

I sure don't feel like I am doing any of this. But if I am, and especially if it isn't called for, please explain how I am doing it. More than likely, what has happened is, you have fallen in love with cursing and other foul language, and you are receiving back what you are doing.


me, I sit here, knowing god cant do anything about the laws seperating the rich from the poor..

Do you really know it? Or do you just believe it?


you are most likely in a well off state with nothing better to do than assume god can indeed help those who take him into their hearts, and this is why I think you are an epic fail in regards to arguing FOR god, when in fact, you put people aginst you, and hence, him.

God takes care of me. He takes care of you, even in your state of unbelief.


When was the last time you sat with a man in a cardboard box,

You have a wireless broadband connection? How do you charge your batteries? solar panels?


and stayed out with him a while, breaking bread with him, and even getting a wee bit drunk yourself, just to find out how cold you are in the morning? You have'nt. Even if you did, you'd still have a home to go to, he does'nt.. you will never see why people hate bible bashers..

Actually, Bible bashers are the ones who put down the Bible, and the God that it talks about.


it's simply because god CANT help..

You got it. god can't help, but God can. God is the only reason any of us are alive and able to do anything.


so pray tell me, now that I have god in my heart, as a man in a cardbord box, what would you suggest I do now?

What? Your wee sister kicked you out?


Get a masonic job?

Well, that might be better than the moronic one you seem to have now.


Put on a shirt and TIE, (symbol of the fool who joined freemasonry, shame on those that dont know) and keep looking for a job, knowing that the jobs are being filled with automatons? Get a grip..

Pray for me, for what I am, you shall become.. Wink

Edit: In case it escapes you, I've been arguing the case for god, NOT the bible..

Nor the God of the Bible.


I have shown a few of the many guises or forms he is shown to the world as, and all you have done is read from one book, and indeed, it is a very watered down book indeed.. shame on you.

With your ability to research, you could have long ago researched that the Bible is way more than what you make it out to be. Oh well. Devil's got you.




Seems that you are filled with assumptions about me. Sounds like you are feeling sorry for yourself at the same time you are trying to humiliate me. No wonder you have trouble in life. Isn't it about time you headed back to the bottle where you can feel sorry for yourself some more, and dream up more ways to attempt to humiliate me?

To quote my friend Brenda lol, the bible is nothing but an ashtray.. full of niggling doubt's..

No. We created your country.. it took me 45 years to figure out that individually, I cant do anything about that, since it happened before my time.. too late I guess.. looks like you need your masonic god after all.. I wonder what we'll create next.. ah.. hows about sending the rich to the moon in a coffin, where they will be forever preserved as ugly as they are in life..

I already stated, it's your online image I insult, because to me your statements, mostly from the bible are worth the words I throw back.. Your word's are more insulting to me, because it's very clear you are quoting or using a book as your defence, not what you personally think.. the fact you cant answer the plethora of questions proves you are brainwashed.. You claim you are trying to save me, thus, are trying to sell god, albeit for free, you are still hoping to gain a customer, client, which ever term you prefer.. We in britain do not have guns, and more importantly, would not dream of suggesting that we buy a gun to defend ourselve's.. we are quite fine knowing if you cant fight with your fists or a stick, you should'nt fight at all.. You sit there as if you god is the almighty, but wont write your gods name in this thread to show the world how proud you are of him. I have produced the facts with regards to the controlling factors on this earth that ARE more powerfull than a god who says we can grow our own food. You argue the facts that I have pointed, yet refuse to aknowledge that, all of them come from your book, yes, believe it or not.. I know more than you, simply because I am still searching, and honestly dont like what I know so far... you accept your god, this I would not insult you for, but the fact you have found what you prefer to be your god has created in you, a lackin of the facts you either intentionally with-hold from the mass's, or simply dont want to know because it is the truth. I only insult you for how you blindly go about saying everything will be good and dandy if I take god into my heart, but LAWS prevent me growing food, so no, taking YOUR god into MY heart, will not save me in my afterlife, which begins anew every day. Lets say hypothetically that I go with you and follow what it is your trying to get me to do, or lets say I allow you to save me. Ok, so god is in my heart. What next, huh? I leave church after prayer, and go back to my cardboard box? I sit and pray you might pass me, and throw me a cent or two? Will that prayer actually work? No. Because you need every cent you can get as much as the next man, thanks to the corruption of your religion. The Key here, is we all have at least a wee bit sense in that we can go fishing.. but first we need a permit. We can grow our own food, but cant, because your church owns the land, and the governments have to pay that church tax.. in effect, removing our god given right to eat. Unless of course, we join a masonic club, for only then do we NEED faith in the hope they are charitable to give us a decent fuckin meal. If we think of any other way, as is evidenced throughout this thread, the person who shows the way a: to the truth is b: cast down by you yourelf, not forgetting the rest.. me, I sit here, knowing god cant do anything about the laws seperating the rich from the poor.. you are most likely in a well off state with nothing better to do than assume god can indeed help those who take him into their hearts, and this is why I think you are an epic fail in regards to arguing FOR god, when in fact, you put people aginst you, and hence, him.

When was the last time you sat with a man in a cardboard box, and stayed out with him a while, breaking bread with him, and even getting a wee bit drunk yourself, just to find out how cold you are in the morning? You have'nt. Even if you did, you'd still have a home to go to, he does'nt.. you will never see why people hate bible bashers.. it's simply because god CANT help.. so pray tell me, now that I have god in my heart, as a man in a cardbord box, what would you suggest I do now?

Get a masonic job?

Put on a shirt and TIE, (symbol of the fool who joined freemasonry, shame on those that dont know) and keep looking for a job, knowing that the jobs are being filled with automatons? Get a grip..

Pray for me, for what I am, you shall become..

Edit: In case it escapes you, I've been arguing the case for god, NOT the bible.. I have shown a few of the many guises or forms he is shown to the world as, and all you have done is read from one book, and indeed, it is a very watered down book indeed.. shame on you.

Just as you allow your country to be in league with mine.

Who in the world is trying to sell God? If a person is unwilling to acknowledge the evidence for God in nature, and the examples for Him provided by science, I completely accept that persons decision. Why would I accept? Because God accepts.

I am not obliged to call you "idiot." Why not? Simply because there may be some hidden aspect of yourself - hidden even from you - that will allow you to finally wake up to God. God, Himself, doesn't call you idiot because of this same reason.

Play your game.

You allow your countries rulers to kill kids in your gods name, enough said. By doing nothing, you are just as guilty of pulling the trigger. This is also written of in your book. You my friend, are arguing with a preist with a knowledge of war..