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legendary
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February 04, 2023, 03:35:52 PM
Logically science can not prove the existence or even the non-existence of what we call "god", the last one is supposed to be behind science and behind logic, it is the power above all powers and forces, even so, science disapprove tje idea that life came from one couple (adam and eve). Scientists says that life can not start from just one couple and it can not give all these species, about that Darwins theory is the closest theory of evolution 1nd not the existence.

Science shows us that it is very difficult if not impossible for two, different species to mate successfully. It's hard enough believing that evolution could have happened once because of the complexity involved. But twice at the same time so there would be a mate? Out of the question.

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February 04, 2023, 12:46:00 PM
Logically science can not prove the existence or even the non-existence of what we call "god", the last one is supposed to be behind science and behind logic, it is the power above all powers and forces, even so, science disapprove tje idea that life came from one couple (adam and eve). Scientists says that life can not start from just one couple and it can not give all these species, about that Darwins theory is the closest theory of evolution 1nd not the existence.
legendary
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February 04, 2023, 09:41:54 AM

... entropy ...

Entropy refers to an entire system and not an isolated part. Energy coming from the sun powers the creation, sustenance, and evolution of life and all of its complexity.


So, why did you leave out the part I wrote about energy not being created or destroyed?

The fact of all energy existing, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with its simplicity or complexity. This means that entropy could be in an entire system, the system becoming simpler in its action and reaction with itself.

Our observations show that the forms that energy exist in are going from complex to simple... entropy.

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February 03, 2023, 08:24:27 PM
Complexity of the universe, the Earth and life, ... It's too big and too complex to be anything other than a construct.
In order to back up that statement you have to show that a construct is the only possibility, and that there are no other possibilities, including inconceivable ones.
Otherwise, it is only your opinion and not a fact.

... entropy ...

Entropy refers to an entire system and not an isolated part. Energy coming from the sun powers the creation, sustenance, and evolution of life and all of its complexity.


Can you tell me the probability of life forming by itself/ accident in the given time of earth's age? How long does it take for elements to come together and form a living organism? If you knew the answer, you wouldn't have said that energy from the sun creates life.

If you put necessary elements that are needed to form as a living organism in a jar/ planet, it would take trillions of years for them to form, and that's just the estimate when we account for the probability. Earth is not that old.
legendary
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February 03, 2023, 05:37:16 PM
Complexity of the universe, the Earth and life, ... It's too big and too complex to be anything other than a construct.
In order to back up that statement you have to show that a construct is the only possibility, and that there are no other possibilities, including inconceivable ones.
Otherwise, it is only your opinion and not a fact.

... entropy ...

Entropy refers to an entire system and not an isolated part. Energy coming from the sun powers the creation, sustenance, and evolution of life and all of its complexity.

legendary
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February 02, 2023, 05:06:16 AM
Complexity of the universe, the Earth and life, ... It's too big and too complex to be anything other than a construct.

In order to back up that statement you have to show that a construct is the only possibility, and that there are no other possibilities, including inconceivable ones.

Otherwise, it is only your opinion and not a fact.



It's all around you. The simple way to say it is 'entropy'. Things gradually change from complexity to simplicity, not the other way around. When they appear to go from simplicity to complexity, it's because there is even greater complexity that "programmed" this appearance. In other words, there is lack of scientific knowledge about how deep the complexity goes.

This doesn't have anything to do with the fact that energy can't be destroyed or created. Rather, it has to do with the modality of the energy... the way it exists and reacts with and upon itself.

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February 02, 2023, 01:30:55 AM
There is no scientific proof that God exists. The concept of God is based on personal faith and beliefs, which cannot be proven or disproven using science.
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These questions taunt me every night.😂
legendary
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February 01, 2023, 08:32:50 PM
Complexity of the universe, the Earth and life, ... It's too big and too complex to be anything other than a construct.

In order to back up that statement you have to show that a construct is the only possibility, and that there are no other possibilities, including inconceivable ones.

Otherwise, it is only your opinion and not a fact.

legendary
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February 01, 2023, 06:32:35 PM
Complexity of the universe, the Earth and life, is almost scientific proof for God all by itself.

When you realize the depths of this complexity, you will see that it couldn't have happened by accident. It's too big and too complex to be anything other than a construct.

Constructs have constructors.

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February 01, 2023, 03:31:26 AM
There is no scientific proof that God exists. The concept of God is based on personal faith and beliefs, which cannot be proven or disproven using science.
legendary
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January 31, 2023, 09:20:13 PM
just because we were created does not mean that we were not created by another life form. we cannot look at everything that created us as god. we as humans can create and sustain things even with our limited technological knowledge. another life form could have created us, god could have created us (if it exists). unless god communicates with us or we see with our own eyes that he communicates with someone, we cannot be sure. without proof, every human being will believe what they think is true. what is certain is to believe in something that we know exists, just like we know that bitcoin exists (unless it is an illusion or a dream).

We were created by another form of life - God. The only thing that created us was God, so there isn't any "everything that created us" to it. Why? Because all of life that we are is encapsulated by all the physics of the universe. Without every aspect of the physics of the universe that exists, we would be different. The only thing great enough to make the whole universe work together is God.

We simply are not aware of enough science to suggest accurately that another form of life that is not God could have aided in our creation.

God attempts to communicate with us through nature. But it doesn't seem to work. So, He went to all the trouble of making a "Bible" for us, with the idea that we pray, and the answer will be found in the Bible. But we even resist this form of communication with Him.

Science has proven Cause and Effect (C&E), Entropy, and great Complexity. These cannot exist in their current form without God. It is only Someone like God that can stabilize them as they are, universe-wide.

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January 31, 2023, 07:01:58 PM
just because we were created does not mean that we were not created by another life form. we cannot look at everything that created us as god. we as humans can create and sustain things even with our limited technological knowledge. another life form could have created us, god could have created us (if it exists). unless god communicates with us or we see with our own eyes that he communicates with someone, we cannot be sure. without proof, every human being will believe what they think is true. what is certain is to believe in something that we know exists, just like we know that bitcoin exists (unless it is an illusion or a dream).
newbie
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January 31, 2023, 11:04:18 AM
Scientific proof that there is a god? I have read completely different scientific studies of human evolution
legendary
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January 30, 2023, 09:15:05 AM
You should first convince BADecker that viruses exist and are real with a scientific proof, after that sciency stuff, we'll discuss about bigger things. - "Virus" is a word. None of the explanations of viruses are based on isolation of a virus, that is, by taking it out of some tissue of a sick or dead person. In other words, that they exist, or what they are, or if they are dangerous by themselves, is not known to be factual.

Here is what a virus is. It's an exosome that has escaped from the body. All plants, animals, people give off exosomes all the time. There are millions (billions) of them in the atmosphere.

While bacteria do exist, and while viruses are described by the medial in a completely faulty way, they are the basic ideas that the medical has built its money-making machine around.

Check out what Dr. Andrew Kaufman has to say - Bitchute.com - or his website, AndrewKaufmanMD.com.


Let us imagine, there is some sort of energy before the big bang ( time and space doesn't exist ) so just imagine it.
This energy after some trillions of trillions of years magically starts creating matter, and magically totally by accident creates the universe in under 15 billion years, so taking the laws of probability into account, universe could not exist as it does today in such a short period of time. - Do you think that there are any science fiction stories that incorporate these ideas? I would guess that there are. Lots of sci-fi writers keep up with science just to get ideas for their stories.

Maybe you haven't heard of this, sub-atomic particles could potentially communicate with each other from vast distances using quantum entanglement and no one knows what encryption method they could be using in order to secure the transmission as well as knowing who is communicating with whom. - More sci-fi fodder. However, this stuff does point towards the greatness of God.

Diving a little bit deep, there is this thing called the water memory, search about it, you'll be amazed.
There is also this thing we call planet earth, it hosts millions of species and thousands of trillions creatures, full of life and color, yet no other planet, even in our solar system has this ability, random accidents would never lead to such selective positioning. Random events won't result in a perfect solar system with perfect conditions for life to grow and thrive.  If anyone is asking for scientific proof of God existence, they should first explain all of this, explain how could all of the universe, life and us exist by random, coincidence? - This stuff IS evidence of God. When it is proven, it will be proof for God... partly because it matches the creation story in Genesis.


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January 29, 2023, 04:53:27 PM
You should first convince BADecker that viruses exist and are real with a scientific proof, after that sciency stuff, we'll discuss about bigger things.

Let us imagine, there is some sort of energy before the big bang ( time and space doesn't exist ) so just imagine it.
This energy after some trillions of trillions of years magically starts creating matter, and magically totally by accident creates the universe in under 15 billion years, so taking the laws of probability into account, universe could not exist as it does today in such a short period of time.

Maybe you haven't heard of this, sub-atomic particles could potentially communicate with each other from vast distances using quantum entanglement and no one knows what encryption method they could be using in order to secure the transmission as well as knowing who is communicating with whom.

Diving a little bit deep, there is this thing called the water memory, search about it, you'll be amazed.
There is also this thing we call planet earth, it hosts millions of species and thousands of trillions creatures, full of life and color, yet no other planet, even in our solar system has this ability, random accidents would never lead to such selective positioning. Random events won't result in a perfect solar system with perfect conditions for life to grow and thrive.  If anyone is asking for scientific proof of God existence, they should first explain all of this, explain how could all of the universe, life and us exist by random, coincidence?


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January 29, 2023, 01:06:35 PM
God's creation is really complicated...humans can never match Him...even though God gives a lot of time to study it.
Human knowledge is indeed little when compared to God who has knowledge as wide as the universe...so why do people always wonder about God's existence if the evidence is all around us...surrender and prostrate to God..
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 12:48:08 PM

It absolutely doesn't explain much about God and His nature. It doesn't even prove that our idea of what God is fits.

To somebody that isn't interested, nothing proves anything. Attempting to prove the existence of God using those 3 things will work, however.

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Which god or gods though?

You are so playful. The Almighty God, of course. The Great One Who created everything.

According to His own will, He exists forever, and outside of forever. He exists within this universe and outside of it.

His power is immense and perfect. As high and far as the furthest reaches of space are away from Earth, so much higher than our thinking is His thinking.

However, because of His love for us, and His pity for our weak condition, He acts humbly with us. But, He expects us to be humble with Him. His great mercy gives us time to change from our prideful ways...

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January 29, 2023, 09:19:35 AM

But, the word 'allah' simply means 'god' in Arabic. If you wrote your post in Arabic, I would ignore it because I don't understand Arabic. The point is, why do you only not translate 'Allah'into English, while you translate all the rest of your words into English?

All that^ aside, this was supposed to be a thread about the scientific proof for God, not the religious proof for God.

The three scientific proven points that show God are:
1. Complexity;
2. Cause and Effect;
3. Entropy.

There is no way to combine these 3 simple scientifically proven universal operations without God. They might exist without each other in some other universe, but in this universe, they exist together. They couldn't exist together without the existence of God to have made them that way.

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That doesn't prove shit bro, you missed me?

It absolutely doesn't explain much about God and His nature. It doesn't even prove that our idea of what God is fits.

To somebody that isn't interested, nothing proves anything. Attempting to prove the existence of God using those 3 things will work, however.

Cool

Which god or gods though?
legendary
Activity: 3906
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January 28, 2023, 09:12:16 PM

But, the word 'allah' simply means 'god' in Arabic. If you wrote your post in Arabic, I would ignore it because I don't understand Arabic. The point is, why do you only not translate 'Allah'into English, while you translate all the rest of your words into English?

All that^ aside, this was supposed to be a thread about the scientific proof for God, not the religious proof for God.

The three scientific proven points that show God are:
1. Complexity;
2. Cause and Effect;
3. Entropy.

There is no way to combine these 3 simple scientifically proven universal operations without God. They might exist without each other in some other universe, but in this universe, they exist together. They couldn't exist together without the existence of God to have made them that way.

Cool

That doesn't prove shit bro, you missed me?

It absolutely doesn't explain much about God and His nature. It doesn't even prove that our idea of what God is fits.

To somebody that isn't interested, nothing proves anything. Attempting to prove the existence of God using those 3 things will work, however.

Cool
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January 28, 2023, 08:02:19 PM
I am a Muslim, and I believe in God, which is Allah. If you ask about God, then you can see in the Qur'an that there is a saying which states, 'there is no god but Allah' which means that in this world there is no God but Allah.

The Qur'an also contains extraordinary content and content. Like, about the creation of this world, also about the creation of man.

The Qur'an has a story about the creation of the first human being, namely Adam. The Qur'an also tells about this world, such as the salty sea and the fresh sea whose waters never mix which has been said in the Qur'an "And He (Allah) allowed
two seas flowing (side by side), one fresh and crisp and the other salty. He made between them a wall and an impenetrable boundary." (Surah Al-Furqan: 53).

And many more words are described in the Qur'an.

But, the word 'allah' simply means 'god' in Arabic. If you wrote your post in Arabic, I would ignore it because I don't understand Arabic. The point is, why do you only not translate 'Allah'into English, while you translate all the rest of your words into English?

All that^ aside, this was supposed to be a thread about the scientific proof for God, not the religious proof for God.

The three scientific proven points that show God are:
1. Complexity;
2. Cause and Effect;
3. Entropy.

There is no way to combine these 3 simple scientifically proven universal operations without God. They might exist without each other in some other universe, but in this universe, they exist together. They couldn't exist together without the existence of God to have made them that way.

Cool

That doesn't prove shit bro, you missed me?
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