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legendary
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October 01, 2014, 03:15:14 PM

Which truth?
 "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"
--or--
"You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION."

Not really wanting to butt in, but, you need both, in very special order.

You need Jesus God because you have messed up in the past, and you can't avoid messing up at least a little in the future. You need to obey the "LAWS OF GOD/CREATION" to convince yourself that you believe in Jesus God.

The problem is simple. Most people have a hard time maintaining both of these, and the correct order in which to do them.

Smiley
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October 01, 2014, 03:15:09 PM

Dude, If I were you, I'd shtoom on THE master of martial arts, lest the rest descend upon ya.. he was an amazing teacher, even better wi nunchucks.. google bruce lee playing table tennis with nunchuks.. this was real.. instinctive.. he is GOD in the martial arts world, someone everyone looks up to or is inspired by.

Why?

Watch the video, I suspect you dont quite know fast, though I detect you are hungry..


I'll pass. I'm not young enough or fit enough to try something like that.  Smiley

Now that's what I move like, only at 45, even I'm slowing down lol, did you actually watch it?
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October 01, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
I got a better idea, lets try this bitchick..

My last job was warden for city of edinburgh council in the temp accomodation for the homeless.. laid off on 7th jan, never claimed benefit's for over 7 months, as I thought, ok, lets see how far I get using NO money.

Did god provide food? No, because laws prevent planting it. So he could not feed me. I sold a plethora of nice synths to survive. Eventually I ran out of things to sell. Did god feed me? No. I haggled and bargained to the point folks got fed up with me including family and close friends.. where was your god when I ended up almost starving to death?

Where was Jesus?

In the end, I had to get off my fuckin arse and get my shit together. Cause I knew god, even if he could, could NOT help due to the laws in place.
legendary
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October 01, 2014, 03:10:35 PM

Dude, If I were you, I'd shtoom on THE master of martial arts, lest the rest descend upon ya.. he was an amazing teacher, even better wi nunchucks.. google bruce lee playing table tennis with nunchuks.. this was real.. instinctive.. he is GOD in the martial arts world, someone everyone looks up to or is inspired by.

Why?

Watch the video, I suspect you dont quite know fast, though I detect you are hungry..


I'll pass. I'm not young enough or fit enough to try something like that.  Smiley
hero member
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October 01, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
I think that there are some things that are hidden from those that do not have the eyes to see though so perhaps the discussions are futile?   Strange that some are so convinced that they can "see" but are still blind.   May God open the eyes of those reading this to see the truth.  That is my prayer.

Which truth?
 "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"
--or--
"You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION."
sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 01, 2014, 03:06:05 PM
Oh that's right. You have already said that you agree that God exists. I forgot.  Smiley

Just keep in mind, mine is greater, for he does not recognise the devil, for the maths proves they are one and the same. I like to think my god is also the devil, as are we.

I don't have a clue who or what your god is. For all I know, he is the same one as mine is, just seen from a different direction.

The point is, the devil attempted to believe God out of existence. He did it by starting with his own personal thought control. Then he subtly attempted to introduce it into the thinking of people (through Adam and Eve). Well, he can't stop this habit of his, even though God has shown him down through the ages, over and over, that he can't believe God out of existence, and he can't delude all the people all of the time into believing God out of existence.

He knows God exists, in spite of himself.

Smiley

Now that's scary.. you go on about the bible and dont know who yaweh is?

In hebrew, there are 72 names of god. Now what name sums them ALL up?

The 216 digit number, that holy of hollies built into EVERY religious building represent's it..?


If you happen to be your own god, you are missing it. Even Moses and Elijah weren't God in essence, even though they both held some of the attributes of God. However, Jesus was... the Father gave Him the Spirit without limit.

The fact that you are willing to downplay, if not outrightly deny, Jesus, is a fruit that suggests that you are of the evil one, and not of God, no matter the language or names you use.

Because I AM not God either, I will have to treat you as Michael treated Satan when they were disputing over the body of Moses... "The Lord rebuke you..." Why? Because only the Lord knows the extent to which you need rebuking, or if you need it at all.

Smiley

Yes.  This.  While I was at lunch it appears the discussion was in good hands.  Thanks BADecker. Smiley

I think that there are some things that are hidden from those that do not have the eyes to see though so perhaps the discussions are futile?   Strange that some are so convinced that they can "see" but are still blind.   May God open the eyes of those reading this to see the truth.  That is my prayer.  

And where is my thanks? It's been in my good hands since the OP asked me to continue.. I nearly left cause o earlier assumptions, but this is what I'm on about in earlier posts.. there are those who's way is the only way, screw everyone else.. now why anyone would join this kind of sect is beyond me.. Tongue
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October 01, 2014, 03:03:42 PM

I'm not in this thread to discuss Jesus, I have nowt aginst him, but this is a thread relating to god?

In Dj'ing, I can make a minute seem like hours.. goin over a bonnet, I have less than 1 second to change the outcome. Bruce Lee taught me how to do so in the UNCUT version of enter the dragon when I was but 8 years old.. watch it, at the beginning, he has a discussion with his teacher, before he is met by the government arrives with his task. This was cut out just for the information it provides Cool

I admire Bruce Lee's capabilities. Yet, all he did was to use controlled panic. Lots of martial arts people do this. I even do it at work at times, but only a little, simply to get a job done faster. So, my fellow workers think that I am really fast, even though I use it only a little. Thanks for the Smiley.

Smiley

Dude, If I were you, I'd shtoom on THE master of martial arts, lest the rest descend upon ya.. he was an amazing teacher, even better wi nunchucks.. google bruce lee playing table tennis with nunchuks.. this was real.. instinctive.. he is GOD in the martial arts world, someone everyone looks up to or is inspired by.

Why?

Watch the video, I suspect you dont quite know fast, though I detect you are hungry..
legendary
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October 01, 2014, 03:01:11 PM
Oh that's right. You have already said that you agree that God exists. I forgot.  Smiley

Just keep in mind, mine is greater, for he does not recognise the devil, for the maths proves they are one and the same. I like to think my god is also the devil, as are we.

I don't have a clue who or what your god is. For all I know, he is the same one as mine is, just seen from a different direction.

The point is, the devil attempted to believe God out of existence. He did it by starting with his own personal thought control. Then he subtly attempted to introduce it into the thinking of people (through Adam and Eve). Well, he can't stop this habit of his, even though God has shown him down through the ages, over and over, that he can't believe God out of existence, and he can't delude all the people all of the time into believing God out of existence.

He knows God exists, in spite of himself.

Smiley

Now that's scary.. you go on about the bible and dont know who yaweh is?

In hebrew, there are 72 names of god. Now what name sums them ALL up?

The 216 digit number, that holy of hollies built into EVERY religious building represent's it..?


If you happen to be your own god, you are missing it. Even Moses and Elijah weren't God in essence, even though they both held some of the attributes of God. However, Jesus was... the Father gave Him the Spirit without limit.

The fact that you are willing to downplay, if not outrightly deny, Jesus, is a fruit that suggests that you are of the evil one, and not of God, no matter the language or names you use.

Because I AM not God either, I will have to treat you as Michael treated Satan when they were disputing over the body of Moses... "The Lord rebuke you..." Why? Because only the Lord knows the extent to which you need rebuking, or if you need it at all.

Smiley

Yes.  This.  While I was at lunch it appears the discussion was in good hands.  Thanks BADecker. Smiley

I think that there are some things that are hidden from those that do not have the eyes to see though so perhaps the discussions are futile?   Strange that some are so convinced that they can "see" but are still blind.   May God open the eyes of those reading this to see the truth.  That is my prayer.  
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 1385
October 01, 2014, 02:56:04 PM

I'm not in this thread to discuss Jesus, I have nowt aginst him, but this is a thread relating to god?

In Dj'ing, I can make a minute seem like hours.. goin over a bonnet, I have less than 1 second to change the outcome. Bruce Lee taught me how to do so in the UNCUT version of enter the dragon when I was but 8 years old.. watch it, at the beginning, he has a discussion with his teacher, before he is met by the government arrives with his task. This was cut out just for the information it provides Cool

I admire Bruce Lee's capabilities. Yet, all he did was to use controlled panic. Lots of martial arts people do this. I even do it at work at times, but only a little, simply to get a job done faster. So, my fellow workers think that I am really fast, even though I use it only a little. Thanks for the Smiley.

Smiley
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October 01, 2014, 02:50:56 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.

Only one problem with this idea. Even if you can be perfect from this point on, you have made mistakes in the past. Those mistakes are, at best, time lost. There's no way anyone can be perfect in the sight of God. Jesus was. God even testified to it.

Smiley

Read your last 3 sentences again Cool

Jesus was man and God, not simply man.  Smiley

There's no way anyone can be perfect in the sight of God.

God even testified to it.

Jesus was?
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October 01, 2014, 02:48:48 PM

Do I look like my own god?

Can't tell. Don't know what yo look like. Do you ever use any smileys?

Allow me to change direction for a mo..

As a kid, I was doin majorette's with two pairs of nunchuks copying brucy baby (bruce lee) and in my lifetime I learnt a plethora of hand weaponry (not guns etc), and in that time, I learnt mastery over the element's using qi gong tai chi.. see? Everything is slowly falling into place..

In my 45th year, exactly seven months to the minute I was hit by a car, cow took a right without indicating, I hit her drivers door, and went over the bonnet, and as I went over that bonnet, I thought I was dead, I gave over to cosmic law, for I am a child of earth and stary heaven. As my friend stated.. mastery over the elements.. cause I shoulda been dead.. now as i flew over the bonnet, I blacked out. The last thing goin through my mind was well, twas nice seein y'all.. I knew what happened, and in the words of my mate, mastery over time. This was nothing to do with the devil. This was God's will pure and simple, if anything.

God is merciful.

Formally denying Jesus as Savior is different than denying Him by simply not knowing about Him. Perhaps God has a good plan for you. Saint Paul was a denier of Jesus. Yet, when he confronted Jesus on the road to Damascus, he changed his ways. So, have you simply received mercy? Or have you been confronted by Jesus, but are still, at least, downplaying Him, if not outrightly denying Him.

Smiley

I'm not in this thread to discuss Jesus, I have nowt aginst him, but this is a thread relating to god?

In Dj'ing, I can make a minute seem like hours.. goin over a bonnet, I have less than 1 second to change the outcome. Bruce Lee taught me how to do so in the UNCUT version of enter the dragon when I was but 8 years old.. watch it, at the beginning, he has a discussion with his teacher, before he is met by the government man who arrives with his task. This was cut out just for the information it provides Cool
legendary
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October 01, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.

Only one problem with this idea. Even if you can be perfect from this point on, you have made mistakes in the past. Those mistakes are, at best, time lost. There's no way anyone can be perfect in the sight of God. Jesus was. God even testified to it.

Smiley

Read your last 3 sentences again Cool

Jesus was man and God, not simply man.  Smiley
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October 01, 2014, 02:43:33 PM
Karma's a bitch Cool
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October 01, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.

Only one problem with this idea. Even if you can be perfect from this point on, you have made mistakes in the past. Those mistakes are, at best, time lost. There's no way anyone can be perfect in the sight of God. Jesus was. God even testified to it.

Smiley

Read your last 3 sentences again Cool
legendary
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Merit: 1385
October 01, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.

Only one problem with this idea. Even if you can be perfect from this point on, you have made mistakes in the past. Those mistakes are, at best, time lost. There's no way anyone can be perfect in the sight of God. Jesus was. God even testified to it.

Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 1385
October 01, 2014, 02:38:23 PM

Do I look like my own god?

Can't tell. Don't know what yo look like. Do you ever use any smileys?

Allow me to change direction for a mo..

As a kid, I was doin majorette's with two pairs of nunchuks copying brucy baby (bruce lee) and in my lifetime I learnt a plethora of hand weaponry (not guns etc), and in that time, I learnt mastery over the element's using qi gong tai chi.. see? Everything is slowly falling into place..

In my 45th year, exactly seven months to the minute I was hit by a car, cow took a right without indicating, I hit her drivers door, and went over the bonnet, and as I went over that bonnet, I thought I was dead, I gave over to cosmic law, for I am a child of earth and stary heaven. As my friend stated.. mastery over the elements.. cause I shoulda been dead.. now as i flew over the bonnet, I blacked out. The last thing goin through my mind was well, twas nice seein y'all.. I knew what happened, and in the words of my mate, mastery over time. This was nothing to do with the devil. This was God's will pure and simple, if anything.

God is merciful.

Formally denying Jesus as Savior is different than denying Him by simply not knowing about Him. Perhaps God has a good plan for you. Saint Paul was a denier of Jesus. Yet, when he confronted Jesus on the road to Damascus, he changed his ways. So, have you simply received mercy? Or have you been confronted by Jesus, but are still, at least, downplaying Him, if not outrightly denying Him.

Smiley
sr. member
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October 01, 2014, 02:36:56 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.

+1
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October 01, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
And it seems that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the salvation that Jesus offers.

Jesus the Christ NEVER established a church on earth, and he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.

There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself.

You will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.
sr. member
Activity: 630
Merit: 250
October 01, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
Oh that's right. You have already said that you agree that God exists. I forgot.  Smiley

Just keep in mind, mine is greater, for he does not recognise the devil, for the maths proves they are one and the same. I like to think my god is also the devil, as are we.

I don't have a clue who or what your god is. For all I know, he is the same one as mine is, just seen from a different direction.

The point is, the devil attempted to believe God out of existence. He did it by starting with his own personal thought control. Then he subtly attempted to introduce it into the thinking of people (through Adam and Eve). Well, he can't stop this habit of his, even though God has shown him down through the ages, over and over, that he can't believe God out of existence, and he can't delude all the people all of the time into believing God out of existence.

He knows God exists, in spite of himself.

Smiley

Now that's scary.. you go on about the bible and dont know who yaweh is?

In hebrew, there are 72 names of god. Now what name sums them ALL up?

The 216 digit number, that holy of hollies built into EVERY religious building represent's it..?


If you happen to be your own god, you are missing it. Even Moses and Elijah weren't God in essence, even though they both held some of the attributes of God. However, Jesus was... the Father gave Him the Spirit without limit.

The fact that you are willing to downplay, if not outrightly deny, Jesus, is a fruit that suggests that you are of the evil one, and not of God, no matter the language or names you use.

Because I AM not God either, I will have to treat you as Michael treated Satan when they were disputing over the body of Moses... "The Lord rebuke you..." Why? Because only the Lord knows the extent to which you need rebuking, or if you need it at all.

Smiley

Do I look like my own god?

Allow me to change direction for a mo..

As a kid, I was doin majorette's with two pairs of nunchuks copying brucy baby (bruce lee) and in my lifetime I learnt a plethora of hand weaponry (not guns etc), and in that time, I learnt mastery over the element's using qi gong tai chi.. see? Everything is slowly falling into place..

In my 45th year, exactly seven months to the minute I was hit by a car, cow took a right without indicating, I hit her drivers door, and went over the bonnet, and as I went over that bonnet, I thought I was dead, I gave over to cosmic law, for I am a child of earth and stary heaven. As my friend stated.. mastery over the elements.. cause I shoulda been dead.. now as i flew over the bonnet, I blacked out. The last thing goin through my mind was well, twas nice seein y'all.. I knew what happened, and in the words of my mate, mastery over time. This was nothing to do with the devil. This was God's will pure and simple, if anything.
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 1385
October 01, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Oh that's right. You have already said that you agree that God exists. I forgot.  Smiley

Just keep in mind, mine is greater, for he does not recognise the devil, for the maths proves they are one and the same. I like to think my god is also the devil, as are we.

I don't have a clue who or what your god is. For all I know, he is the same one as mine is, just seen from a different direction.

The point is, the devil attempted to believe God out of existence. He did it by starting with his own personal thought control. Then he subtly attempted to introduce it into the thinking of people (through Adam and Eve). Well, he can't stop this habit of his, even though God has shown him down through the ages, over and over, that he can't believe God out of existence, and he can't delude all the people all of the time into believing God out of existence.

He knows God exists, in spite of himself.

Smiley

Now that's scary.. you go on about the bible and dont know who yaweh is?

In hebrew, there are 72 names of god. Now what name sums them ALL up?

The 216 digit number, that holy of hollies built into EVERY religious building represent's it..?


If you happen to be your own god, you are missing it. Even Moses and Elijah weren't God in essence, even though they both held some of the attributes of God. However, Jesus was... the Father gave Him the Spirit without limit.

The fact that you are willing to downplay, if not outrightly deny, Jesus, is a fruit that suggests that you are of the evil one, and not of God, no matter the language or names you use.

Because I AM not God either, I will have to treat you as Michael treated Satan when they were disputing over the body of Moses... "The Lord rebuke you..." Why? Because only the Lord knows the extent to which you need rebuking, or if you need it at all.

Smiley
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