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October 06, 2014, 11:39:53 PM
All we have guaranteed is this life

You are saying that there is no guarantee of an afterlife. How do you know that?

You can have what you want, if you will only go after it.

If you don’t give up, your success is inevitable.

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.” ― Henry Ford
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October 06, 2014, 11:36:34 PM

That following:

What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley
Your question assumes it's reasonable to make considerations in accordance with an inevitability of death. As the original question posed, how is that reasonable? Why is it reasonable to make a consideration for its relation to death? What matter is that, death, that one would proceed unto any consideration about it?

(Your implied concern is characteristic of "dust." [Your avoidance of explicit provision of backing evidences that yet more.])

I don't know for sure which question you are asking. In addition, it seems like you are using an online translator to convert your language to English before you post it. What I mean is, the questions are not of a form that I understand clearly. If you can state the question in common American English, I might make a stab at answering. It might be simply my fault that I don't understand, but the fact is, I don't understand.

Please restate the question.

Smiley
That Imperial English was Americanized.

Is "That Imperial English was Americanized" the question? If it is, I don't understand what answer you are looking for. If it isn't, please restate the question, because I don't understand what the question is.

Smiley
Instead of that former, answer that following: "What makes 'death' significant?"
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 11:33:42 PM

That following:

What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley
Your question assumes it's reasonable to make considerations in accordance with an inevitability of death. As the original question posed, how is that reasonable? Why is it reasonable to make a consideration for its relation to death? What matter is that, death, that one would proceed unto any consideration about it?

(Your implied concern is characteristic of "dust." [Your avoidance of explicit provision of backing evidences that yet more.])

I don't know for sure which question you are asking. In addition, it seems like you are using an online translator to convert your language to English before you post it. What I mean is, the questions are not of a form that I understand clearly. If you can state the question in common American English, I might make a stab at answering. It might be simply my fault that I don't understand, but the fact is, I don't understand.

Please restate the question.

Smiley
That Imperial English was Americanized.

Is "That Imperial English was Americanized" the question? If it is, I don't understand what answer you are looking for. If it isn't, please restate the question, because I don't understand what the question is.

Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 11:30:50 PM

That following:

What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley
Your question assumes it's reasonable to make considerations in accordance with an inevitability of death. As the original question posed, how is that reasonable? Why is it reasonable to make a consideration for its relation to death? What matter is that, death, that one would proceed unto any consideration about it?

(Your implied concern is characteristic of "dust." [Your avoidance of explicit provision of backing evidences that yet more.])

I don't know for sure which question you are asking. In addition, it seems like you are using an online translator to convert your language to English before you post it. What I mean is, the questions are not of a form that I understand clearly. If you can state the question in common American English, I might make a stab at answering. It might be simply my fault that I don't understand, but the fact is, I don't understand.

Please restate the question.

Smiley
That Imperial English was Americanized.
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 11:28:14 PM

That following:

What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley
Your question assumes it's reasonable to make considerations in accordance with an inevitability of death. As the original question posed, how is that reasonable? Why is it reasonable to make a consideration for its relation to death? What matter is that, death, that one would proceed unto any consideration about it?

(Your implied concern is characteristic of "dust." [Your avoidance of explicit provision of backing evidences that yet more.])

I don't know for sure which question you are asking. In addition, it seems like you are using an online translator to convert your language to English before you post it. What I mean is, the questions are not of a form that I understand clearly. If you can state the question in common American English, I might make a stab at answering. It might be simply my fault that I don't understand, but the fact is, I don't understand.

Please restate the question.

Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 11:23:24 PM

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley

I don't profess to know anything, you do. I'm agnostic remember. Wink

My best guess at the moment is that our conscious mind is a beneficial tool for survival and propogation of our genome. That in itself to me is beautiful and poetic and gives meaning to my life, that I am merely a small link in a much bigger chain and we are all connected from an information perspective. The religious books are all written quite tyranically, as if the reason for their writing was to cause man to fear one another.

To me "emergence" has much more poetic beauty than "creation", plans and blueprints, so linear and synthetic. And then who created the creator etc etc.

Of course if evidence were presented to me that would suggest otherwise then I would be quick to change my opinion, I keep an open mind. For example we all might get a popup window in our vision tomorrow saying "you are in a simulation", if that happend then it's something one would just have to deal with.
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October 06, 2014, 11:15:26 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
I asked you a direct question earlier, and you still have not answered it.

Who are you talking to?  Smiley
Whomever posts as "BADecker."

What was the question? I miss or ignore some sometimes.  Smiley

That following:

What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley
Your question assumes it's reasonable to make considerations in accordance with an inevitability of death. As the original question posed, how is that reasonable? Why is it reasonable to make a consideration for its relation to death? What matter is that, death, that one would proceed unto any consideration about it?

(Your implied concern is characteristic of "dust." [Your avoidance of explicit provision of backing evidences that yet more.])
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 11:13:47 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
I asked you a direct question earlier, and you still have not answered it.

Who are you talking to?  Smiley
Whomever posts as "BADecker."

What was the question? I miss or ignore some sometimes.  Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 11:11:51 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
I asked you a direct question earlier, and you still have not answered it.

Who are you talking to?  Smiley
Whomever posts as "BADecker."
legendary
Activity: 3906
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October 06, 2014, 11:09:21 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
I asked you a direct question earlier, and you still have not answered it.

Who are you talking to?  Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 11:00:33 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
I asked you a direct question earlier, and you still have not answered it.
legendary
Activity: 3906
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October 06, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).

How do you know that their souls have not just been implanted from God, into their bodies, any time all the way back to conception? Implanting, not formation.

Smiley
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Activity: 238
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October 06, 2014, 10:54:16 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley

That's one thing I know for sure, having watched my children being born with my own two eyes.

Souls are  forming as we speak, and those pure little nippers, you say they are lost. I say they see the clearest the moment they are born in a pure feral state, from that point on it's alot of nonsense, language, books and other such nonsense. But it can be fun (if you choose the right books).
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
October 06, 2014, 10:48:50 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?


That's a guess, isn't it, that souls will be formed in the future?

I contend that all the souls have been formed, and that the reason that God has not moved this creation into Heaven long ago is, if He had, there wouldn't have been time for the souls to live and believe in Him. Most would be lost. So, this life is for giving the souls that have been created a chance to be saved.

Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 10:41:28 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?

Many souls will be formed in the future, better than us, let go, everything's ok.

But still keep being the nice person you are  Smiley, you don't need a book for that do you? you feel it inside without needing a rule book, you feel empathy right?

I wouldn't call death "annihilationism" not if you have kids, we are an expression of our DNA which is very old with much learning in it.
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October 06, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?
You do not gnash when burning unto nothing?

(My other question has gone unanswered.)
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 10:19:52 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.

There are just too many warnings in the Bible to support annihilationism.  Repeatedly in the Bible Jesus says that those that do not accept Him will be thrown into the blazing fire and that there will be the gnashing of teeth.  Does this sound like human's souls just cease to exist?
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October 06, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  
What is significant about torture such that consideration of its extent and duration should be entertained?

At least when we are tortured on earth we have an escape:  death.  Depending on the extent of the torture death could actually be welcomed.  However, we are warned that in hell there will be no such escape.  I would think that kind of "torture" is much more significant.  To wish to die but not be able to?  To be chained in darkness with no escape ever?   When I think of death or even persecution the thing that comes to mind is this verse: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
 
That does not explain how being tortured is, itself, something one ought consider.

(P.s., your faltering in doing so reveals your "dust.")
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls. 
What is significant about torture such that consideration of its extent and duration should be entertained?

At least when we are tortured on earth we have an escape:  death.  Depending on the extent of the torture death could actually be welcomed.  However, we are warned that in hell there will be no such escape.  I would think that kind of "torture" is much more significant.  To wish to die but not be able to?  To be chained in darkness with no escape ever?   When I think of death or even persecution the thing that comes to mind is this verse: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
 
sr. member
Activity: 378
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Knowledge could but approximate existence.
October 06, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
What matter is torture? What matter is death?

Concern proving evident within your post are those of beast and man and, therefore, are hailed of nothing exceeding them.

Or as Solomon said, "Everything is meaningless."

After all, we die, and we haven't seen anyone come back to real life without re-dying sometime in the near future after he became alive again. The exception, of course, is Jesus, who arose from the dead within the 3 days after death, and then, 40 days later, ascended into Heaven, alive.

So, what is the benefit of writing anything or doing anything in life? We lose it all anyway, at death, right?

Smiley

But death matters because death is not the end and if the Bible is true (and I believe it to be based on many things proving it to be so) the end result of not seriously considering the consequences of death could be eternal torture.  In reality I believe that nothing matters more than considering our eternal souls.  

eternity...? you too greedy! let the children eat.
Indeed, they fail to consider annihilationism and other such theorizations.
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