Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 478. (Read 845477 times)

Actually, Jesus didn't suffer and die only for people. Mankind were originally given the authority for this universe. The universe is one; anything done on earth affects the whole thing. Jesus died to hold the whole universe in place. He could do it because He is God, the Son of God.

The underlying law that the whole universe is based on is, love God above all things. The second is love your neighbor as yourself. When God came as man in the form of Jesus, the only way to uphold the two great laws was to die. Why? Because mankind would have died from their breaking of the fundamental laws that hold the whole universe together. Why did Jesus rise in the resurrection? Because His love for God wouldn't allow the creation to be destroyed.

The most amazing miracle is that Jesus is God and man at the same time. Jesus has combined man and God, thereby making mankind into God along with God. Because of this, the two great laws - loving God above all things, and loving your neighbor as yourself - have taken on a whole new meaning. Man has become limitless because of the love of God.

The interesting thing is that God can do anything. Man as god, therefore, has the ability to deny his position as god. Atheists do this. They will be tossed into the lake of fire, simply because that is what they have will for themselves.

Matter and anti-matter are simply some infantile thinkings that scientists will grow out of if people happen to last for another 500 years.

Where the heck do you get this from?



Actually, it can, and has. We theorized that it popped into existence spontaneously. But then, how can you have something out of nothing? So we theorized that there must have been just as much matter as antimatter in the universe, so that if you sum it all together, it would still equal zero. The sum of the universe is nothing, we are just living on one part of it. Then by observing through telescopes, we found that, yep, there's about as much matter as antimatter in the universe. But then how can such a pop into existence just happen spontaneously? Is that even possible. Turns out, yep. when we were doing Large Hadron Collider experiments, we observed just those exact spontaneous pops into existence on a quantum level. Apparently these types of pops, and even black holes, are spontaneously popping into existence all around us constantly. It's just that since there is already a universe here, they quickly react with their surroundings and fizzle out. So pretty much everything about the origin of the universe was already deduced, and evidence for it observed, making the idea of "god" not even necessary for the universe's creation. Universe has all the mechanisms necessary to just create itself.

Really sorry to say this BADecker, but the pyramid is over 64.000 years old. This itself kills all notions of the bible having any accuracy at all. Now if the bible was an analogy of a 'new' creation of an 'old' world order, or the one going out now kinda thing, then it may gain a bit strength, but the fact the sphinx is at least 10 times older than the pyramid.. I mean there are pyramids beneath japan's sea, that defy all claims made by any bible that creation was what, less than 10.000 years ago? Unacceptable to any decent thinker who has studied pyramids all over the world, albeit from a pc.. There are human remains that are far older too, so, for me, the bible is a load of croc, and dangerous at that.. I do accept there is some kinda guiding hand 'upstairs' that can be perceived in the guise of diety, but cannot accept any miracle claimed in the bible as being commited by one man.

Moses listening to a burnin bush, and even having a conversation with it.. people get locked up for that.. in truth the story of moses in a basket is the actual journey depicted over the land of egypt, I mentioned earlier in star maps.. Jesus coming back to life after 3 days of being dead. Twice. (crimbo and easter, same story)

I'd surprise many with the amount of knowledge I've gleaned from a book I've never read.. but then you'd have to go through the experience of dying to know that if you read a book, I do not need to, for the universal collective conciousnous in my opinion, is the evidence of that god. When I need information from the book you read, it will come to me as ordained by that god via the collective conciousnous or the ALL?

So I think it's safe to assume that we KNOW a DIETY exists of higher intelligence, that can create itself before anything else can ever exist, for if he is not himself created, then he cannot create, correct?

Yet the overall picture is more evidence that God exists. Why? Because people all over the world have gods. In other words, they realize that there is a God. They simply don't have the correct info about Him.

The first two chapters of the Bible may have been handed down right from Adam, who might have written them sometime within the first 930 years after the creation (creation 6,000 years ago; Adam's age at death > 930 years). If they weren't, they were originally written by someone who had recited the information, someone prior to Moses.

Back in those days, when the earth was young, people had good memories, easily a hundred times better than we generally have today. They didn't need books, because info could be passed down, father to son, in exact form, without making any mistakes. But as time went on, as entropy increased, and memories started to be more like they are today, God realized that the record would be lost. So He commissioned Moses to start the writing down of the basics of creation, the general history of the world up to the time of Moses, the beginnings of His favored people, the nation of Israel. Then others were commissioned with recording the history of Israel over the years after the time of Moses.

This whole Bible was written so that people would have a clearer picture of God, so that there would be a place that the nations of the world could go to find out about the God that they know exists, even though they don't know the details about Him. The same is true for the atheists. The atheists can go to the Bible to find out about the true God, rather than simply believing the false god that they believe in.

What!? I thought atheists were people who believe that there isn't any god. So how can you say that they believe in a god? Here's how. Without realizing what they have done, atheists have set their info up as something greater than God's info. This means that they are greater (at least in their own minds) than God. They have effectively set themselves up as god above the Great God Who created everything, simply by denying the truth. Because of this, atheists are some of the most miserable of all the false god believers. They don't even have a hazy picture of the god they believe in. The more primitive peoples at least have idols that they envision God to be like.

Oh fuck, there's someone who has the same albeit different (thank fuck) stand point I have.. ouch..

Totally agree with your last paragraph.. sorry i dont do external links from site's I visit, ya never know where they end up..

God may exist, but the "god" of the religions we have throughout the world, does not. They differ so wildy in beliefs(polytheism, monotheism, etc and the people of those religion will all argue for theirs only. So that means, that the true God is either a collective of All religions on earth, or in none of the religions we have today)

Read this article....http://www.alternet.org/story/154774/the_top_10_reasons_i_don%27t_believe_in_god?page=0%2C3

500 years ago, everything "explained" by religion was false, and is now explained by science. (They believed earth was flat, geocentric model, etc)

500 years from now, everything that religious people believe as "miracles" or "fact", will be explained by science.



There's only one thing that can't be explained, and that's the origin of the universe itself. That's why I believe in an all encompassing being, "God", but definitely not the god of any religions known today, and they've all been proved wrong.

Kl, thankls, but I've probably collected them all in the 90's before many were removed from online by google, which is no longer a search engine, but a shite catalouge of masonic/jewish brands..

Here's a very weird fact: The first rite of initiation was held in the pyramid 64.000 years ago, ok, I know, I said that several times. What is more interesting is the rite in question, is today claimed by freemasons as 'evidence' of their existance before even the bible, for they claim it is a masonic ritual, under the guise of the rite of mithras. But freemasons are gullible fools, who clearly believe that after their initiation into the mysteries, they are told the truth and nothing but..

Wait a minute.. if the rite of mithras is masonic, and the masons are older than the bible, how come all the masonic so called 'secret' passwords are all, incidently, from the bible?

Or is this where the (plethora of) bible(s) came from?

Now we're getting into territory that finally looks to preceding events we CAN trace, and with facts that can be found anywhere.. gimme dem factual books, but please omit the masonic ones, meaning written by anyone with their form of education.. or should that be elucidation lol..

Hey, you should PM me if you are interested in factual books.
Same goes for anyone else in this thread.

 

Neither the whole nor that part you assume proves thus composed.

Show me a single person in this thread you can prove is all emotional, considering all you are reading is written by scripting bots.. just like the stock exchange..

Relax? Give christians a chance and they'll kill anything.. relax? I prefer books of facts.. like I said, why is it only bible bashers talking about their perspectives on their chosen books characters as if they actually existed? I agree Religious books are nowt but a bunch of morals dictated by the morality police, or as I call them, interfering basteards.. and after 120 years you will come back.. just in another body, another family, another country.. what you kill in this life you become in the next blah blah..

I knew it! Goat is Jesus! 

People are afraid of what they don't know/understand and are reacting emotionally. Classic.

Perfect order is rather dull, and pure chaos is rather dull. Life dances between the two extremes as does the entire universe.

Our beautiful star Sol pushes life up the entropy hill, other stars in other systems will undoubtably be doing the same.

Sol is a good enough source for me, I Love Sol and I don't need a middle man to appreciate Sol. People tend to forget how important our star is.

Geez.  Relax dude.  The Bible is just a book of stories.  The Koran is also just a book of stories.  Why can't you (and others) simply enjoy the stories, take in the lessons learned, not read it LITERALLY and enjoy life.  Don't get so worked up.  Life is too short (unless your religion believes in reincarnation). 

Most here relate god to jesus, this is not the question, and a problem. The question is proof of god, not any character in a book called the bible. Why are there not as many other religions commenting? Cause they dont do your head in with make believe stories from the youngest book in religious history, and prefer to just know without forcing their religious writings on people who simply wish to question for the reason best fits their search..?

Maybe go read the Kybalion or sumat more REAL!

So why is it unfair that god (Jesus) suffered for the thing he himself created? If I give you a gun, and you accidentally shoot and wound yourself, and then in turn I take my own gun and shoot myself in the foot, is it unfair that I ended up  getting shot because you got shot? And does that fix your wound? That whole "dying for our sins" thing makes no sense whatsoever. Just like blaming all the actions of murderers and rapists on a goat, taking the goat out of town, and killing it (a completely idiotic ancient practice that inspired the story of Jesus).

Ps, Jesus's great great great great great (how many times is it?) ancestor is a whore by the shore over the water, in the kingdom of fife, lol...

The problem for me with regards to god is the fact that 'god' denotes a greater or higher intelligence than man, proving life beyond our planet, that not only existed before everything else, but will be, when all is gone into the darkness once the last light fades.

So you either accept that there is indeed life 'out there' beyond our comprehension, but alive, meaning 'alien' of sort's, or we on this wee ball are it, period.

With regards to the parting of the red sea.. there would also be remnants of the tidal surge along the entire coast(s) of the red sea, written of in books far NEWER than the bible, in the form of tsunami etc, like the plethora of roman soldiers remains, the remains of horses.. how many horses would be to a carriage? 1, 2, 3, 4 even. Lets assume it's a time of war, it's safe to assume that if any at all, there would only be a few chariots pulled by 1 or 2 horses, at least one of which, whose remains would still be attached to the carriage, allowing for ANY tests. Of course only the wood was found.. I wont go into how many fishing village's would have been wiped out by the sheer mass of water, (no historical event depicts this) and again, the surge of water as it returned would in itself 'echo' so many times, someone would have written of it in any other way, other than a bible.

I'd like to see proof the bible was written when claimed.

I'd also like the bible bashers who think that ANY story from the bible is a genuine 'proof' for the existance of god, to stop preaching. This is a scientific search, for proof of god, not a lets decide which holy book gets more coverage.

NOTHING in the bible can be proven. (excluding the occult mathematics etc.. )