Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?

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Quote from: HelliumZ on September 25, 2024, 03:14:44 PM

Participating in gambling is a personal right of an ordinary citizen and it is certainly not a moral right to prevent anyone from this right or not to participate. If someone is mentally unstable and wants to participate in gambling, there is no way to stop him. Yes, but if someone is likely to be harmed by that mentally unstable person in a physical casino or gambling, they may not be allowed to participate in gambling for safety reasons. However, since online casino and gambling do not require physical presence, anyone can participate in this gambling even if they are mentally unstable or mentally disordered.

In my opinion, if I’m the manager of a betting company and have a mentally unstable person gambling at my casino, I’ll have to stop him because, he might be gambling irresponsibly due to his condition and money to be used for something else could be used to gamble. According to right, he can choose to gamble as long as he is above the age of 18 but. But I can let a mentally unstable person whom I’m not sure is fully responsible for some of his actions gamble at the office I manage. He can gamble somewhere else but I won’t let that.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on September 25, 2024, 03:14:44 PM

Participating in gambling is a personal right of an ordinary citizen and it is certainly not a moral right to prevent anyone from this right or not to participate. If someone is mentally unstable and wants to participate in gambling, there is no way to stop him. Yes, but if someone is likely to be harmed by that mentally unstable person in a physical casino or gambling, they may not be allowed to participate in gambling for safety reasons. However, since online casino and gambling do not require physical presence, anyone can participate in this gambling even if they are mentally unstable or mentally disordered.

Although everything depends on each person but it would be better when we are aware of the conditions we have. When we are in a difficult situation where your mentality is not too stable, especially when taking action, it would be better for us to try not to gamble because in the end it will make yourself even more confused with defeat because you cannot maintain your emotions.

Gambling should be used as one of the things to make you comfortable regardless of the results whether you lose or win this is a game to make us better from the hustle and bustle of work or situations that make you tired. But most actually make it as if this is a burden because they think gambling is only for victory so that when the expectations that are carried out do not match the expectations that occur make them more stressed and their mentality is getting worse. Always look at your own capacity because after all, gambling can be done by anyone but not everyone can be responsible for what they do in the end.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on September 25, 2024, 03:14:44 PM

Participating in gambling is a personal right of an ordinary citizen and it is certainly not a moral right to prevent anyone from this right or not to participate. If someone is mentally unstable and wants to participate in gambling, there is no way to stop him. Yes, but if someone is likely to be harmed by that mentally unstable person in a physical casino or gambling, they may not be allowed to participate in gambling for safety reasons. However, since online casino and gambling do not require physical presence, anyone can participate in this gambling even if they are mentally unstable or mentally disordered.

Obviously, a person with disorders will not even be allowed into the casino, and if they notice that he is inadequately behaving - he will simply be removed from the institution that he would not prevent others from spending time there, because he can really spoil their experience. As for online casinos, there is certainly one plus for such people - they can behave as they want and no one will see it, plus they will continue to play, no one will not make a remark to them

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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected
Infact In ideal societies people with mental health related problem is not permitted to take part in critical decision making matters of that country like election

The question we need to ask is that how is this going to work? Is it that goverment we start checking people who go to gambling shops to bet. What about those who gamble online how is it going to be possible to check them. I think people who even go through mental health issues, it is even difficult for some other persons to know they are going through such challenge.

Those who are having mental health issues can only avoid gambling by themselves and not by anyone or the government. Gambling is just like every other substance, if you think it is not good for you and it is affecting your health, no one can stop you from gambling but only you can make a decision to stop gambling.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on September 25, 2024, 12:45:21 PM

If the government should come up with laws prohibiting mentally unstable people from gambling, I hope we still tell the same government to prohibit mentally unstable persons from moving on the same road with us, not being in the same market with us, not eating or drinking water the same way we do.

One thing I know about what involves general public usage is that it has no restrictions or whatever. Everyone is allowed to get in with it, so long as they are not harassing anyone or creating havoc in society.

The government doesn't like getting involved especially when it comes to gambling, the only problem I see the government is concerned with is the 18-plus policy because the government should find out about any violation of that law then the shop owner is going to be serious trouble because it is placed policy, and if anyone is unstable then it is a personal decision they need to make for them self when you know you are unstable then why should you be gambling because. that same individual should be focusing on how they find themselves instead of gambling, another thing is that if their mental case is that serious then the individual should be focusing on their mental misbehaving, to get their sanity back, they can decide if they want to continue or not. and if they are under any supervision, then they will not or should be allowed not gamble, because gambling will drive them crazy the more so they just have to abstain to get back their sanity.

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Ordinarily, people who mentally unstable are considered to be incapable of making certain decisions for themselves, just like children or minors are also considered that way. And according to the law in my country, these set of people (mentally disturbed and minors) are incapable of entering into any form of contract and any contract they eventually enter is considered null and void. And like we know, gambling is like some sort of a contract where people who are capable of making financial decisions for themselves are allowed to enter. So since there’s a law that restricts mentally disturbed fellows and minors from entering into any form of contract, I believe this law also restricts the mentally disturbed from gambling, just the same way minors are restricted from getting involved into any form of gambling activities, since they’re both considered to be incapable of making informed decisions for themselves.

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Participating in gambling is a personal right of an ordinary citizen and it is certainly not a moral right to prevent anyone from this right or not to participate. If someone is mentally unstable and wants to participate in gambling, there is no way to stop him. Yes, but if someone is likely to be harmed by that mentally unstable person in a physical casino or gambling, they may not be allowed to participate in gambling for safety reasons. However, since online casino and gambling do not require physical presence, anyone can participate in this gambling even if they are mentally unstable or mentally disordered.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

It's quite obvious already that the question initially has its answer.First of all,mentally unstable people; secondly, should or shouldn't gamble.
Not all individuals are mentally stable after all ,and it's not everybody that should gamble.
Honestly, trying to restrict unstable people from doing things they enjoy,crave and are addict's to would include more wreckages and incure more damages to the mental health and capacity.
Mentally unstable people are not just the ones that have brain problem or disability,some people are not just born into a good and favourable mental health state.Whereas they're prone to experiencing difficulty in concentrating, living in extreme disability to cope with the normal life and make simple decisions.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

In essence, when he does not do negative actions then of course there is no obligation to prohibit him, unless the person makes a mess or other negative things that make other users uncomfortable then maybe the casino will also prohibit him. But anyway, the reality is that so far the person is fine and the people around him and even the casino workers do not feel uncomfortable, so there is no need for you to judge badly just because the person is not neat as you mean. After all, it is better for someone who looks bad but lives peacefully, than someone who looks neat but does negative actions when he loses gambling, and that is worse.

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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected

If the government should come up with laws prohibiting mentally unstable people from gambling, I hope we still tell the same government to prohibit mentally unstable persons from moving on the same road with us, not being in the same market with us, not eating or drinking water the same way we do.

One thing I know about what involves general public usage is that it has no restrictions or whatever. Everyone is allowed to get in with it, so long as they are not harassing anyone or creating havoc in society.

That's a great answer.

When people demand restrictions to be imposed on a group of people it looks simple and easy to do, but when you get into details, who's going to decide if you're ill or not? There are many undiagnosed addicts, so only those who go to seek medical attention get to be restricted? Who's going to check their papers. We don't get a document saying we are not mentally ill, it's the other way round. So, how are they going to check this? By asking people if they are not mentally unstable? 99% of them will say they are not. Cheesy

This is why it doesnt make no sense if we do really try out to impose on whatever restriction that would be put out on which when it comes into this aspect or has been mentioned that there's no way that you could be able to directly spot out on a certain individual whose really that mentally ill and just like on what you've said that people will really be just that simple reject or deny that theyre not on the moment that you would
be trying out to ask. Also, who the heck will really be having that courage on asking someone that they are mentally ill? Pretty sure as a staff then you would really be putting up yourself into some trouble. Why?
We do know that each person is different when it comes to traits or behavior on which there are really that too sensitive on things even on hearing out some words that arent pleasant to them.
This is why on the moment that they'll be asked on something then you do really know that it could really be resulted into those non good reaction.

People are really that good when it comes into hiding on whatever bad behavior they would be having. Or even lets say that there are even people who dont even know that they are on such state
on which they are really that mentally ill and this is something a fact.

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I think you have to be pretty careful when limiting the rights of people based on how others perceive them. For example, I think that anyone who would vote for a political party that is encouraging kids to change their gender are mentally unstable. Does that mean we need to start limiting the rights of Kamala Harris supporters? No.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on September 25, 2024, 12:45:21 PM

Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected

If the government should come up with laws prohibiting mentally unstable people from gambling, I hope we still tell the same government to prohibit mentally unstable persons from moving on the same road with us, not being in the same market with us, not eating or drinking water the same way we do.

One thing I know about what involves general public usage is that it has no restrictions or whatever. Everyone is allowed to get in with it, so long as they are not harassing anyone or creating havoc in society.

That's a great answer.

When people demand restrictions to be imposed on a group of people it looks simple and easy to do, but when you get into details, who's going to decide if you're ill or not? There are many undiagnosed addicts, so only those who go to seek medical attention get to be restricted? Who's going to check their papers. We don't get a document saying we are not mentally ill, it's the other way round. So, how are they going to check this? By asking people if they are not mentally unstable? 99% of them will say they are not. Cheesy

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Quote from: bakasabo on September 25, 2024, 08:37:53 AM

But everyone is allowed to have fun. As well as casinos are not specialists to make diagnosis or evaluate people. Mentally unstable people can have a special budget, that they are allowed to spend how they want. Should that stop them from being able to gamble?

And how do you want to take it to government level and make laws? You want casinos to hire special people to check visitors mental stability or ask them to provide a documents that they are ok? Then how do you separate those who need to provide such document because they are mentally unstable from those who are stable? There is no answer, you have to check every single visitor. And I am afraid, mentally stable people wont accept such special document check-up. Just imagine that you need to have a document, that will allow you to gamble, even though you a regular, default, mentally stable person. That is going to be humiliating.

The gambler who had less stable mind will need to fix the amount which they going to use for the gambling.Everyone are allowed to have fun,but the problem is that the gambler who get addicted to gambling will play the game with the all holding money.So the gambler who can’t control their mind in the gambling site should do set into the gambling site.The loss of money can’t be recovered in the gambling site,but the gamblers will keep on playing the game to recover the old loss in the gambling site.But the fact is they will never understand the algorithm of the gambling and keep loss of money in the same gambling site.

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Quote from: Insanity on September 25, 2024, 12:28:48 PM

OP morally I'd say mentally and physically unstable people should be advised not to gamble. But gambling boards never consider who is mentally and physically ill or healthy when it comes to gambling. Basically, gambling boards always work with the goal of increasing customers. And I think gambling is completely personal freedom, everyone can enjoy the joy of gambling. The person you encountered may be a gambling addict. There are many sick people who are addicted to such gambling, they get rid of the restlessness of mind by gambling. Thank you OP

Gambling is supposed to be fun and people may not know whether a person is mentally ill or not especially when gambling online.
People that are mentally challenged should be taken care of with strict measures to make sure that they don't go back to gambling especially when such kind of person is a chronic gambler. Making money is the goal but their is need for us to understand what we are meant to do especially in a time that is crucial for urgent attention. Mentally unstable people are not meant to gamble because they can easily become addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected

If the government should come up with laws prohibiting mentally unstable people from gambling, I hope we still tell the same government to prohibit mentally unstable persons from moving on the same road with us, not being in the same market with us, not eating or drinking water the same way we do.

One thing I know about what involves general public usage is that it has no restrictions or whatever. Everyone is allowed to get in with it, so long as they are not harassing anyone or creating havoc in society.

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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected
Infact In ideal societies people with mental health related problem is not permitted to take part in critical decision making matters of that country like election

The answer to this query is very simple, if the mentally unstable people are not allowed to do other things that require the presence of mind, then how come they are allowed to gamble or even think that they should be allowed Huh

Gambling is not as simple as it seems and it requires a lot of mental strength and a person need to take quick promotion decisions and not get influenced by good or bad results. All these things plus the involvement of money makes it. It’s definitely a nuanced topic!

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OP morally I'd say mentally and physically unstable people should be advised not to gamble. But gambling boards never consider who is mentally and physically ill or healthy when it comes to gambling. Basically, gambling boards always work with the goal of increasing customers. And I think gambling is completely personal freedom, everyone can enjoy the joy of gambling. The person you encountered may be a gambling addict. There are many sick people who are addicted to such gambling, they get rid of the restlessness of mind by gambling. Thank you OP

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Quote from: michellee on September 25, 2024, 10:07:36 AM

It is easy if society know that people but some people will not be recognize to be unstable mentally because they can act like normal people. I guess casino can prohibit people with unstable mental gambling in their casino but still, that will not easy to recognize them.

They will know when that people doing something unusual thing in their casino so they can brought them to a room or let them to send to rehabilitation center. It should be given a concern from the government to these people with mental health related issues and not let them doing something that can harm other people including not let them playing gambling.

Let them play to their heart's content. Why would a casino suddenly prohibit the mentally unstable from playing? None of the admins monitor players. Everything happens automatically and there is no point in doing this if the person brings in a constant income.

Gentlemen, where has your logic gone? And why, in fact, did you come to such conclusions? Everyone has their own approach to the matter.

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Quote from: michellee on September 25, 2024, 10:07:36 AM

Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected
Infact In ideal societies people with mental health related problem is not permitted to take part in critical decision making matters of that country like election

It is easy if society know that people but some people will not be recognize to be unstable mentally because they can act like normal people. I guess casino can prohibit people with unstable mental gambling in their casino but still, that will not easy to recognize them.

I am also thinking the same way. I mean, everyone looks completely normal, unless if it's too obvious they're not (like a person who does not act normal). Outside from that consideration, there's no way we can identify a person who has mental challenges until we talk to them. But, who wants to talk to strangers anyway? lol.
If by any chance the casino identifies one, the right thing to do for the casino is to assist that person all the time while he's inside the premise. They could not just kick the person out irrespectively. However, they should not encourage that person to put more bets, trying to take advantage of his mental incapability.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 25, 2024, 09:37:30 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Some attendant might get scared or something and create a scene of that such.. and even from your explanation the man might not even be mentally unstable but probably broke and ratcheted. Not everyone who looks dirty and unkept are mental. Some are just fine but suffering from depression. Literally I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to gamble. If they have money and can place the bet then why not. Being mental doesn't actually remove ones right from reality, it one removes you from the public as every one sees you not fit to live with. So if he can still gamble then he shouldn't be deprived of a chance to.

Everyone will experience the same thing as the person OP explained, when there is no control, even if the person makes an appointment in shabby clothes, it doesn't necessarily mean they are mentally disturbed. Maybe that person has had some unexplained factors happen that make him pretend like that. I also haven't found out the rules for gambling. Whoever has to look good, but those who have money can gamble wherever they want.
Appearance is not an obstacle to joining a game in a casino when there is an opportunity, it must be realized until it becomes a reality, the most important thing is that mental disorders must be protected as much as possible.

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