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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected
Infact In ideal societies people with mental health related problem is not permitted to take part in critical decision making matters of that country like election

It is easy if society know that people but some people will not be recognize to be unstable mentally because they can act like normal people. I guess casino can prohibit people with unstable mental gambling in their casino but still, that will not easy to recognize them.

They will know when that people doing something unusual thing in their casino so they can brought them to a room or let them to send to rehabilitation center. It should be given a concern from the government to these people with mental health related issues and not let them doing something that can harm other people including not let them playing gambling.

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Quote from: uche6215 on September 25, 2024, 08:00:54 AM

Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected

It will quite be difficult because some mentally ill people are hard to identify and sometimes when you try to make them stay away from something that will affect their mental state they become so rude and violent especially those that has partial mental issues because they will be claiming that they are okay and there is no way that mentally unstable people can be checked on how they go about life activities all the time except those that are held hostage either by their families or the government.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Some attendant might get scared or something and create a scene of that such.. and even from your explanation the man might not even be mentally unstable but probably broke and ratcheted. Not everyone who looks dirty and unkept are mental. Some are just fine but suffering from depression. Literally I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to gamble. If they have money and can place the bet then why not. Being mental doesn't actually remove ones right from reality, it one removes you from the public as every one sees you not fit to live with. So if he can still gamble then he shouldn't be deprived of a chance to.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 24, 2024, 05:01:24 PM

Sure seems like mentally unstable folks can do whatever they want and even have no consequences for their actions.

At the point when they are mentally ill, nothing bothers them anymore because they are not in their right senses. But the truth is that I don't think they should gamble because if their gambling habits doesn't affects them it might affect someone closer to them, or those that depend on them (like their children).

Quote from: danherbias07 on September 25, 2024, 01:33:10 AM

1. Yes, there are mentally unstable people who look like just the normal ones so they can enter gambling floors and play.

Yeah, some mental unstable people seems normal and some times you won't know until you go closer to them or ask them a few questions. However, if the owners of the casino know that there's an abnormal gambler in his casino shop, he should walk the person out so that he won't cause any harm to other gamblers.

once a mentally ill person arrives and there is enough evidence to determine that this person is not suitable for gambling,

Now this is the main thing that will be hard to know in most cases, why is because some gamblers with mental issues looks cooperate (mostly if the illness is just starting).

Quote from: bakasabo on September 25, 2024, 08:37:53 AM

But everyone is allowed to have fun. As well as casinos are not specialists to make diagnosis or evaluate people. Mentally unstable people can have a special budget, that they are allowed to spend how they want. Should that stop them from being able to gamble?

It would be better if the mental unstable gamblers gamble online instead of going to a casino house to gamble. And if any of the family members know the kind of person they live with, they should also look after him and also stay closer to the person in other to avoid some unnecessary harassments. Because if the mental unstable person goes to a physical casino and gamble then causes some problems, the owner of the casino might decide to do something dangerous to the mental unstable gambler because he's trying to ruin his business.

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Quote from: rachael9385 on September 25, 2024, 05:28:23 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on July 24, 2024, 05:01:24 PM

Sure seems like mentally unstable folks can do whatever they want and even have no consequences for their actions.

At the point when they are mentally ill, nothing bothers them anymore because they are not in their right senses. But the truth is that I don't think they should gamble because if their gambling habits doesn't affects them it might affect someone closer to them, or those that depend on them (like their children).

Quote from: danherbias07 on September 25, 2024, 01:33:10 AM

1. Yes, there are mentally unstable people who look like just the normal ones so they can enter gambling floors and play.

Yeah, some mental unstable people seems normal and some times you won't know until you go closer to them or ask them a few questions. However, if the owners of the casino know that there's an abnormal gambler in his casino shop, he should walk the person out so that he won't cause any harm to other gamblers.

Casinos are relatively professional in dealing with abnormal gamblers but that belongs to reputable casinos in the area, once a mentally ill person arrives and there is enough evidence to determine that this person is not suitable for gambling, the casino management will stop him to avoid trouble from family members and affect other players. This situation also occurs in smaller casinos but the trouble and exposure is something these casinos absolutely hate, they will deal with such difficult customers very gently, being harsh only makes the place noisier and encourages people to report.

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But everyone is allowed to have fun. As well as casinos are not specialists to make diagnosis or evaluate people. Mentally unstable people can have a special budget, that they are allowed to spend how they want. Should that stop them from being able to gamble?

And how do you want to take it to government level and make laws? You want casinos to hire special people to check visitors mental stability or ask them to provide a documents that they are ok? Then how do you separate those who need to provide such document because they are mentally unstable from those who are stable? There is no answer, you have to check every single visitor. And I am afraid, mentally stable people wont accept such special document check-up. Just imagine that you need to have a document, that will allow you to gamble, even though you a regular, default, mentally stable person. That is going to be humiliating.

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Mentally unstable people in society should not be allowed to Gamble as they are not in a right frame of mind, government should come up with laws prohibiting people with mental health related issues , as they are not in the right mental state to bet as their sense of reasoning and judgment has been affected
Infact In ideal societies people with mental health related problem is not permitted to take part in critical decision making matters of that country like election

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 24, 2024, 05:01:24 PM

Sure seems like mentally unstable folks can do whatever they want and even have no consequences for their actions.

At the point when they are mentally ill, nothing bothers them anymore because they are not in their right senses. But the truth is that I don't think they should gamble because if their gambling habits doesn't affects them it might affect someone closer to them, or those that depend on them (like their children).

Quote from: danherbias07 on September 25, 2024, 01:33:10 AM

1. Yes, there are mentally unstable people who look like just the normal ones so they can enter gambling floors and play.

Yeah, some mental unstable people seems normal and some times you won't know until you go closer to them or ask them a few questions. However, if the owners of the casino know that there's an abnormal gambler in his casino shop, he should walk the person out so that he won't cause any harm to other gamblers.

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Quote from: crwth on July 24, 2024, 11:08:24 PM

Are there even instances where mentally unstable people are out and just gambling around? I am curious do they have the capacity to have that kind of interest in terms of wanting to entertain themselves?

What category of unstable people are We even Talking about?

There still should be accountability in terms of what they do in my opinion, and that could be with their guardian or something.

1. Yes, there are mentally unstable people who look like just the normal ones so they can enter gambling floors and play.
2. OP didn't mention anything about it.

Yes, I agree with your final statement but what if he is old enough that he could still go some places although the person still has a disability that is not obvious?
I have seen people walk around who I thought were just normal like me and then one day you will receive news from your neighbor that they are crazy or something. If they can do things without even a guardian because the family thinks they can, that becomes a problem for society. Those who are less fortunate cannot afford medicine and a guardian for their family member who is mentally unstable to be taken care of so they just let them be like normal people even though they are not.
We don't know when that mental disability will suddenly come out and whatever it is, it might create chaos in gambling businesses or the streets.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Gambling addiction can be considered to be a mental disorder then for someone who isn't mentally stable to engage in it can only cause more harm than good. Gambling involves some sort of stability to start with, someone who isn't mentally coordinated can't just go into it, how can a mentally unstable gambler make logical decisions if he isn't in the right State of mind? Mental disorders goes beyond wearing dirty clothes or having unkept hairs some people dress properly but are not mentally okay

Where stress free people are often confused when it comes to gambling decisions, when a person who is ill or mentally unstable becomes addicted to gambling, it will be difficult for them to make the right decisions. They will engage in gambling but the outcome of gambling is unlikely to be as expected by them. Although there is luck in gambling, but if you do not take proper decisions, the luck will go far away. One thing I have been able to observe very well in betting is that if I am mentally happy and can gamble without any stress then my gambling results are comparatively better but when I am not mentally ready or going through any stress then the result will not be much expected.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Gambling addiction can be considered to be a mental disorder then for someone who isn't mentally stable to engage in it can only cause more harm than good. Gambling involves some sort of stability to start with, someone who isn't mentally coordinated can't just go into it, how can a mentally unstable gambler make logical decisions if he isn't in the right State of mind? Mental disorders goes beyond wearing dirty clothes or having unkept hairs some people dress properly but are not mentally okay

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Are there even instances where mentally unstable people are out and just gambling around? I am curious do they have the capacity to have that kind of interest in terms of wanting to entertain themselves?

What category of unstable people are We even Talking about?

There still should be accountability in terms of what they do in my opinion, and that could be with their guardian or something.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Those who are unstable when it comes to gambling may be the gambling company considered them negatively, but not always. There are some gamblers who appear to be physically abnormal but still manage to gamble within the rules of gambling. An addicted gambler is not a threat to the gambling companies but they are profitable for that company. But gambling platforms definitely not help those who do not follow any rules in gambling and create problem. But not only in the gambling platforms but in any platform if a person can be trustworthy as well as polite then he will be considered positively by all. It is not possible to identify about a person by his appearance. But the behavior of those who are mentally unstable is not always positive. The authorities have a different view of those gamblers.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 24, 2024, 05:01:24 PM

Sure seems like mentally unstable folks can do whatever they want and even have no consequences for their actions. At least according to one political party in the US. I am glad that things are starting to trend more towards normalcy, but we’re still a long ways from putting people in loony bins like the old days.

To me, you are mixining some stuff up when talking about people who (unfortunately) cannot enjoy the emotional stability many take for granted. This is a discussion which is entirely about whether mentally unstable people is supposed to be chartered in casinos and resort or be escorted away as they care not in a state which allows them to know right from wrong.
A little bit of derailment, though. What is your opinion of mentally unstable people and what is the government supposed to do with them if they are found to be suffering from illnesses like depression or anxiety? Simply locking them up?

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Sure seems like mentally unstable folks can do whatever they want and even have no consequences for their actions. At least according to one political party in the US. I am glad that things are starting to trend more towards normalcy, but we’re still a long ways from putting people in loony bins like the old days.

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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

There's something most people don't know, gambling addiction is a mental disorder, for those who can actually relate, ask yourself why can't I stop?? Even after telling yourself you won't but you always find your self going back and it feels like you have no control over it..
If someone has a mental disorder and probably starts gambling, the mental issues of that person will only be escalated, how do you think he or she would react after losing a bet when they are not in control of their emotions, it would be highly disastrous

These were exactly my thoughts after reading the OP. People who are mentally okay often find it difficult regulating their gambling activities which most times leads to a more serious issue for them. For someone who is already mentally challenged, there are tendencies that he might end up as an impulsive gambler generating money to the casinos all in the name of gambling.

In my opinion, I think mentally challenged people should not be allowed to gamble because they do not know what they are doing and they do not have that capacity to make informed decisions. Same way underaged people are not allowed to gamble, mentally unstable people should not be allowed too.

But honestly, whether those people who do have that disorder and to those normal ones, on the time that they would really be playing up gambling then most likely it would really be still ending up on the same
on which it do become that impulsive or the time that you dont know on what you are doing and becoming like someone who dont really have that much control when it comes to finances.
It would really be that common sense that in overall thinking and decision making then those people who do have that mind problems will really be not making such good condition on which it would really be that understandable. The problem here is that on the moment that they will really be trying out to visit physical places then it would really be that hard to determine on which one.

Any health conditions shouldnt really be allowed on dealing up with something on which it isnt really just that limited on gambling alone but also in other stuffs as well. It would really be that
truly understandable about certain conditions shouldnt really be that tolerated or something that do speak about allowing into those activities on which it does really require
that proper moderation and control which does simply needs that proper thinking and assessing on situations.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on July 24, 2024, 03:56:44 PM

If someone is mentally unstable, then there must be some kind of lunatic display from their way of behavior, now the question is, how could such a person know how to gamble, get money to gamble and also gamble in a responsible manner, we cannot pretend that we are not aware of the fire set on the mountain when the disaster approaches, we will only constitute to their problem by allowing them to gamble, instead, we can engage them on other sports and gaming activities other than gambling.

Yes that makes sense, and the question is yes as you said that how is it possible for someone who has a mental disorder to be involved in gambling regardless of whether they are gambling at an online or physical casino, and it is also of course less likely for those who have a mental disorder to can calculate their every action and decision, and it should be reasonable to say that they would not know how to gamble like the average gambler does.

That all makes sense, friend, and let alone gambling responsibly, I'm sure they won't even know how to gamble, so it's best to eliminate all ties to gambling, because the first step you should take is to help cure them if that's possible, but Otherwise, licensing involvement in gambling for people who have mental disorders is unnecessary or even pointless to do.

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If someone is mentally unstable, then there must be some kind of lunatic display from their way of behavior, now the question is, how could such a person know how to gamble, get money to gamble and also gamble in a responsible manner, we cannot pretend that we are not aware of the fire set on the mountain when the disaster approaches, we will only constitute to their problem by allowing them to gamble, instead, we can engage them on other sports and gaming activities other than gambling.

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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

There's something most people don't know, gambling addiction is a mental disorder, for those who can actually relate, ask yourself why can't I stop?? Even after telling yourself you won't but you always find your self going back and it feels like you have no control over it..
If someone has a mental disorder and probably starts gambling, the mental issues of that person will only be escalated, how do you think he or she would react after losing a bet when they are not in control of their emotions, it would be highly disastrous

These were exactly my thoughts after reading the OP. People who are mentally okay often find it difficult regulating their gambling activities which most times leads to a more serious issue for them. For someone who is already mentally challenged, there are tendencies that he might end up as an impulsive gambler generating money to the casinos all in the name of gambling.

In my opinion, I think mentally challenged people should not be allowed to gamble because they do not know what they are doing and they do not have that capacity to make informed decisions. Same way underaged people are not allowed to gamble, mentally unstable people should not be allowed too.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Frankly it is a slippery slope to try and judge whether someone is mentally unstable, or what is behind their actions. You start entering the area of discriminating against someone for a disability or how they look. While most shops are free to reject doing business with anyone they like, you'll find that casinos or bookmaker shops are some of the last places you'll see someone being prevented from entering to bet. If someone has gotten very angry or even aggressive then they should be removed, but that is probably the only reason they would stop someone betting there. You can find some rather rich people who don't necessarily wear the nicest clothes or even look after themselves particularly well, but they should not be rejected on appearances only.

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