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Quote from: swogerino on May 05, 2024, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2024, 12:58:13 PM

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

No matter how stable they can be the fact that even very sound people,smart people like IT persons or engineers with high positions in work and society have ruined their life because of gambling.They have started out just like everybody else yet their being smart have not helped them to make sound decisions and to stop gambling when their mind were playing tricks on them.Gambling have destabilized really smart minds and persons and spares no one,this is what I am trying to say here,even stable persons,smart ones with a firm life and family can fall prey to gambling and should not be suggested to gamble

It's a different category but it happens in real life that gambling can destroy someone's life and fortune. They're irresponsible gamblers and they don't see it coming and with their attention that have been purely included to gambling, they're having problems of reiterating if they're really smart or they've been outsmarted by the industry that they have been into it. Those that can't move on with gambling and have destroyed their lives on it, they probably have thought that they don't need someone's help and that's why they've took themselves to the path that they think they can handle it without asking anyone.

Quote from: swogerino on May 05, 2024, 02:39:34 PM

I am not at all talking about stealing money as that is going down in moral lows,yet again I repeat gambling spares no one so everyone should be extra careful.

In general, it can hit everyone whether you're rich, poor, or average person. Whether you're professionally titled with your job or not, what matters here is that what you've said that it's not going to spare anyone with it. One thing that every gambler needs to remember is on how to handle our emotions because if we're not able to do it, we're just throwing our lives and money elsewhere without any direction.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on May 05, 2024, 05:35:33 PM

Quote from: Wakate on May 05, 2024, 05:18:48 PM

I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.

If someone is mentally unstable, will he be able to recognize what gambling is? I feel anyone who is of age and has decide to gamble should be given equal opportunity and attention. It is their money and they game they want to play is theirs, so denying them is similar to denying physically challenge people access to what should be accessible to all irrespective of their health condition. By the way, I do not see restriction for mentally unstable people in the TOS of casinos so there is no basis for not allowing them to gamble.

In the first place, if the person is mentally unstable, would he understand what he is going into or what he is doing? And as you said, nothing is mentioned in the ToS, so even if a mentally unstable person will access the site, they won't have problem getting in. Also, it is like a discrimination of someone else's state of mind.

Quote from: DaNNy001 on May 05, 2024, 03:43:38 PM

Gambling in a hall with a mentally unstable person is quite uncomfortable for my liking, because it could be an act of selfishness for the gambling attendant to still give service to a mentally unstable person when they know that the person isn't in the right state of mind to make good selections. From the description from the op, it's obvious the person was mentally illed, and him been able to compose emself doesn't necessary mean that he is stable in gambling selection. Be might pretend to be fine because he/she knows that he'll be kicked out if he causes any trouble. Such person should be deprived the right of playing gamble, since they can just end up being a n irresponsible gambler.

This is very prone to bias as only professionals can really identify a person if he is indeed mentally stable or not. So a regular gambler or bettor can't just tell one person that he is not in good condition to play. You can offend someone if you do so and you may never know his true condition.

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Quote from: Wakate on May 05, 2024, 05:18:48 PM

I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.

If someone is mentally unstable, will he be able to recognize what gambling is? I feel anyone who is of age and has decide to gamble should be given equal opportunity and attention. It is their money and they game they want to play is theirs, so denying them is similar to denying physically challenge people access to what should be accessible to all irrespective of their health condition. By the way, I do not see restriction for mentally unstable people in the TOS of casinos so there is no basis for not allowing them to gamble.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on May 05, 2024, 03:43:38 PM

Gambling in a hall with a mentally unstable person is quite uncomfortable for my liking, because it could be an act of selfishness for the gambling attendant to still give service to a mentally unstable person when they know that the person isn't in the right state of mind to make good selections. From the description from the op, it's obvious the person was mentally illed, and him been able to compose emself doesn't necessary mean that he is stable in gambling selection. Be might pretend to be fine because he/she knows that he'll be kicked out if he causes any trouble. Such person should be deprived the right of playing gamble, since they can just end up being a n irresponsible gambler.

I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

What a weird way for you to describe judging someone based on their looks. For you he may have looked "shabby" but he might otherwise have been perfectly sound of mind and you say that he was otherwise organized enough to place a bet. Some people do not choose to conform to society or the way that you think they should look. Nothing else besides his appearance in your description makes him seem mentally unsound. It's also not the cashiers job to reject someones business really and it might create genuine barriers for people who otherwise should be allowed to gamble. Do we stop people gambling when drunk? As that would suggest they are making improper decisions? No, we don't - in fact casinos often try to ply gamblers with free drinks in order to loosen them up a bit

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Quote from: Hirose UK on May 03, 2024, 11:54:41 PM

But is it possible for person suffering from mental disorders to carry out gambling activities, they are in less than normal way of thinking and what they do is always beyond the limits of normal human reasoning.
Unlike people who are just depressed or mentally unstable, this has not yet reached state of insanity and people like this can still carry out various activities like normal people in general.
Only difference is temperament and emotional level, those who are mentally unstable or in depressed state really cannot be disturbed and they will tend to be alone.
If their personality used to be that of gambler, perhaps despite this condition they would still be able to gamble, it just that they would be relatively quiet.
I once found person like this in betting shop and it was very ridiculous because while he was in the betting shop he really avoided crowds and if someone else greeted him he looked gloomy or remained silent without word coming out of his mouth.
Most important thing is that as long as the people around you don't bother them then there won't be any problems because people like this won't show their emotions if they don't feel disturbed.

Mentally unstable people can execute gambling activities but not in a clear and acceptable manner. They could be compulsive or reckless in the process because they do not care about themselves anymore. The game doesn't seem risky to them either, it's just a compulsory activity that is meant to be carried out at their end. However, like you said, merely looking at them gamble, one could figure out that the person is mentally disordered, due to their body language and some differences in behavior. If the player got mentally disordered through gambling, he may not be aggressive towards other gamblers who think like him.

They can only get bothered when family friends tend to correct them inappropriately about their gambling behavior. But someone who has been struggling with mental disorder before involving himself into gambling, should be avoided and not disturb when in the gambling house. As he could get aggressive both with the gamblers like himself. Personally, would feel comfortable disturbing such a person or trying to correct him while in the casino. Preferably, gamblers should be let to be on their own, unless they seek out for help in predicting a match.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on May 05, 2024, 03:43:38 PM

Gambling in a hall with a mentally unstable person is quite uncomfortable for my liking, because it could be an act of selfishness for the gambling attendant to still give service to a mentally unstable person when they know that the person isn't in the right state of mind to make good selections. From the description from the op, it's obvious the person was mentally illed, and him been able to compose emself doesn't necessary mean that he is stable in gambling selection. Be might pretend to be fine because he/she knows that he'll be kicked out if he causes any trouble. Such person should be deprived the right of playing gamble, since they can just end up being a n irresponsible gambler.

I can really relate with what you said. We used to have this mentally unstable guy in our class in college back then, this guy use to be very quiet and makes funny moves and entertain the class, we thought it natural and we were never inform of his behavior and when the head becomes unstable. So, one day his sit mate took something a customized pen from his bag, refused to give back and ran away, this guy was mad that day and chased everyone from the class, crazy day that day they had to hold him down by strong men.

I think mentally unstable people should not be allowed to go to all public places like physical casino, a loss from his games is enough to turn his head upside down and God forbid, they can go extreme to be violent and do what no person expected from them and how do you explain such a thing in the court of law, they should stay at home or if they can gamble with their phone, then better but not public.

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Quote from: arjunmujay on January 12, 2024, 09:37:39 AM

that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.

Sometimes it's not just about the dressing; most of them might dress averagely, but the way they behave in the gambling house will show that they are not on their right senses.

Some also might not dress very well and when they enter any gambling shop even when they mean no harm their appearance alone will scare people aware and they will be uncomfortable to gamble in that place because anyone who is confirm not to be on their right might their behavior can't be predicted and as such people should be careful with them.

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Gambling in a hall with a mentally unstable person is quite uncomfortable for my liking, because it could be an act of selfishness for the gambling attendant to still give service to a mentally unstable person when they know that the person isn't in the right state of mind to make good selections. From the description from the op, it's obvious the person was mentally illed, and him been able to compose emself doesn't necessary mean that he is stable in gambling selection. Be might pretend to be fine because he/she knows that he'll be kicked out if he causes any trouble. Such person should be deprived the right of playing gamble, since they can just end up being a n irresponsible gambler.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 05, 2024, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2024, 12:58:13 PM

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

No matter how stable they can be the fact that even very sound people,smart people like IT persons or engineers with high positions in work and society have ruined their life because of gambling.They have started out just like everybody else yet their being smart have not helped them to make sound decisions and to stop gambling when their mind were playing tricks on them.Gambling have destabilized really smart minds and persons and spares no one,this is what I am trying to say here,even stable persons,smart ones with a firm life and family can fall prey to gambling and should not be suggested to gamble,I am not at all talking about stealing money as that is going down in moral lows,yet again I repeat gambling spares no one so everyone should be extra careful.

In gambling anything can happen, and no matter who you are or what your position is or how smart you are in a field the fact is that everything is useless if emotions play a role, as we know that generally when something is done based on emotions it will lead to end results that can sometimes be very bad, while gambling is an activity that is very vulnerable to causing emotions to dominate in a person which I think we already know that quite a lot of people have experienced a lot of downfalls.

As you said above that anyone can fall prey to gambling, no matter who you are, no matter how smart you are, or how rich or poor you are you can eventually end up with a very bad situation and life conditions if you treat gambling in the wrong way, well we have found the trigger point that can cause problems is the wrong way of treating gambling activities, and this is the reason why a gambler is always advised to be careful along with putting a lot of restrictions on time, budget and expectations on winning.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2024, 12:58:13 PM

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

There are people who look normal, but their actions tend to be similar to that of a crazy person. So, one doesn't have to be a psychopath or handicapped before they can take crazy actions. But it is hard to figure those persons out before entering a casino or betting shop because they look so normal but get crazy when they start gambling. Which is one of the main reasons why there are securities in the local betting shops and casino.

One good thing is that such person can only gamble in a local shop but can't do any of those tricky and crazy things online because they would immediately block his betting account.

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Generally the only restricted thing in gambling is age, If you are not in the age then you're not allowed to play. But in this case I don't think I've witnessed any similar situation and haven't really thought about it.

I think that when someone is mentally unstable or have any disabilities, someone else should be in charge of him, which means he can't proceed any activity alone without the permission of his health carer, because mentally unstable people sometimes act unpredictably and can do crazy things. But I don't know if this works in the gambling world.

As you mentioned, this person didn't really give any sign of disability, maybe he is just a gambling addict who used to frequently gamble. I can't be sure though, it is just a probability I thought of and honestly wish for this person to get better no matter what he's dealing with.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2024, 12:58:13 PM

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

No matter how stable they can be the fact that even very sound people,smart people like IT persons or engineers with high positions in work and society have ruined their life because of gambling.They have started out just like everybody else yet their being smart have not helped them to make sound decisions and to stop gambling when their mind were playing tricks on them.Gambling have destabilized really smart minds and persons and spares no one,this is what I am trying to say here,even stable persons,smart ones with a firm life and family can fall prey to gambling and should not be suggested to gamble,I am not at all talking about stealing money as that is going down in moral lows,yet again I repeat gambling spares no one so everyone should be extra careful.

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Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

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Quote from: uneng on May 05, 2024, 12:08:30 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on May 05, 2024, 11:58:40 AM

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

Aside that he is not causing any trouble, I think such a player is not meant to hit problem gambling. Looking at the description, he could be mentally unstable, and if he turns out to be addicted to the game his mental problem would skyrocket because addiction also causes mental disorder. However, he gambles in a place where people don't mind how he looks provided he pays his bills, no problem. Yet such a person needs help and should be attended to as you mentioned. Nothing is wrong in accepting him into the place he is human and should be respected.

But, in a case where he is causing trouble to himself, that's not fair. Not saying the gaming house should look into his wellbeing or whether he is a compulsive player, but his family, I believe he belongs to one, should help him on that. On another flip, the player could be living a boring life due to his appearance, few people would love to associate with him, hence gambling could be his way of entertaining himself. Thinking of him, staying around people is his best choice. Regardless, many would look down on him, but someday same person will win big, provided he is not compulsive.

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I've worked with people who have ongoing learning difficulties and they tend to be given a certain spending allowance for any activity and this keeps anything away from being a problem.

Depends also what kind of gamble we are talking, circus sideshows are a game that is often also a gamble. I've seen at a fair the plinko triangle or pascals triangle as it was known to me via my maths studies and I would consider that fair to play for anyone even kids but its also a game at a casino too.

The main issue is the size of the bet and probably it should be just a fixed size bet for anyone who might otherwise take too much risk and misjudge their position easily. Thats the part I would restrict for safety but people should always be allowed to play games imo.

I would say it would be dollar size entry to any game, you cant get into too much trouble that way and its mostly about the game not this idea of get rich gambling.

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Quote from: nara1892 on May 05, 2024, 11:58:40 AM

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on May 04, 2024, 12:39:22 AM

Quote from: nara1892 on May 04, 2024, 12:27:38 AM

This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

I think that the person in question who might have a mental disorder already regularly comes to the casino to bet and leaves everything to the casino organizers and doesn't make a fuss. This means that the person does not really have a mental disorder.
perhaps because the bad appearance he used annoyed some of the other gamblers. But those who are already customers of the casino, definitely know the habits of this shabby-looking person.

As long as it doesn't disturb the order of the casino, I'm sure the casino management and security won't be too concerned about the gambler.

Right, and as the OP said where the person has been a regular there, and I think I'm pretty sure that the officers must have been quite surprised before when he just came to the casino, or I mean the officers must have initially seen the person in terms of appearance when he had not subscribed to the casino because of his appearance but maybe over time because there was absolutely no problem with his arrival then the trust of the officers finally allowed the person to return to gambling.

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

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Quote from: nara1892 on May 04, 2024, 12:27:38 AM

This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

I think that the person in question who might have a mental disorder already regularly comes to the casino to bet and leaves everything to the casino organizers and doesn't make a fuss. This means that the person does not really have a mental disorder.
perhaps because the bad appearance he used annoyed some of the other gamblers. But those who are already customers of the casino, definitely know the habits of this shabby-looking person.

As long as it doesn't disturb the order of the casino, I'm sure the casino management and security won't be too concerned about the gambler.

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This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

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