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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?


There's something most people don't know, gambling addiction is a mental disorder, for those who can actually relate, ask yourself why can't I stop?? Even after telling yourself you won't but you always find your self going back and it feels like you have no control over it..
If someone has a mental disorder and probably starts gambling, the mental issues of that person will only be escalated, how do you think he or she would react after losing a bet when they are not in control of their emotions, it would be highly disastrous
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Some mental illness people do organize them self and to avoid any distraction because they know about their situation and they can do anything it they start acting so they make sure they keep calm and do what ever they want to achieve their desires, well I guess the mental illness is not too much but it is okey for them to handle it
If they knows that they have mental illness and don't do something that can harm many people, that will be good for them. But we knows that people with mental illness can do something that we never realizes and that can harm people around them because what they do will not be predicted for other people. It's better that those people doesn't playing gambling to avoids something bad that can harm many people in that place, including themselves because when they do something bad, they will not realizes. Other people can't helps them because they are afraid that they can becomes the victims and gets injured. It's a duty for their family to keeps an eye of their family members who have mental illness not to around many people so there will be no people harm because of them.
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Some mental illness people do organize them self and to avoid any distraction because they know about their situation and they can do anything it they start acting so they make sure they keep calm and do what ever they want to achieve their desires, well I guess the mental illness is not too much but it is okey for them to handle it

By the name they are mentally unstable they that means they are not organize. With having those illness they can't have proper focus since they are bothered with their issues and might they can cause a lot of troubles to the people who's playing in same venue if they are playing on physical casino or they disturb the operation of the casino which is legitimately running and they just want to troll them because they want to take revenge on what they experience. They are mentally unstable and that is risky person to deal with.

That's why if you know someone close to you having this issues then give him an advice or tell it to his family members that these person is not doing well and he might experience a lot of trouble if he can't get proper guidance or immediate help by professionals who can help on his issues facing on.
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What "mentally unstable" may look like to you could be quite different. People should realize that we are not talking about people who are half naked running down the street when we say this, there are a lot of people who are mentally unstable but do not show it right away.

We could be talking about someone who is a close friend of yours, or some person working at your company. I mean do you really think that kids who shoot up schools show their guns and threaten people beforehand? They do not do that at all, we are usually unaware who is mentally unstable. So we can't really see who they are, and what they are going through mentally and since we can't that means we would not be able to actually show them anything at all, it would be quite near impossible stop them.
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Some mental illness people do organize them self and to avoid any distraction because they know about their situation and they can do anything it they start acting so they make sure they keep calm and do what ever they want to achieve their desires, well I guess the mental illness is not too much but it is okey for them to handle it
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Gambling in a hall with a mentally unstable person is quite uncomfortable for my liking, because it could be an act of selfishness for the gambling attendant to still give service to a mentally unstable person when they know that the person isn't in the right state of mind to make good selections. From the description from the op, it's obvious the person was mentally illed, and him been able to compose emself doesn't necessary mean that he is stable in gambling selection. Be might pretend to be fine because he/she knows that he'll be kicked out if he causes any trouble. Such person should be deprived the right of playing gamble, since they can just end up being a n irresponsible gambler.
The issues is the state of mind, what’s the person thought at that moment when placing a bet and the reaction taken after seeing the end result either good or bad. Mentally unstable person should avoid public areas like a casino center for example for customers safety, the casino in question might lose customers if they continually provide service to a mental ill person because everyone is watching around and I will not like being in same space with such person likewise others also. At that state, the least service anyone can render is treatment not gamble because it sound as selfishness from my view.
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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Certainly not, but I doubt that any country prohibits certain people from gambling or that any casino requires a medical certificate from all its customers.

The main characteristic that differentiates a pathological gambler (who has a mental problem or addiction) from a responsible gambler is the cognitive distortion he has about the game. Calm down, I'll explain better....

Cognitive distortion is defined as an illusion of control over the game, that is, of controlling the results (which we know are random). This illusion of control can be manifested either when the person believes that they have already "mastered" the moves or when they believe that they know how to interpret certain "environmental signals" that are not actually influencing anything in the game.
In addition to this characteristic, pathological gamblers also display traits of impulsivity that probably emerged in childhood, and use gambling as a way of seeking a form of psychological pleasure.
The responsible player knows the limits and risks of the game, is always playing according to the odds and knows when to stop... something that a person with mental problems would be unlikely to achieve.

Players who have this type of problem and cannot control their excessive gambling behavior should seek psychiatric treatment and stay away from gambling.
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People generally enter gambling out of curiosity. However, some people who are mentally disturbed by gambling become more addicted to gambling and drugs. People in my area who are in family turmoil and always addicted to drugs are mostly physically visiting offline gambling dens. But it is quite curious that some people fall into the circle of friends and become addicted to gambling. However, if we consider the number of people who are addicted to gambling, gambling addiction is usually more from the family which had a gambler addicted to gambling in the past.

Well you are totally right, and also when people get addicted in gambling, it's always hard for them to maintain relationships  because they are focused on gambling and peer pressure as you said can also contribute to gambling addiction because they see that there friends or loved ones are benefitting from it, so they also want to give it a try, by so doing, they started developing the feelings of gambling maybe if they are lucky to win certain amount of money when they just started, that way can also lead to addiction and also it's true that gambling addiction can be passed down in families especially if the any of the family members are exposed to gambling from a young age, that one is a very serious case which is one of the dangerous experience because before you can change from it, it's only by God grace and these set of people are always in fond of begging and are ready to do anything just for them to get money to  gamble, some, if you can't help them, they have become your enemy. Although I think gambling it's for everyone but people should really be careful when gambling because once one is turn to addict, it won't turn out well.
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I think gambling should be for everybody,there is no way you can stop mentally unstable people from gamble if they have their personal self phone.But If we are talking about mentally unstable people,they are of different types,some of them can relate with people,while some of them are really insane and can destroy things and even human being if they come close to where people stay.
But if you're concern to someone's welfare that you think that they shouldn't gamble, then all you have to do is to advice them that they should stop if seen to have mental problems.

So I think those ones who are not really disturbed to the extent of destroying things still have a chance of being sane in life,so those ones can gamble.But the ones who aren't really okay shouldnt be allowed to get to where human being are.
There's no problem if someone doesn't have any problem that's being shown to the others.

If they can gamble and knows what they're up to, they're aware of the surroundings and can control themselves then 100%, they can.
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I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.
If someone is mentally unstable, will he be able to recognize what gambling is? I feel anyone who is of age and has decide to gamble should be given equal opportunity and attention. It is their money and they game they want to play is theirs, so denying them is similar to denying physically challenge people access to what should be accessible to all irrespective of their health condition. By the way, I do not see restriction for mentally unstable people in the TOS of casinos so there is no basis for not allowing them to gamble. 
Mentally unstable people can do anything but it does not mean that they are doing it the right way. They might damage the machine and they can do harm to the other gamblers inside the casino, so even if we like to treat them equally like any other normal customers, we are sorry that we can't for that reason but we are always glad to give them a special attention that they needed to.

Sometimes it's better if a mentally challenged person can be like this or they will roam outside because they can't get help if they will only stay indoors. Physically challenged people on the other hand are more allowed than them but it's only sad that some of them still can't play on their own if they wanted to. 
Speaking on the side of those personnel who do allowed those mentally unstable person to play in the vicinity then this is something that cant really be seen unless if there would really be some obvious actions
or form or behavior then it would really be prohibited to be able to get inside on the vicinity but if its not then they could really freely get inside and whatever the actions that they would be making inside
on the time that they would be playing then it would really be surely be known on late manner and this is where things would really be found out. As for the question if they are allowed to gamble?
As long they are aware of the things they've been doing but literally that they arent in good condition then it would really be safe to say that they shouldnt gamble at all.
Getting addicted or other actions be made could really be possibly to happen due to such condition.
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Any mentally unstable person getting into gambling should be ready to get addicted and obviously gambling is not for those that have any form of mental issues because at such level such person won't be able to control the emotions and for that they can easilyake unrealistic decisions that can easily affect their well being and for some reason they should be kept away from gambling at all cost.

It’s true, because if gambling addiction develops even in those who have complete self-control and are generally in excellent mental health, then gambling poses a very great danger to everyone who experiences some kind of mental problems. I’m scared to imagine that someone else uses alcohol or drugs while gambling.
Then an incredibly dangerous condition arises in which money absolutely ceases to have any value. But money management is very important, and we should never forget about it.
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Any mentally unstable person getting into gambling should be ready to get addicted and obviously gambling is not for those that have any form of mental issues because at such level such person won't be able to control the emotions and for that they can easilyake unrealistic decisions that can easily affect their well being and for some reason they should be kept away from gambling at all cost.
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I think gambling should be for everybody,there is no way you can stop mentally unstable people from gamble if they have their personal self phone.But If we are talking about mentally unstable people,they are of different types,some of them can relate with people,while some of them are really insane and can destroy things and even human being if they come close to where people stay.So I think those ones who are not really disturbed to the extent of destroying things still have a chance of being sane in life,so those ones can gamble.But the ones who aren't really okay shouldnt be allowed to get to where human being are.
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I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.
If someone is mentally unstable, will he be able to recognize what gambling is? I feel anyone who is of age and has decide to gamble should be given equal opportunity and attention. It is their money and they game they want to play is theirs, so denying them is similar to denying physically challenge people access to what should be accessible to all irrespective of their health condition. By the way, I do not see restriction for mentally unstable people in the TOS of casinos so there is no basis for not allowing them to gamble. 
Mentally unstable people can do anything but it does not mean that they are doing it the right way. They might damage the machine and they can do harm to the other gamblers inside the casino, so even if we like to treat them equally like any other normal customers, we are sorry that we can't for that reason but we are always glad to give them a special attention that they needed to.

Sometimes it's better if a mentally challenged person can be like this or they will roam outside because they can't get help if they will only stay indoors. Physically challenged people on the other hand are more allowed than them but it's only sad that some of them still can't play on their own if they wanted to. 
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If for example the situation he was identified as having a mental disorder in him then obviously of course the casino would definitely secure the person, they already know what they have to do if they find someone like that and we don't need to suggest anything because surely if we and the casino think using common sense in terms of making a decision then surely the results of the decision will not be much different, because if it is not immediately addressed then the impact will definitely be significant where most likely he will destroy all the excitement that is being felt by other visitors who are there or even do some actions that can hurt visitors who are there.

There is no need to be too complicated in terms of responding to this problem, simply the casino only needs to evict the person and ensure that the person will not return there if for example the person is indicated to have a mental disorder, and the rest for mental problems is the person's business and the casino will not be able to take care of something that is not their business. On the other hand, I understand that you are suggesting something good above, but they are mentally challenged people whose minds are different from normal people who do not care about their dirty and shabby condition, unless there is one person who really cares about them and wants to take care of them.

Because he doesn't attack other visitors in any way, is the reason he's still allowed to be a regular gambler in the shop. Nobody is sure what's actually wrong with the gambler in the description, but it seems he's not completely in control of himself or has nobody dear to him that'll take good care of him. Maybe his type of work also made him look the way people see him. That doesn't define the man as a mentally disordered person. These days something is considered a problem if the person is inflicting pains on other people around him. Once a player is safe and doesn't act strange everything will seem right with the person. Another scary aspect of this is that nobody has bothered talking to him, and ask few questions regarding his gambling habit.

Even the managers of the place who are concerned about their money, may not have asked him of such thing. To him he's fine but to the world around him he's mentally disordered due to his appearance. It's a complicated case as no close friend has visited the casino to complain about the player's misbehavior in their environment. I have seen some neatly dressed gamblers who are being reported to the gambling outlet by their close family regarding their Ill behavior in the house. Maybe gambling their pocket money or always demanding for money. The man here, has a work and plays with his money. I think he's cool, since nobody has been reportedly affected by his gambling activity.
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I just don't understand why op would write about this kind of post for mentally unstable people. When someone is having a mental problem, it means they are not fit to do some certain things and we will have to be very careful how we expected someone that is having a mental imbalance to go gamble. Things might turn to something else we one could be surprised to see another altitude all together because the people would not be mentally fit to gamble. Such kind of person is meant to be isolated a place so that they could take their drugs and healthcare personnel can take good care of the person very well.
If someone is mentally unstable, will he be able to recognize what gambling is? I feel anyone who is of age and has decide to gamble should be given equal opportunity and attention. It is their money and they game they want to play is theirs, so denying them is similar to denying physically challenge people access to what should be accessible to all irrespective of their health condition. By the way, I do not see restriction for mentally unstable people in the TOS of casinos so there is no basis for not allowing them to gamble. 
Of a truth, there's no restriction that forbids anyone that's above 18 to gamble in most of the online and offline gambling sites but for mentally unstable persons, I don't think it's a good decision to allow them engage in gambling when when they're old enough to gamble and I have my reasons for saying such. For someone to engage in gambling, it's best that the person is mentally strong enough to take decisions before, during and after gambling so the person doesn't end up using every money in his disposal to gamble. Mentally unstable people in most cases do not know the effect of their decisions and that's why they're always engaging in harmful activities so it's totally wrong for anyone to allow a mentally unstable person to engage in gambling. If they must gamble, they should be monitored by an adult who will help them take good gambling decisions.
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that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.
Sometimes it's not just about the dressing; most of them might dress averagely, but the way they behave in the gambling house will show that they are not on their right senses.
 
Some also might not dress very well and when they enter any gambling shop even when they mean no harm their appearance alone will scare people aware and they will be uncomfortable to gamble in that place because anyone who is confirm not to be on their right might their behavior can't be predicted and as such people should be careful with them.

If the casino will push a ban, that will be most likely because of their behavior in the casino site, not because of how they dress or how they look like when gambling. There are some people who are not really cautious of how they look physically, because as long as they don’t harm others and they’re not giving other gamblers a hassle, I guess that would be fine.

But when it comes to unusual or unethical behavior presented in the gambling site, of course the casino staff should make an action to that. Not just for the sake of other gamblers, but also for the sake of that person as he might be losing all his money without knowing in the first place why he lose them all, that he’s not consciously aware that he gamble them all.
Wait, is your comment in reverence to online casinos or physical gambling outlets? Asking because you kept saying casino site or gambling site, and I was wondering how possible is it that the management of an online casino will be able to see, view or know what a player is wearing, or how a customer is dressed while he or she is online with his mobile phone or pc gambling.

If you comment is in reverence to physical gambling outlet or casinos, then you definitely are right with all that you have said, but if you are talking about online casinos as your comments depicts with your mentions of casino and or gambling sites, then you are absolutely wrong, as a matter of fact, there have been times I even play or check my bets online while am naked in my room 😂, most at times, it's while coming out from the shower, or just about to go in, so you definitely don't want to tell me that the management of an online casino know when am naked and when am not 😂.
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In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.
Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

If for example the situation he was identified as having a mental disorder in him then obviously of course the casino would definitely secure the person, they already know what they have to do if they find someone like that and we don't need to suggest anything because surely if we and the casino think using common sense in terms of making a decision then surely the results of the decision will not be much different, because if it is not immediately addressed then the impact will definitely be significant where most likely he will destroy all the excitement that is being felt by other visitors who are there or even do some actions that can hurt visitors who are there.

There is no need to be too complicated in terms of responding to this problem, simply the casino only needs to evict the person and ensure that the person will not return there if for example the person is indicated to have a mental disorder, and the rest for mental problems is the person's business and the casino will not be able to take care of something that is not their business. On the other hand, I understand that you are suggesting something good above, but they are mentally challenged people whose minds are different from normal people who do not care about their dirty and shabby condition, unless there is one person who really cares about them and wants to take care of them.
Being a casino manager is different. Instead of gloss and glam, its about safety and ensuring everyone has fun. Now, you're right about immediately taking action against a troublemaker, especially if they're mentally ill. Keep the experience for others, easy.

Saying "someone who cares" should help the mentally sick isnt all. Okay, casinos arent hospitals. We have responsibilities as a community. More than tossing folks out, its connecting them with support. Our responsibility to others extends beyond the profit line. Understanding those problems is crucial. Viewing the big picture, the human side. This casino management lesson talks on philosophy and how we treat the needy. How we do things right: empathy, knowledge, action.
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In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.
Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

If for example the situation he was identified as having a mental disorder in him then obviously of course the casino would definitely secure the person, they already know what they have to do if they find someone like that and we don't need to suggest anything because surely if we and the casino think using common sense in terms of making a decision then surely the results of the decision will not be much different, because if it is not immediately addressed then the impact will definitely be significant where most likely he will destroy all the excitement that is being felt by other visitors who are there or even do some actions that can hurt visitors who are there.

There is no need to be too complicated in terms of responding to this problem, simply the casino only needs to evict the person and ensure that the person will not return there if for example the person is indicated to have a mental disorder, and the rest for mental problems is the person's business and the casino will not be able to take care of something that is not their business. On the other hand, I understand that you are suggesting something good above, but they are mentally challenged people whose minds are different from normal people who do not care about their dirty and shabby condition, unless there is one person who really cares about them and wants to take care of them.
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that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.
Sometimes it's not just about the dressing; most of them might dress averagely, but the way they behave in the gambling house will show that they are not on their right senses.
 
Some also might not dress very well and when they enter any gambling shop even when they mean no harm their appearance alone will scare people aware and they will be uncomfortable to gamble in that place because anyone who is confirm not to be on their right might their behavior can't be predicted and as such people should be careful with them.

If the casino will push a ban, that will be most likely because of their behavior in the casino site, not because of how they dress or how they look like when gambling. There are some people who are not really cautious of how they look physically, because as long as they don’t harm others and they’re not giving other gamblers a hassle, I guess that would be fine.

But when it comes to unusual or unethical behavior presented in the gambling site, of course the casino staff should make an action to that. Not just for the sake of other gamblers, but also for the sake of that person as he might be losing all his money without knowing in the first place why he lose them all, that he’s not consciously aware that he gamble them all.
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