Topic: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? - page 17. (Read 2395 times)

With what you’ve explained in your post, this person is not mentally unstable but he is just a lazy person that can take good care of himself or someone experiencing poverty. If he keeps coming again and again without causing any trouble, I think the person is sound as well just like any other person coming in to place the bet.

My question now is, should poor people relent on gambling to help support and fend for themselves and family or not even try it at all because of the risk involved?

Appearance has no bearing on luck or ability to bet. The main thing is whether a person has the necessary financial and psychological capabilities. And one can engage in online betting without any clothes at all - because who will see? And if a person went to the casino and passed the dress code, he looks a priori respectable regardless of the opinion of the district

What does it actually you mean about mentally unstable OP?
As long as a gambler never goes against the rules or something he can still place his bets rightly, it is okay. In fact, the person who pointed out has never been violent so there is no reason he should be banned from playing, and who knows, with the help of gambling his condition never gets worse. Gambling welcomes everyone, if you have money and you know how to gamble, well, you can play.

The casino owners see that the person wants to play despite his condition which gives him happiness. Why we should not let it happen?

It is hard to figure out what's unstable gambler looks like I have seen gamblers who look and dress like a professional but have unstable judgment when it comes to gambling I have seen gamblers like those in your description who have good behavior like in your description, it is unfair to judge based on they look, they want to be unkempt so who are to judge these people, as long as they have good behavior and are not insulting or hurting anyone in the vicinity.
We should not discriminate against these people, gambling, and betting are for everyone and all walks of life.
The gambling operator will be happy to accept their bets it's the same money coming in from the other bettors.

of course with the answer yes, that a person who is mentally unstable can gamble, because there are no rules that limit such things in any casino as far as I know, and I think that his mentality is not so severe that he can still behave well and not do negative things both in the gambling environment and his place of activity, so I think why the guard allowed the person to gamble because he knew that the person was not dangerous for the casino or other customers in the casino. And it can be seen that the person is only mentally affected not chronically which can make his logic completely dead.

But morally, I don't see that having to see that person going in and out of gambling every week to do gambling without having any winnings, so that it's like there is no other purpose in life, if it's me, I think it's better to hold it and treat it.

Is the way a person dress the basis if he's mentally unstable or not? Because as long as the person is behaving fine I don't think dressing shabbily is an issue (even his appearance is not as presentable as others). In op's story, the gambler act normally. It's just that, those seeing this guy might question his mental condition due to his physical appearance.

Anyway, observing is not enough to bar a person from gambling, it should be proven that he has a mental condition. That's the time they can apply whatever rules they have to protect their business to any violation for letting someone play even he's not in his right mind.

That's true, as you said that we can't if we only judge someone in terms of their appearance, because sometimes there are a lot of speculations and assumptions that don't match the facts, or that means they look bad or shabby but actually have a good personality and behavior and on the other hand sometimes the opposite is true, there are those who look good wearing a jaz with a tie but have very bad behavior or nature and often harm others, for that problem it is true. But on the other hand the casino is a place that is often visited by many visitors, although the officers never judge someone in terms of appearance but I think if there are people who have that appearance there is nothing wrong if the officers suspect them, because as we know in general the appearance of slums is always synonymous with crazy people or having mental disorders as we often see on the outskirts of the road.

So it is natural in my opinion if the officers are suspicious because obviously if the suspicion is correct in the sense that they are people who have mental disorders then obviously it will have the possibility or potential to disturb the comfort of other visitors in the casino, but on the other hand in the case said by the OP the person did not have any problems since he came there and always obeyed the rules like normal visitors, that's good and no problem but in my opinion if there are people we have just seen and look like that then it doesn't hurt to be suspicious and put on alert.

Its shallow to determine a gambler's worth or intentions by their clothes. Although behaviour matters more than clothes, the casino's non-discriminatory attire code is admirable. Here, society's distorted reliance on appearances is evident.

Officers are essential to a healthy gambling environment. They must be vigilant for unruly customers regardless of outfit. Conduct matters, not clothes. As someone familiar with gaming dynamics, I think this approach is vital to a courteous, fun gambling environment.

Finally, the idea that shabby-dressed people could be wealthy defies prejudices. Remember that appearances can be deceiving, so never underestimate anybody solely on their appearance. This perspective enhances our awareness of human variation and life's unpredictability.

First things first, you can't judge a book by its cover, so just because someone's physical appearance isn't so good, it doesn't mean that they are mentally unstable or anything unless you have other evidence of them being that way which isn't the case from what I've read in your thread since even the attendant said that he has never misbehaved or said anything that would indicate that he is mentally unstable or unsound. So, that remark doesn't sound logical to me.

That being said, if there is such a rule, it should only be applicable if the person doesn't know what they are doing and it should be evident from their behaviour. You said the guy made his bets in a very coordinated manner which means that he was pretty sound and knew what he was doing. So, I don't think that the betting attendant can refuse their money and say they can't allow them to gamble when they are sound about what they are doing.

I think that mental health challenges has different levels, because I've heard some mentally challenged people talk sensibly and keep out of trouble , and I've always wondered that if a person like this can talk sense and behave well then why is he looking so dirty and unkempt. So the way I see it if a mentally unstable person enters a bet shop and behaves himself, places his bet and leaves, then that shouldn't be a problem, it shows that he still has his behavioral sanity in place. Personally I wouldn't encourage such a person to gamble, but bet shops wouldn't care about conditions so far the customer has money to pay.

Family and friends of such mentally unstable people like the one in discussion should make sure that they get psychiatrist help before they might reach an uncontrollable level of insanity. Depression, drug abuse, medical conditions can make a person to lose parts of their sanity, so I believe that it's help that people like that needs.

If you see a person who is not well-dressed and looks good, do you need to be judged him quickly as mentally unstable? We have no right to judge a person based on physical appearance. As you heard from the attendant, He's a regular customer and he never shown any behavior as unpleasantly as you think. I think there's nothing wrong for him to go and play in a bet shop, most especially that he never did anything wrong from the start.

Yes, everyone has the right to gamble even if he is mentally unstable or homeless, after all we do not have the right to prohibit it, let alone regulate it, although we can give him advice, but still, if he is used to doing it as a habit, it will certainly be difficult to stop. Look at how the officer didn't stop him, that doesn't mean the officer never gave him advice, but it seems he still gambled at the gambling house.

If he is used to it and is good at managing his finances well because he often visits gambling houses, it is certain that he is an addicted gambler so it is difficult to stop him. Moreover, we cannot limit him as long as he doesn't really create chaos in the gambling house. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact we are the ones who it was wrong to stop him and he had the right to choose whether to gamble or not.

I don't even imagine what gross mistakes in money management a player can make while under drugs. I have heard many times about players who drank alcohol and as a result lost all their money, after which they borrowed the maximum amount that friends and acquaintances could give him, after which he lost all this. I understand that this is a great emotional release for someone, but such fun is so expensive that you can even lose your apartment. So if you play at the casino, then only with a clear mind.

Yes definitely, at least morally and ethically the casinos has a duty to protect their customers. There is a big difference between someone willingly gambling with all his savings and someone having a psychotic episode and acts irresponsible. There is so much supervision at the casino to protect them from theft and cheating, that they should realise quickly if a customer has a medical or psychological condition. There are a lot of studies taken into considerion of human behavior to try and detect things like card counting quickly. Which is why casinos have ways to detect customers acting strange. It's also a security risk for other customers as psychotic episode could turn violent quickly if there are more trigger events.

I'll tell you this, "physically observing" is not enough. Someone can appear mental to some people while being a leader of a nation at the same time. Not allowing to such person access to a casino may cause international conflict, you know.

But if seriously I don't know if it's actually legal to bar from entrance people with dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard?

How will CASINO employee be able to determine if a person is mentally challenged? They lack the qualifications to make such a determination, and should concentrate on doing the job that they were employed to do.. checking ID's and also making sure banned and self-excluded people do not enter the establishment.

I think I will be doing an experiment soon.... giving a homeless person $100 and sending him into a casino.. to see if they discriminate against certain people.  

To answer this question you first need to define what mental is. Why is mental illness or mental instability. Did you know that there are many people who are mentally unstable. These people are our colleagues at work, friends at school, neighbors, and even some folks on this forum are exhibiting it. You already know.
You do not need to be violent to be categorize as a mentally ill person. In extreme cases, it is only a schizophrenic person that violent and this is when they are not in any medication to suppress the violent personality.
As long as the mentally ill person is not being disruptive, is conducting themselves appropriately and decently, there is no need to bar them from gambling if that is the little thing that gives them joy.

Most mentally unstable people can't do gambling, they have lost part of their senses, how can they place bet on any game? Even if they can what will they use the money to do? Because mentally unstable people that I have seen struggles to even have a good conversation with stable people, there are different levels of mentally unstable, and the best ones out of all are those that can't control their emotions, but that part of losing focus on their surroundings and thinking about something that's not there is very common in them, they can't survive any gambling, it will only add more problem to their lives.

Mind you, not all those who are mentally ill dresses in rags, some actually still have that well being desire in them, they will come in good clothing and you will only know that they are mentally unstable with their behaviour in the public, if someone like them visits the casino for the first time I am sure they won't be allowed into the casino the next time, they are trouble makers and they don't even know it, due to their condition.

Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? No, I don't think so because gambling involves money and people should be mentally stable in my opinion especially in emotions because when you cannot control your emotions you will hit by an endless storm of the gambling world.

But of course, there are people who agree that people with mentally unstable should do gamble but those are just my opinion

Yes, that means the casino can accept someone in shabby clothes to come and gamble in the casino. Based on what has been said, the guy didn't make a scene in his casino, so the officers didn't mind if he gambled. Moreover, after gambling, he will leave the casino straight away without making a fuss about other people who are also in the casino and gambling. Unless the person often disturbs other players and makes a fuss, perhaps the officers will no longer allow him to gamble at the casino. Not all people who dress shabbily indeed have mental disorders because there could be people who dress shabbily. But he turns out to be a millionaire who gambles and doesn't want anyone to recognize him in gambling so he decides to dress shabbily. The important thing is that everything will be fine if the person doesn't disturb other players.

The officers at the casino must have recognized the people who were their regular customers because that was their job. And I think there are even people who dress neatly but often disturb people who are gambling and the officers have to be firm with them and will not allow them to return to gambling at the casino. Anyone can come to the casino as long as they are old enough to gamble and not disturb other people. The officers who work at the casino look after this because they also want to avoid any problems while they work there.