Topic: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? - page 17. (Read 2528 times)

I don't think there is any rule that bans people who are mentally disabled from placing their bet, and just like you said, the person might not even be totally disabled; maybe it's just situations that make him appear the way that he is.
 
Someone who knows how to walk into the bet shop, make his own prediction, place the bet, make payment, and leave quietly without even causing any trouble does not look ill to me, and he also does some manual jobs around the area to raise money, which means he has bills to pay that do not look like the attitude of someone who is having mental issues.
 
The only place where I might think the law will be against is a situation where the person behaves abnormally all the time, not just by his appearance but also by his attitude towards people, doing all manner of violent things. People like that are not supposed to be allowed into a betting shop as they might end up destroying properties rather than just placing a bet and leaving.

By the way how did a mentally unstable person find his or her way to the casino or betting house. It is not alright though but I think if a mentally unstable person goes to the casino, it would be very noticeable and that might cost the casino their clients so they would try their possible means to stop them because of anything happens and the government gets involved, they would be held responsible and liable to be fined for their actions.

In this case of your observations, I think the cashier or whomever that attended to him has long known him. Maybe his physical outlook seems to be what you think makes him mentally unstable that is why we are told to not judge a book by its cover.

People are really just that judgmental on which there are things which arent really that ethical on doing so just because they are not mentally stable then they dont have the right on playing? For sure casino owners would really be drawing out that border line on which if things turns out to have involvement about harassment or some scandalous kind of acts then it would be normal that they would really be kicking out a certain individual on such place and wont really be letting to enter the premises again on which it would really be just that a normal step that they would really be taking.It is really just that its too much if they would be banning out
directly without having some proper assessment on the situation. If there's nothing he had done then they are really that free to play and spend all they want.

We know that into this business, owners would really be much preferring into those people who are really that having those gambling problems because this is where they could really be able to make money
on which into those people who are really that impulsive already with gambling activity since they do know that spending would really be that too impulsive into this time.

However, I see no offense on that if an unstable or mentally ill person gamble, moreover before someone will open a betting shop, that that means the person is not there to joke, business is business, as long as the gambler who is mentally ill is not owing the cashier then there is no need for them to stop the person not to gamble.
Despite the dressing, of the person is not there to cause trouble, they should allow the person to gamble but he will have a limit.
I have seen some alcoholic addict that still buys drink and get drunk, and the sellers are still selling alcoholic drinks for the person. And you know drinkers and addicted gamblers are almost the same set of people.

You know one funny thing about mentally challenged people, if you tell them they are unfit and mentally not okay, do you know they will insult you and will want to fight you for trying to label them what they are not. They will never accept such profiling. They are adult and the fact that they recognize gambling and the want to play, I don't think any person has tbe right to stop them, everyone came their for fun right.

If a person is not stable upstairs, it is the responsibility of the guardian to watch over him, it's their responsibility to watch over their ways of life because even in casinos and other gambling platforms, you will hardly see them differentiate between female and male, as long as you are 18+ and you have the money, you are welcome. I haven't see exclusion of mad people or financially disable people from not gambling. The gambling companies don't have time to be baby sitting any customer because they are after the money.

If we do speak about being mentally unstable then it is really that something that you could really be able to spot on on the way that someone who do behaves on which it would really be just that normal that they would really be having those acts or behavior on which it would really be reflecting out on the condition that they are currently experiencing. They cant really just that able to hide it specially if its really that severe.
There are ones who are really that able to control their gestures but there are ones who dont really care about the surroundings or saying of other people as long they would really be able to play and would do on the things that they do really have in mind. Some are really that not losing their composure even if they are already on losing side.

There are really people who are really that still good when it comes into their control and discipline and this is how should someone really be that responsible on the things that they are really that doing.
They cant really just that make themselves able to afford on letting themselves laughable into other peoples eyes and this is why they are really that careful into their acts.

Maybe this was a misunderstanding from the OP's observant eyes that led to this topic, but I can agree that about mentally unstable people (people with mental illness, crazy,...) they can harm themselves and those around them, and it is best to create their own entertainment space that may involve gambling.

But imo, people's appearance is not a measure, but most of us rely on it to judge someone's wealth/poorness or, as OP observes here, their state of being god, but I can speculate that the case here is that the man in the story did not have much money and perhaps gambling was the only way he knew of to generate income, but ironically it was like a trap, hopefully he's not a gambling addict either.

Since you've mentioned the guy that didn't dress well, I don't think that this is all about the way he dress for assuming that he's mentally unstable or ill. But going straight to the question without the relation of the story you've mentioned, there's always the ground where the casino can stop someone from entering their premises. If that person does a lot of crazy things inside their premises, they all have the might to stop and ban him whether he is mentally unstable or not. But if it's just by the looks and judging like that, there can be some retaliate that person can do based on how he will be judged by just simply observing it without proper proofs.

the question is why would someone build a gambling business?
well, to this question there is an answer if it is about income. I mean gambling is built to make a profit and as long as someone who enters the casino does not do evil or disturb other gamblers and is also able to pay for his own gambling it is not a problem.
because I understand that all of that is a risk for the person even though he is mentally or physically unstable but if he knows the etiquette like entering a casino you have to pay and he also spends money on his gambling that's normal for me as long as it doesn't make him worse it seems like that does not matter.

but logically, we as sane people would definitely have the idea that the man was actually not allowed to gamble because mentally it was very pitiful, but however, as long as there are no rules, the casino has the right to allow anyone to gamble as long as they use money they can afford to lose.

I mean that was just a normal kind of guy in the casino right? For the most part a lot of people playing a lot in the casino have that kind of mindset and just want to gamble and gamble daily and doesnt really care about where they are going to get the money if they lose it that time. I mean if you are concerned about unstable people for sure they wouldn't be allowed to go outside if they have some kind of unstable mind, you just judge that guy from his appearance but maybe that's just the way he is.

Whatever it is that you are concerned about the casino can handle it, most casinos have a lot of rules so if he did something against that rule he is for sure going to be banned from that establishment or probably gonna go to jail if did get violent on some cases just because he was losing money. But probably people that weren't good at decision-making were the people this casino wanted to play so that they could easily get hooked by gambling.

It seems to me that when it comes to making money, no one cares how you dress, how mentally healthy you are, or what your financial situation is. In my opinion, if you pay attention to the mental state of every client, you simply will not be able to make money. In my opinion, this is the harsh conditions of business, where if you show weakness, your place will be taken by competitors very quickly.

I don't know if you're aware of the person Op is describing in his thread, but from what I read which led to my response, Op said he does a manual job. I'm not in Op's location nor do I know the man, so not in the right place to push further with your response, which says he has no job. However, he doesn't have a job, I mean continuing from your response, I have things to add. A beggar that uses his money to gamble, I think is deceiving the society or not in deep need to be a beggar. For a person to beg, he has nothing, no food, no family to provide for him, etc. It's not common to find a beggar who uses charity from others to gamble, maybe he's not comfortable with what the people are giving him or is turning begging into a full-time job. People who are worried about the dressing of another person in a specific environment don't understand the differences in people.

Personally, looks and dress shouldn't bother people. Their business there is to book games and go, and if they're not comfortable with the type of people visiting the gaming house they can stop going as you said. Which shouldn't be a problem for the agent. The customers there must find a fault, regardless. Finding a fault from another customer as a reason to stop patronizing the agent should also be tagged a personal problem or lack of emotional intelligence provided the customer isn't aggressive, fighting, or destroying their property. What matters is the serenity of the environment. How would you feel if in a barber shop, you walked in and found the same man being barbed in the same seat you'd sit next to Barb, would you leave the environment or not? I'm asking this to be able to understand your behavior toward such people, not just about what other people would do or say. I'm not sure if you are close to Op or have seen the man in his story.

There is always an ethical obligation which should be followed, but not everyone is ethical in life.

Moral obligation will depend on what the morals of the society where you are inserted are. If the morals of your community dictate it's wrong to let mentally unstable people who are clearly suffering from mental issues to gamble, then there is a moral obligation involved as well to not let that man go ahead, while guiding him to support where he can be treated and cared accordingly to his currently needs. It's not normal someone to be ragged gambling around, even though he isn't creating any messes for the gambling shop.

Legal obligation will also depend on the local set of laws and rules of your society. That is the kind of research you have to do regards your local country specifically or ask a professional from the judiciary system for accurate answers. In my country there are legal obligations to be followed in this case, not exactly by the shop owner, but by the government, and social assistance would be immediately triggered to talk and investigate the life of this individual: who he is, where he lives, where his family is, if he suffers from mental illness and so on...

These are a common thing that often happens in real-life casinos. Did you notice that almost every casino has a bar? They serve beer and other drinks to players and they take it happily? Even if a player is winning, they never should take these drinks even if they are used to taking these drinks. These drinks make them drunk and then they lose control over themself, which leads them to make the wrong decision.

You never know what is going to happen in a casino. Your closest friend could rob you there and have fun. After losing a big amount and then realizing how much they have lost, it's not hard for a person to have a brain stroke that could make them mentally unstable.

With what you’ve explained in your post, this person is not mentally unstable but he is just a lazy person that can take good care of himself or someone experiencing poverty. If he keeps coming again and again without causing any trouble, I think the person is sound as well just like any other person coming in to place the bet.

My question now is, should poor people relent on gambling to help support and fend for themselves and family or not even try it at all because of the risk involved?

Appearance has no bearing on luck or ability to bet. The main thing is whether a person has the necessary financial and psychological capabilities. And one can engage in online betting without any clothes at all - because who will see? And if a person went to the casino and passed the dress code, he looks a priori respectable regardless of the opinion of the district

What does it actually you mean about mentally unstable OP?
As long as a gambler never goes against the rules or something he can still place his bets rightly, it is okay. In fact, the person who pointed out has never been violent so there is no reason he should be banned from playing, and who knows, with the help of gambling his condition never gets worse. Gambling welcomes everyone, if you have money and you know how to gamble, well, you can play.

The casino owners see that the person wants to play despite his condition which gives him happiness. Why we should not let it happen?

It is hard to figure out what's unstable gambler looks like I have seen gamblers who look and dress like a professional but have unstable judgment when it comes to gambling I have seen gamblers like those in your description who have good behavior like in your description, it is unfair to judge based on they look, they want to be unkempt so who are to judge these people, as long as they have good behavior and are not insulting or hurting anyone in the vicinity.
We should not discriminate against these people, gambling, and betting are for everyone and all walks of life.
The gambling operator will be happy to accept their bets it's the same money coming in from the other bettors.

of course with the answer yes, that a person who is mentally unstable can gamble, because there are no rules that limit such things in any casino as far as I know, and I think that his mentality is not so severe that he can still behave well and not do negative things both in the gambling environment and his place of activity, so I think why the guard allowed the person to gamble because he knew that the person was not dangerous for the casino or other customers in the casino. And it can be seen that the person is only mentally affected not chronically which can make his logic completely dead.

But morally, I don't see that having to see that person going in and out of gambling every week to do gambling without having any winnings, so that it's like there is no other purpose in life, if it's me, I think it's better to hold it and treat it.

Is the way a person dress the basis if he's mentally unstable or not? Because as long as the person is behaving fine I don't think dressing shabbily is an issue (even his appearance is not as presentable as others). In op's story, the gambler act normally. It's just that, those seeing this guy might question his mental condition due to his physical appearance.

Anyway, observing is not enough to bar a person from gambling, it should be proven that he has a mental condition. That's the time they can apply whatever rules they have to protect their business to any violation for letting someone play even he's not in his right mind.