Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 3.

suchmoon

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Quote from: mindrust on December 26, 2023, 11:26:44 AM

He could have kept the situation under control till he sold the account.

The alleged sale likely took place early in the drama and before the mixer ban, so the account was still very lucrative. Don't feel bad for Ratimov, I'm sure he made some decent coin out of this and is spinning up a new merit farm as we speak.

digaran

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Anyone knows how many red tags were removed when he deleted them all? Back in the days I had an offer of 0.02 per case and price was $1000 per BTC, now lets just say $200 per tag, I won not one case, but so many of them like a class action. Now who said I can't do it?
If you need my evidence, tell me so I can provide them step by step, after 5 years I did it. 😉 remember not to challenge a deranged jobless clown.

mindrust

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Quote from: paid2 on December 26, 2023, 11:21:09 AM

Quote from: mrust_mobile on December 26, 2023, 06:26:49 AM

He could have sold his account in secret and do a homerun but he wanted all the fireworks instead Grin

It looks like he did both Grin

The account is pretty much ruined though. I don't think the buyer paid the top dollar for the account. The only thing usable there is the huge amount of smerits (since he is not a merit source) and they are all tainted now. Every time he sends them, the receiving user will look like an alt of him.

He could have kept the situation under control till he sold the account.

suchmoon

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Quote from: mrust_mobile on December 26, 2023, 06:26:49 AM

He could have sold his account in secret and do a homerun but he wanted all the fireworks instead Grin

If he sold the account he doesn't have to care anymore if it's a secret or a firework. Fucked the buyer probably, or maybe not because the buyer seems to have profitably absconded with some signature money if I'm reading the latest nonsense correctly, but either way it's not like account buyers add any value to the forum.

paid2

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Quote from: mrust_mobile on December 26, 2023, 06:26:49 AM

He could have sold his account in secret and do a homerun but he wanted all the fireworks instead Grin

It looks like he did both Grin

mrust_mobile

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He could have sold his account in secret and do a homerun but he wanted all the fireworks instead Grin

GazetaBitcoin

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Quote from: nutildah on December 26, 2023, 04:54:00 AM

safe to say the story is over.

I guess the story will be really over after Halab's contest ends... I feel some more things will happen after the contest announces its winners.

Quote from: nutildah on December 26, 2023, 04:54:00 AM

As he committed forum self-immolation in spectacular fashion, there's really no point to continue to stomp around on his charred remains.

You are right. I will discontinue these updates until the end of that contest...

nutildah

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He deleted all his trust ratings, withdrew all his flags, is no longer eligible for DT & hasn't logged in since Dec 11th, safe to say the story is over.

As he committed forum self-immolation in spectacular fashion, there's really no point to continue to stomp around on his charred remains.

GazetaBitcoin

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Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 32 users trust him, while 61 distrust him.
- bubbalex and imhoneer stopped trusting him, while FatFork and digaran distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 34 users (including 1 from DT1) from which only 13 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, madnessteat, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, Best_Change, KTChampions.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 20, 2023, 09:39:43 AM

Where does it say that if you think a deal with a user is high risk but he already has two feedbacks he doesn't need any more?

In my post Tongue

Seriously though, it's up to any potential trade partner to make apply their own judgement of the feedback on an account. I used neutral so it's a warning without harsh consequences. That may change in the future, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ratimov doesn't return.

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I completely disagree with this. Feedback have a date and for me if someone had a successful trade with Ratimov in the past he should not delete what he wrote, simply if he thinks he is high risk now he should add negative feedback as of today.

I'd say: "it depends". User yogg went from +32 / =0 / -0 a year ago to # +13 / =0 / -43 now. This means the majority of DT removed their positive feedback.
On the other hand, there's this account, where RHavar left positive feedback in 2016, and negative feedback in 2019. This way, it shows a timeline of events and going from trusted to untrusted.

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You are asking others to do what you do not want to do: to enhance the danger of trading risk. You prefer it to be enhanced by deleting old positive feedback instead of adding current negative feedback.

It's more that I don't think the old feedback still applies.

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I guess we agree to disagree on this.

Agreed

I love democracy

Poker Player

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 20, 2023, 06:36:17 AM

I considered it, but I also try to be conservative with negative feedback.

Really? I would never have imagined it. Tongue

Quote from: LoyceV on December 20, 2023, 06:36:17 AM

For now, I think 2 DT-negatives are already a strong warning for anyone not to deal with the account.

Where does it say that if you think a deal with a user is high risk but he already has two feedbacks he doesn't need any more? I just read:

Quote from: LoyceV on December 20, 2023, 04:57:19 AM

For anyone who left Ratimov positive feedback in the past: Let me put it this way: would you trust Ratimov again now? I think "trading with this person is high-risk" applies at the moment, and for that, changing historic positive feedback can help protect others.

I completely disagree with this. Feedback have a date and for me if someone had a successful trade with Ratimov in the past he should not delete what he wrote, simply if he thinks he is high risk now he should add negative feedback as of today.

You are asking others to do what you do not want to do: to enhance the danger of trading risk. You prefer it to be enhanced by deleting old positive feedback instead of adding current negative feedback.

I guess we agree to disagree on this.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 20, 2023, 05:48:19 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on December 20, 2023, 05:32:12 AM

If trading with Ratimov Symmetrick is high risk then shouldn't this feedback be a negative one though?

Of course. And LoyceV is well aware of it.

I considered it, but I also try to be conservative with negative feedback. For now, I think 2 DT-negatives are already a strong warning for anyone not to deal with the account.
We'll see if the sponsorship-thing turns into a Flag by one of the winners next month. If it's created, I'll probably Support it.

Poker Player

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on December 20, 2023, 05:32:12 AM

If trading with Ratimov Symmetrick is high risk then shouldn't this feedback be a negative one though?

Of course. And LoyceV is well aware of it.

GazetaBitcoin

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 20, 2023, 04:57:19 AM

I left Ratimov (now Symmetrick^*) neutral feedback:

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[...] would you trust this account again now? I don't. I think trading with this person is high-risk. Read the Reference topic.

If trading with Ratimov Symmetrick is high risk then shouldn't this feedback be a negative one though?

LoyceV

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I left Ratimov (now Symmetrick^*) neutral feedback:

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I'll counter all the positive feedback Ratimov received. He deleted half his Merited posts, all feedback and Flag Support. He changed his nickname. After lots of name calling, he ignored all accusations made against him. He stopped posting in English. Some say the account changed ownership. He backed out of a $1600 sponsorship. I don't know what's going on, but I'm certain his attitude towards the forum changed. Let me put it this way for users who left positive feedback: would you trust this account again now? I don't. I think trading with this person is high-risk. Read the Reference topic.

I had to squeeze it to fit the 600 character limit.

For anyone who left Ratimov positive feedback in the past: Let me put it this way: would you trust Ratimov again now? I think "trading with this person is high-risk" applies at the moment, and for that, changing historic positive feedback can help protect others.

^* Normally, I respect name changes for privacy, but in this case, I don't think it's right to change your username right before you abandon the English boards and shortly after that stop posting entirely.

GazetaBitcoin

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Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 34 users trust him, while 59 distrust him.
- nimogsm, sky999, my luck and Snork1979 stopped trusting him, while DaveF (DT1), witcher_sense (DT1), CryptoPravda and sky999 distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 34 users (including 3 from DT1) from which only 15 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, bubbalex, madnessteat, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

dkbit98

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on December 15, 2023, 11:20:48 AM

The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already.

I am sure that was not the real Ratimov, he is long gone, and now person who purchased account from him is also gone (most likely) forever.
As much as original Ratimov was not perfect I don't think he would ever become scammer like this.
Let's calculate how much this guy earned... for six months of doing nothing, it was probably between $3600 and $6000 worth of Bitcoin, minus amount he paid to Ratimov for account purchase.
Doing individual deal with account like this that changed hands was... very high risk.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on December 15, 2023, 11:20:48 AM

I guess it doesn't matter too much from where the money came from. Could be from Royse, from Tumbler themselves or from Lauda's uncle, lol. The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already. This is why I said that.

Actually, I was writing to LoyceV because he said this;

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Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama?

But I also mentioned you so you also read this. In case LoyceV wanted to say that it was a bad decision from Royse because they hired Symmertrick after all that drama, I wanted to correct him that it wasn't him who made the decision. But yes, regarding the payment, no matter who paid that, if symmertrick does not pay back, I guess we might see several red tags on his profile.

AB de Royse777

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I still haven't heard anything negative about Symmetrick from [banned mixer] team. If there are any negative thing happen then I am sure I will be the first person who will know about it. So, right now it looks all good until there is any update.

digaran

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So sir Royse777, tell us, has he teleported to your new safe haven yet to continue the campaign or not?

And if he has received $3000 or more, doesn't necessarily mean he ran off with the money, he could have returned the money or even made a new deal with them, but regardless of what is going on, nobody other than tumbler service can accuse him for scam, so I'd suggest everyone to refrain accusing him for things you are not a part of. Since this is between a service and symm alone.

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