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Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 8. (Read 9810 times)

legendary
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November 24, 2023, 05:46:33 PM

You can also look at it from the point of view that this sponsorship was an investment in his rating here on the forum. Now that that rating has been destroyed, it makes no sense for them to put money into it.
Isn't this an extra argument for negative feedback, if he did that for the sole purpose of increasing his reputation?


I might be wrong, but when I saw this thread a couple of days ago, Symmetrick's name was not present--and I'm not even sure I've seen that username before.
You definitely didn't see that name before as Ratimov changed name 3 days ago.


Now after sleeping on it for a few minutes, you could argue that people mostly joined the contest because of that money
While I don't think that money he added drastically affected amount of participants, it is nevertheless a shitty thing that he just did.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 05:32:20 PM
Hey, Halab, good initiative. Let me support your competition as a sponsor.

So far the prizes are:

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1st : 0.0030 BTC
2nd : 0.0015 BTC
3rd : 0.0005 BTC

As a sponsor, I will add the following amounts to the prize money:

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1st : 0.027 BTC
2nd : 0.0135 BTC
3rd : 0.007 BTC

In total, taking into account the prize money from Halab+ Ratimov, the following prizes are obtained:

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1st : 0.03 BTC
2nd : 0.015 BTC
3rd : 0.0075 BTC

Good luck to all!



Sponsor definition: N a person or organization that pays for or contributes to the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising:

V provide funds for (a project or activity or the person carrying it out):

SOURCE

Donation definition: something that is given to a charity, especially a sum of money

Sponsoring something means you are pledging the money. It is a contractual obligation IMO if you sponsor something with a prize or with money. If he had used the word donation and not give an amount at the time, then he could decide the donation whenever he pleased although I wouldn't advise anyone join a competition or contest with the prize up in the air like that. I think he is breaching a contract and deserves feedback honestly. Had he decided after a day or week to change the amount or not to sponsor, then he would prob be fine, but to wait til nearly over and stop the sponsorship because of his drama on the forum is ridiculous.

I am going to consider a tag but want to hear other opinions. Seems very wrong to me, but maybe i'm in the wrong?
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November 24, 2023, 04:48:35 PM
Now after sleeping on it for a few minutes, you could argue that people mostly joined the contest because of that money, I initially looked at OP alone and saw "donated", but after seeing the merits and "sponsor" on his post, I realized this was the moment that he f'ed up.

Though the only benefit was the merits, however from a moral standpoint, this is the same as not delivering what was promised, but legally, I don't know if a post could be considered as a contract.

And now if anyone wants to have a sweet revenge, this is the time, because by community standards(bounty, signature campaigns not honoring the deal warrants for a flag as well) this is good to go.
Edit: I forgot to say, you have the option of forgiving as well.

Such a waste of so much merits.😶
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 04:44:20 PM
You two are right there. I failed to understand the donation part. The feedback has been removed.
Props to you for acknowledging an error instead of doubling down for ego reasons like most people do.  That's to be respected IMO.

But Jesus, I'll have to go back and read everything again since it looks like there's been some drama added to the already-existing drama, or at least an attempt to escalate the pre-existing drama.  I might be wrong, but when I saw this thread a couple of days ago, Symmetrick's name was not present--and I'm not even sure I've seen that username before.

Is there an established correlation between the price of bitcoin and the level of forum drama?  I've not done the analysis myself, but if I had to guess...
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Ratimov reduced the pledged amount by 0.0435 BTC, currently worth $1649, after 90% of the contest's running time passed. And although I'm nowhere near winning this contest, I find this extremely disappointing to do. At least it earned him another 22 Merits posting this. He must have forgotton to delete that post. Let me archive it for him.

You don't just break promises in a community because you're having a tantrum!
WTF is he doing!?   Roll Eyes
I am he is really digging his own hole deeper and deeper every new day.
Nobody forced him to sponsor any competition, so changing his mind like this is unacceptable, and I can see some members even giving him negative feedback because of this.
As if we didn't have enough drama so far...
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 04:22:31 PM
I can see why participants wouldn't want to raise the flag here

You could even argue that a flag type 3 is warranted but only if raised by a participant, I mean, if I was told that if I participate and do a,b,c I could win some x prize, and after that you decide that you no longer want to give me my potential prize,  you have certainly violated a contract.

Such actions should be frowned upon, or else, someone can start a thread saying they will give away 10 btc for the winner, gets a ton of merit for being generous to the community, and then a few weeks before payment time, they pull the plug.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 04:00:06 PM
Did participants spend more of their time on that contest? Or just their spare time?
Did he send the donated amount to the host?
Technically if the host was holding the funds but returned them to him, the host violated the terms of contract.

None of it matters. If you promise to pay me for doing nothing and then you don't, you would still be in breach of contract even if it's my "spare time". Sending or not sending the money in advance also has nothing to do with it.

Even if you wanted to blame the donor, he could file for bankruptcy and claim there were people in line to get paid with actual written contracts and that legally they were the priority, then your fantasy forum rules would make no sense to warrant a flag.😉 

Donor LOL

Sym-whatshisname said "sponsor". That's very different from "donor". Sponsorship is very likely to be a contract because it implies that the sponsor is receiving something in return. Words matter. No one forced him to call it that, his choice, his contract, his failure to execute.

I can see why participants wouldn't want to raise the flag here but that doesn't mean that you need to start making things up to justify that, like bankruptcy Roll Eyes ... there is no bankruptcy, there is just a disgruntled user trying to turn everything he touched into shit.
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November 24, 2023, 11:17:34 AM
There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.

If you say "I'm sponsoring this and here's how much I'll pay" is about as serious of a contract as it gets here on the forum. If I said something like this and then retracted it at the last minute, I'd expect to be flagged up the wazoo. Not sure where you see the difference between that and e.g. a signature campaign or some other promise to pay.
Did participants spend more of their time on that contest? Or just their spare time?
Did he send the donated amount to the host?
Technically if the host was holding the funds but returned them to him, the host violated the terms of contract.

Even if you wanted to blame the donor, he could file for bankruptcy and claim there were people in line to get paid with actual written contracts and that legally they were the priority, then your fantasy forum rules would make no sense to warrant a flag.😉 
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.

If you say "I'm sponsoring this and here's how much I'll pay" is about as serious of a contract as it gets here on the forum. If I said something like this and then retracted it at the last minute, I'd expect to be flagged up the wazoo. Not sure where you see the difference between that and e.g. a signature campaign or some other promise to pay.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 10:13:13 AM
I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

examplen is right! The side bet deal we had and what Symmetrick offered are two distinct scenarios that must be handled separately.

If I fail to keep our side bet as agreed, I may be considered a trade risk individual for breach of contract.

What Symmetrick had with Halab was nothing more than a volunteer donation, and he has every right to back out without repercussions;

The losers will pay the winners. I don't think anyone will avoid a trade risk feedback if they do not honer the bets.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.
So it is a donation, a bonus, there is no trade or bet on his part.
You two are right there. I failed to understand the donation part. The feedback has been removed.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 10:04:15 AM
The losers will pay the winners. I don't think anyone will avoid a trade risk feedback if they do not honer the bets.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.
So it is a donation, a bonus, there is no trade or bet on his part.

Maybe in his anger, he will try to deceive someone, but that is just biased speculation and not enough for a negative tag.

You can also look at it from the point of view that this sponsorship was an investment in his rating here on the forum. Now that that rating has been destroyed, it makes no sense for them to put money into it.
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November 24, 2023, 10:00:34 AM
I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

examplen is right! The side bet deal we had and what Symmetrick offered are two distinct scenarios that must be handled separately.

If I fail to keep our side bet as agreed, I may be considered a trade risk individual for breach of contract.

What Symmetrick had with Halab was nothing more than a volunteer donation, and he has every right to back out without repercussions; you can't tag him "trade risk" for failing to deliver on his donation. He may have backed out for a variety of reasons, and he owes no one an explanation. Your tag is crossedline Imo.

I'm not interested in drama, I'm only here cause you @Me.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 09:33:50 AM
Certainly, this is not correct negative feedback. He didn't harm anyone here, he didn't even send those coins. His promise was voluntary and a kind of donation and you cannot accuse someone for withdrawing his self-initiated donation.
He can always say that he urgently needs the money and that he cannot afford it at the moment.
flumpnuggets is going to pay me 1mbtc for sure LOL
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62675295
Side bet of 1 mbtc with Igebotz.

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Arsenal fails to win [which they will] the season title, Mouse gives me 1mbtc or I give 2.5mbtc. Side bet.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62681699
1 mbtc side bet with Little Mouse.

The losers will pay the winners. I don't think anyone will avoid a trade risk feedback if they do not honer the bets.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 09:18:52 AM
This warrants a negative feedback. He can not be trusted with any financial trade anymore. It is risky to involve in any trade with him.

When someone is promising to send funds to a community event or mutual betting with individuals, automatically it becomes mandatory to honer the deal.

I personally engage with many members in side bets [in premier league], when the word is out it must be honored that's how it works. I am using this post as a reference of the negative feedback I am about to write in him feedback page.

Certainly, this is not correct negative feedback. He didn't harm anyone here, he didn't even send those coins. His promise was voluntary and a kind of donation and you cannot accuse someone for withdrawing his self-initiated donation.
He can always say that he urgently needs the money and that he cannot afford it at the moment.

You don't just break promises in a community because you're having a tantrum!

Although I am of the same opinion, we cannot say with certainty that anger is the reason for this decision. In a fit of rage and renunciation of all forum things, he would renounce his input and leave the signature campaign. If it means $200 a week to him, why would he give up $1649.
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November 24, 2023, 08:33:07 AM
If you are going to do that, and believe it's the right thing to do, you should create a flag not trust feedback.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 08:24:18 AM
Ratimov changed his username, now he is Symmetrick  Roll Eyes
He keeps surprising me. I'm impressed Cheesy
In another surprising turn of events, he went from this:
Let me support your competition as a sponsor.
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As a sponsor, I will add the following amounts to the prize money:

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1st : 0.027 BTC
2nd : 0.0135 BTC
3rd : 0.007 BTC

To this:
I received a PM from Ratimov yesterday informing me that he no longer intends to honor his role as sponsor :
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Nevertheless, Ratimov added that Icopress owes a small debt of 0.004 to Ratimov. And this sum would be paid to me for the winners.
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Sorry for the disappointment, like you I'm suffering Ratimov's decision, but it's his decision.

Ratimov reduced the pledged amount by 0.0435 BTC, currently worth $1649, after 90% of the contest's running time passed. And although I'm nowhere near winning this contest, I find this extremely disappointing to do. At least it earned him another 22 Merits posting this. He must have forgotton to delete that post. Let me archive it for him.

You don't just break promises in a community because you're having a tantrum!
This warrants a negative feedback. He can not be trusted with any financial trade anymore. It is risky to involve in any trade with him.

When someone is promising to send funds to a community event or mutual betting with individuals, automatically it becomes mandatory to honer the deal.

I personally engage with many members in side bets [in premier league], when the word is out it must be honored that's how it works. I am using this post as a reference of the negative feedback I am about to write in him feedback page.
legendary
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November 24, 2023, 07:35:57 AM
Ratimov changed his username, now he is Symmetrick  Roll Eyes
He keeps surprising me. I'm impressed Cheesy
In another surprising turn of events, he went from this:
Let me support your competition as a sponsor.
~
As a sponsor, I will add the following amounts to the prize money:

Quote
1st : 0.027 BTC
2nd : 0.0135 BTC
3rd : 0.007 BTC

To this:
I received a PM from Ratimov yesterday informing me that he no longer intends to honor his role as sponsor :
~
Nevertheless, Ratimov added that Icopress owes a small debt of 0.004 to Ratimov. And this sum would be paid to me for the winners.
~
Sorry for the disappointment, like you I'm suffering Ratimov's decision, but it's his decision.

Ratimov reduced the pledged amount by 0.0435 BTC, currently worth $1649, after 90% of the contest's running time passed. And although I'm nowhere near winning this contest, I find this extremely disappointing to do. At least it earned him another 22 Merits posting this. He must have forgotton to delete that post. Let me archive it for him.

You don't just break promises in a community because you're having a tantrum!
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 12:51:55 PM
I would argue that anyone looking to "start over" with a name change should do exactly that. Start from the beginning, no rank, no merit, no post history.

Ratimov aka Symmetrick wants to start over, but with no remaining evidence of his plagiarism, no evidence remaining of his Trust abuse and also with 11000 merits and +18 Trust score. Like a baws.

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What do all these seem like?
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It called New Game+



edit : wow thank you! @theymos

Bear...! Bear...! Look who's here! Mansion got his name changed! Congratulation Paid2, I'm happy for you. And the name, I'm really happy you really go with that name!



[Ok, I've had enough derailing your thread this time, you can just ignore me, LOL]
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 12:44:55 PM
I see he also changed his password and email today...
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It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign
Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign Tongue

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?



And BitcoinGirl.Club
Shut up and stop spreading lies. Some may fail to understand the sarcasm.

LMAO!

Shall we call him Symmetrick Ratimov? Somewhere I read Ratimov is his last name.

In this guy's case everything looks shady. Even the new name, because "Symmetrick" contains the part "Trick"... Like he is trying another trick. Maybe his final trick before exiting the stage? Oo
legendary
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November 23, 2023, 09:32:43 AM
I see he also changed his password and email today...
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It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign
Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign Tongue
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