Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 5. (Read 9836 times)

There are no line to draw unless clear evidence that can warrant a negative feedback. No clear evidence, in my book there are doubts, when there are doubts, I think a neutral could be the best we can go.

Even when the main man thought it's 25% which is one forth of the equation, he still has not gone for a negative feedback. But some over enthusiastic members did not mind to leave negative feedback. That's where we can see the DT became to easy to gain.

I am not a Symmetrick Ratimov's fan, in fact if anyone looks back to the history, I am fairly sure that they will find I was one of the early Ratimov critic. His plagiarism and such things, as a result he never liked me. Many times his dis-likeness escalated in the reputation board. But even after all these, I still don't see there needs a red warrant where no clear evidences of him is not the original owner.

A wrong is always wrong. Just because a person has lost all his credibility does not mean we justify a wrong as right over him.

Was thinking the same.

Crazy when you realize that it started in AOBT topic. This is a good demonstration that when there's shit under the carpet, any little problem can bring it all back to the surface...

This was probably the fastest, steepest downfall of any well-established account, ever.

I can't believe he let what appeared to be a simple argument drag him all the way down to this level.

I also can't believe this thread has gone on for 19 pages, lol.

How much more evidence does one need that dealing with Ratmetric would be high risk?

Petulant deleting of posts, rescinding sponsorship ("donation" LOL), removing trust ratings/inclusions/exclusions, name change, e-mail/password change, the list goes on and on. Not even talking about the verbal attacks on anyone who dares to mention him (freedom of speech FTW).

Alleged sale of the account is just one of many issues with this user. I can't blame anyone for adding red trust - there is enough stuff going on with it to call it "high risk".

Where do we draw the line? In another case, theymos posted this:
That was enough for several red tags.

Massive merit abuse.

No one cares what you trust or not. Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account. Let's see what your feedback starts with
You are admitting very likely not operated.

Why do some of you take JollyGood as a standard, have your own standard to earn good value.

If you have too much problem with him and want to show it in his feedback page, then go with a neutral.

Normally I don't see the act of changing your email suspicious at all but combined with the accusations here it does add up as some form of evidence, although not exactly a strong form of evidence, still noteworthy to point out. Especially seeing that his password hasn't changed either or else the pop up would've shown. Even then someone could just be like "he used a personal password specifically for bitcointalk and gave it to the buyer".

As for the person who gave him the reputation being a DT Member, that I was unaware of. I read the thread you linked and it was actually pretty helpful since I finally got to see what "DT" was after seeing it used literally everywhere on the forum. I knew they were like some sort of group of trusted people who were highly respected in the community that expose scammers and those type of stuff. But I never knew what the term "DT" meant or what else they did. I thought the person giving out the reputation was a normal user up until you pointed this out. This is because I haven't used this forum actively enough to know everyone yet. Since he is a DT member then he definitely must've reviewed the evidence and thoroughly investigated the situation out. So in the end, maybe it is a good point to keep in afterall along with his other points.

Try to explain to me the reason for my actions in changing my password and email. I just foresee the scope of your imagination, and maybe one will make sense. But you would be very mistaken to think that the account changed ownership due to a password change. There can be many reasons.
But as for the negative tag left by a DT member, this is a pretty serious comment, and you probably don’t know the meaning of these ratings if you say that anyone can leave such a tag. The difference between any person and a person from DT is big.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802

I wouldn’t call the “red tag for switching hands” much of a reason considering any user can give positive or negative reputation. However, I would call the “This user's email address was changed recently” pop up suspicious combined with the other evidence.

I have to clarify this, as it is not accurate.

The red tag is because from both your thread and this one I don't trust whoever is running the former Ratimov now Symmetrick account to make financial deals. And I want to warn the rest of the people of the same. Either it is not the same person who is managing the account, or if it is the same, all he has done since you created your thread until today make me think that there is a high risk if economic deals are made with him.

Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- His account was recently red tagged for switching hands.
- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 38 users trust him, while 55 distrust him.
- YOSHIE, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Wapfika and Jossque stopped trusting him and JollyGood distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 38 users from which only 19 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, sky999, bubbalex, madnessteat, Snork1979, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, nimogsm, my luck, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

So now what will happen to all those scammers and cheaters now that they can roam the forum freely and continue their business as usual? I guess there is no hope because we all are gonna get scammed now, right? 😂
Time for the forum police to rewrite all those tickets again.

He has 0 left tags now. Practically you are trusting someone for 0 feedbacks left.

Based on my own interpretation - I have also considered remove Ratimov from my trust list. Of course - I don't like got him act like he did a few times ago by deleting many of user posts on his thread even though I really respect his knowledge and contributions. I didn't put Ratimov on my distrust list - that's because he's had valid tags in the past for cheating accounts or something.

Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- He is no longer a merit source. This was common sense, since he had no respect even for his Merit Source application thread, which he trashed as well. In fact, I actually stated this is what should happen, due to such lack of common sense..
- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 45 users trust him, while 54 distrust him.
- During past week Coin-1 stopped trusting him while sokani added him to his distrust list. Thank you for your involvement!

100% ! 

As I have BSV on my ignore list I missed that, but you already answered Learn Bitcoin, thanks !

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Btw @Bitcoin SV, I think Lauda was already gone when I joined Bitcointalk. About the tag, it is well deserved. (Please stop derailing Gazeta's thread, we are here to talk about Symmetov!)

Another troll woke up after a long period of time. I have heard about you and saw your old posts, too. But this is the first time I've seen you trolling around us. Maybe he didn't see you earlier to tag you. But when he noticed you had just woken up again with a bull run ahead, you started advertising your scam coin.

I believe you have enough tags in your profile. So, I won't bother to tag you as it won't show as default. Do you claim it's the original Satoshi vision? LOL. I guess you are trolling. 

Is this scammer pirateat40 has done a lot of useful things for the forum like Ratimov? I believe each issue should be resolved individually. Putting this scammer pirateat40 on the same level as Ratimov is completely absurd! BTW Thermos by default never changes nicknames for scammers. And this points that Thermos considers Ratimov a good person. Are you clowns here are daring to object to the Thermos? So soon you will all fly out of DT by yourself

Then don’t shout anymore that your DT is decentralized. You are a feudal centralized corrupted parasites, that has been controlled by the one puppeteer

Heads-up: after multiple users requested something like this, I created a "Tl; dr version" of OP (and of the events following OP) in post #2. I'll keep this post updated based on evolution of current events. I also mentioned in OP that a sum-up is available in post #2.

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While I am not 100% certain if he deserves negative feedback(s) or not for his sudden cancelling of the sponsorship, after earning merits / popularity / reputation for almost 1 year while he appeared as a generous sponsor of this contest, I believe it will be legit if contest winners will raise flag(s) against him -- and I'll also support them.

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I also share this thought

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If you followed the discussion, you could notice that he was kicked out of DT on November 7th and not a long time ago. This happened as a result of the existence of this topic combined with Ratimov / Symmetrick's recent actions. You can find a sum-up of all this topic discussion in post #2.

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You should bear in mind that 90% of all his contributions were plagiarized or copy-pasted (based on his own words):



I had in mind to lock the thread after the question from OP has been answered -- "Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?" -- (and the outcome was that he belongs nowhere near DT) but things escalated, as Ratimov / Symmetrick, after the apparition of this topic, proceeded to apparently an endless list of other shady actions (summarized in post #2). Since I thought it was not needed to have new topics for his new dementia I decided to leave this thread open -- and, as a consequence, his following actions were presented (and debated) here.

And, as you see, suchmoon said something similar:

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Lol!