Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 4. (Read 9843 times)

philipma1957, The Sceptical Chymist, Symmetrick (and my guess is a few more) were personally invited by the management, I came to know it after I sent PM to philipma1957, The Sceptical Chymist. Later in the discussion between me and the management I learnt that Symmetrick was also one of them. As per my understanding they all were paid upfront for 6 months (management and I, never had a detailed conversation about it though).

When [banned mixer] launched their first review campaign, Symmetrick did a great job. If I remember correctly at the time of 2nd review Symmetrick was clean. His, TryNinja's and others reviews helped the team a lot. So my best guess is Symmetrick made a great impression for them. Besides considering his contribution on the forum he was one of the most valuable member in the community so I did not see anything wrong when everything was conducted.

Regarding refund, I read the same as you all from the post of philipma1957, I have no other information.

@Symmetrick, sorry to see the recent development however indeed your contribution in Tumbler project was appreciated greatly. Thank you.

And this was precisely what I and LV were thinking about:

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I guess it doesn't matter too much from where the money came from. Could be from Royse, from Tumbler themselves or from Lauda's uncle, lol. The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already. This is why I said that


Meaning to pickpocket another huge amount, after he will also not pay one more huge amount (0.0435 BTC) to Halab's contest, where he declared himself as sponsor).

Let's see what philipma1957 says:


So I understand that he and those who are in the same case received the payment in advance, among them Symmetrick, they do keep the payment for wearing the signature until 31 December and they will have to make a refund. In the case of philipma1957 he has already done so, and I understand that it will be 2/3, which in principle does not fit with having worked only one of the six months for the large number of posts he writes.

It would be interesting to know if Symmetrick has returned the money, which will be more than $3,000 as well, I understand. If he hasn't already, I think there's a big risk that he won't pay it back.

Pst, it was 3 red tags, I collected 4 after joining, FOR NO REASON, but that's not the point, the point is, DT tags could be given to anyone for arbitrary and stupid reasons or no reasons at all, for all we know you could be living next door to your love buddy ico something, lol.  There is also no way for you to know whether I have a few alter ego accounts in there or not, unless  you control the whole system  or have KYC from every DT member.

In case you missed it, the moment JG tagged me without ever providing any reason or explanation whatsoever, I immediately went to meta on a related topic and talked about the trust system being rendered useless by the efforts of such irresponsible DT's. BUT you know, there is this mentality here, when you get a tag, why not get 7, after all, you must have done something to deserve it, RIGHT? second lol.
Do not mistake my apology via PM with fear, that was respect, please note that, when I picked the stick everyone shat their pants and ran off from this forum, and you know, it was a mistake apparently to come to this topic and inject some long lost BALLS into some people to then later they come here one by one to speak up against symm's tyranny. So don't talk like I'm a freaking scammer WITH 7 tags, keep the thanks for yourself.  now keep mentioning me more, I need more fuel for my engine. 😉

LoyceV and GazetaBitcoin, It wasn't Royse who hired Symmetrick and two other members for the campaign. It was [banned mixer] itself who had contracted with these three users and Royse's job was to check their posts. This is another reason why the campaign has ended already, but it does not affect these three users. It seems [banned mixer] was contacting some special forum members to hire them. philipma1957 and The Sceptical Chymist can confirm what I am saying. You can also understand if you have checked the campaign spreadsheet. Their payroll is C-type (Contract type). So, it's not Royse who paid them in advance.

As I said, philipma1957 already wrote about his deal with Tumbler, so I assume that all three users highlighted above have at least a similar agreement. It was said in a completely different context, and I am somehow sure that philip would not invent such things.


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As for Rattrick, we will probably know his status only after January 1st.
I somehow think that he just rented his account, why should they miss such an opportunity to make money.


There were three users with special status. Whether or not all of them want to return the money, I can't answer that.

They will? I mean he. He will? Oo


That, plus the fact that he enrolled a user with 7 negative tags from DT LMAO!

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^Disregard that, I was wrong. Now this was, perhaps, his last move before doing the Houdini move:


I did not anticipate that he will also take a payment in advance for a service he won't provide =)))

Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama? This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

He and two other members made a deal in that campaign outside the official campaign, probably directly with the owner. As far as I understood, they were even paid in advance (for several months), so the campaign's closing does not apply to them. Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12
I think philipma1957 wrote somewhere about his deal, and the manager confirmed it somehow.

If he sold his account already he probably managed to do it before receiving red tags. If he hasn't yet but he's trying to, it may be more difficult now, but not impossible. After all, it's still fifth most merited account from the forum. A buyer knowing how forum works would realize that this account is still valuable for making money.


I don't think he would be banned now, if he wasn't banned already for well documented and proven plagiarism...


Not all campaigns state that. Look at digaran which, until recently, he was enrolled in a campaign while wearing 7 red tags from DT users. It's only up to the manager. If he will consider those feedbacks as irrelevant he can enroll anyone. And I am sure there would be managers interested in having Ratimov enrolled, even with 2 negative feedbacks.


As I stated above, not all campaigns have this rule. About what's the point of leaving feedbacks: it's for the sake of users which may be tempted to make deals with these accounts -- by reading those feedbacks they may avoid being scammed. Last, but not least, about Royse: Royse is a perfect example of how a campaign manager should not act. Winning the Antihero "award" at BCA 2022 was no coincidence. If enrolling digaran, which has 7 red tags is not enough proof, you may read here some more about Royse. He actually tends to act like Ratimov in some parts, lol.

Couldn't imagine if theymos wasn't checking profiles before doing anything with them. 5 minutes is enough for everyone to understand Ratimov's motives of changing account name.

No, I mean, his account has negative trusts, might also get more negative trusts in near future and in the best case, might get banned too but I don't have that expectation. By the way, every signature campaign states that if user has negative trust from DT members, that user won't be able to enroll in signature campaign and that's why I asked, what's the point of buying an account that has negative trust and other issues?
I can't understand either why Royse let Ratimov to enroll in [banned mixer]'s signature campaign. Logically, he shouldn't have accepted him. If no one cares about trust, then what's the point of pointing it out in thread that users shouldn't have negative trust? Or why did Royse thought his negative trust was okay, I can't understand

Ratimov was last active 4 days ago, which is the day he received his second red tag from DT. I don't know if he was kicked out of the campaign at that point, but the campaign ended yesterday anyway.
I guess we'll find out if he'll be back. He may have a few more Tricks up his sleeve.

Thank you, but I did not see any merit from you, lol.


He asked theymos for a name change and his request was approved.


It's not a good thing, but he managed to fool theymos as well. He fooled 99% of this forum for years in a row; he fooled Russian mods even with such an embarrassing thing as transforming them into his personal garbage men. So why couldn't he fool theymos as well?


Look Synchronice, don't take me wrong, but you don't quite seem to understand how this forum works.

Recently you said you added Ratimov on your Trust list because you like him, despite any guideline for correct use of Trust system. Eventually, Shishir99 gave you a good advice to stop arguing about the use of Trust system, because you were only exposing yourself more and more about how far you are from understanding it.

Now you are asking why someone would buy his account: to earn money with it, obviously! Account selling is an old practice and, the higher the rank of an account, the bigger the price is. This is because with a higher rank you can enroll in signature campaigns and earn more money as a Legendary -- for example -- compared with a Full Member. And, instead of spending 735 - 1030 days for becoming Legendary (and having also to earn 1000 merits), some cheaters prefer to buy an account. Same applies for accounts of lower ranks, if the cheater is cheap.

Speaking of Ratimov though, he tried his ultimate cheat on this forum: his account was until recently the fourth most merited account on entire forum (and now it's the fifth), so the possessor of such account could earn serious money not only from signature campaigns, but also even more by making custom deals with any company, by wearing its signature. And, as a proof, Ratimov left MixTum campaign for enrolling in Tumbler campaign, as the lattest one was paying 10$/post. Now imagine how much money he could earn from selling his account: the fifth most merited account from the forum and also enrolled in a campaign paying 10$/post! Practically, he would sell a gold mine. It would be a big price for the buyer but such would generate big sources of income. I believe these were his thoughts for his final shenanigan before exiting the stage.

Seriously though, was such question needed...? Aren't all these aspects clear for anyone...?


I agree here. Especially if someone else controls the account now.


He should have been banned when he was caught plagiarizing. But for a while now plagiarists don't get banned anymore and, for the situation to be even more ridiculous, they are unbanned!!!!

Wow, this is the moment to say that lit started not only fire but a big explosion. I couldn't imagine if Ratimov was a kid.
By the way, how was he able to change his name on forum? As I see, there is not an option to change your name from profile settings and when I saw old threads, people were saying that it's hard to change name and you should have a very valid reason for that. So, what happened? It's not a good thing that forum administration allowed him to change his name after being exposed.

Also, why would someone buy his account? What's the point?

I think all the left trust should be removed from that account because this user built its account on lies, then was writing very offensive words, was acting like a rude kid and to hide facts and traces, changed his account name. Does his account deserve ban in this case or not?
Merit to GazetaBitcoin for exposing him. What can I say else I still can't believe what has happened, feels like being in a kindergarten

Yet. He did not scam yet. But Halab's contest -- supposed to be sponsored by him -- will end soon (~2 weeks) and from that moment forward the winners of the contest will be in the legitimate situation to raise a flag against him. Given the feeling that multiple users (including DT) will support this flag, the outcome of such action would be turning Ratimov Symmetrick into a scammer.


Alternatively, he should have never presented the work of reputable authors as being his. Impersonating them! Stealing their work! Perhaps that would have been a much better approach. Just be happy for being named Newbie of 2019 and earn his ranking on the forum in a normal manner, like 99% of forum users do. Perhaps he would have earned his first 1000 merits in a year but he would have been someone with common sense.

Another better approach would have been to never aim to earn thousands of merits by copy-paste. What he did was like any of us would just copy-paste Andreas Antonopoulos's Mastering Bitcoin and earn 5000 merits from that topic. He did same thing, but with the help of multiple topics.

At some point he even tried to race LoyceV and show him that he can reach faster than Loyce to 10000 merits or 11000 or so (I can't find that post but I believe LV remembers the discussion).

Another post which he made from pure ego was after he was exposed for plagiarism by airfinex: LoyceV made a mention that Ratimov's light speed pace for earning merits decreased after airfinex's topic and, in exchange, Ratimov replied with a tone like he was ridiculing the entire forum even more:


Apparently, for a short moment, he was happy with earning stealing 3000 merits through plagiarism. Later he changed his mind and decided to steal some more. Like 3-4 times more.

So coming back, I guess these facts should have never happened. He could keep being pathetic at taking criticism, just like TimeLord is. But just act like a normal forum user. But noooo he wanted to be number 1! He wanted to be the best! He wanted to be the ace at everything!

And for this he tried all shenanigans possible. Until people finally allowed themselves to open their eyes about this thief.

I agree that it's not one mistake. This happened because of his behavior and attitude. But my point was, he could have handled the situation very well. Even scammers are sometimes given a pass by the community due to insufficient proof. Ratimov wasn't a scammer. The problem is, he never handled criticism in a good way. He could have accepted the criticism.

Instead, he always attacked people who pointed out his bad side. People learn from their mistakes, but if someone believes they are always right and doesn't accept criticism for their wrongdoing, they are not going to survive.

In Ratmetric's case, it's not just one "mistake", it's the overall attitude towards the forum as a cow that has to be milked at any cost. Old toothless cow but it does sometimes kick those entitled farmers in the face.

That's what happens with people who start to engage in threads where they are not invited. Still, anyone can join the discussion if they have something valuable to say. But when people start looking for problems in anything they see, this is not good at all. Some people always find negative things and most of the time they get rewarded for what they do. Sometimes their view was legitimate. But the success rate won't be 100%.

We all make mistakes. Sometimes I could be wrong, you could be wrong too. But, if you believe you are always right and unable to accept your mistakes, this is enough reason for your downfall. That was the case with Ratimov. He could have managed these things very well. He is not a scammer. All he had to do is, accept the mistake and promise to correct himself. Instead, he started digging his own grave.

My guess is it's a guess
In English: an educated guess.
In Dutch: natte vinger werk (lick your finger, stick it up, and feel how windy it is).

Is there an application for that, and what does the algorithm look like by which something abstractly like this is converted into percentages?

Good point. Even though it seems crazy to destroy his reputation this way, at least it's (more or less) victimless.

I'm a little curious, but how is this percentage determined?
Is there an application for that, and what does the algorithm look like by which something abstractly like this is converted into percentages?



Yes, this was definitely an express self-destruction. The good thing is that he didn't put his hand in anyone's wallet, at least there are no such accusations. Of course, if we ignore the contest from which he withdrew his sponsorship, there is no abuse of exiting the high-rank level from this forum. About "ever", You've been here long enough to remember members like master-P or yogg who left their forum reputations with "fireworks".