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legendary
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Today at 11:45:09 AM
That's probably the model I should have bought. 👀
The Nano S is no longer available on their official web shop. Maybe you could have bought it from one of their official resellers. Depending on where you live, perhaps there were opportunities to buy a HW in-person from a physical store.

I want the model with the LEAST features, no BlueTooth, no Touch Screen, no complicated software/firmware - I merely want the simplest hardware wallet that can be used to sign keys and/or make transactions. I'm very confident that such a crypto device will definitely have the minimum attack vectors.
That makes sense. A fort with big glass windows isn't good either. Smiley
legendary
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BTW, I don't remember, is it all Ledger wallets is vulnerable for this backdoor issue or it's Nano X?



Ledger claims that their oldest model, Ledger Nano S, doesn't support Ledger Recover due to internal memory restrictions. The feature is apparently only available for the Nano X and the new Nano S Plus. Since you have the Nano S yourself, you are probably aware that it can't hold more than two installed standalone apps at the same time. For instance, you can install the Bitcoin and Ethereum apps, but if you want Tron, there is no way to make all three fit. You have to uninstall one first. Based on that, there is maybe truth in their claims that you can't install Ledger Recover on this hardware wallet. Unfortunately, we will never know for sure nor will we be able to verify it. 


That's probably the model I should have bought. 👀

I want the model with the LEAST features, no BlueTooth, no Touch Screen, no complicated software/firmware - I merely want the simplest hardware wallet that can be used to sign keys and/or make transactions. I'm very confident that such a crypto device will definitely have the minimum attack vectors.

The more "marketable devices", with the Touch Screens and wireless connection features will absolutely have more possibilities for "unwanted entries".
legendary
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BTW, I don't remember, is it all Ledger wallets is vulnerable for this backdoor issue or it's Nano X?
Ledger claims that their oldest model, Ledger Nano S, doesn't support Ledger Recover due to internal memory restrictions. The feature is apparently only available for the Nano X and the new Nano S Plus. Since you have the Nano S yourself, you are probably aware that it can't hold more than two installed standalone apps at the same time. For instance, you can install the Bitcoin and Ethereum apps, but if you want Tron, there is no way to make all three fit. You have to uninstall one first. Based on that, there is maybe truth in their claims that you can't install Ledger Recover on this hardware wallet. Unfortunately, we will never know for sure nor will we be able to verify it. 
legendary
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No, what's now written behind the box is, "Peace of Mind" and some words describing the predict, "All-inclusive storage" plus more words, then "Easy asset management" and more words.
I'll accept any label on the box, as long as it's not "Piece of Shit". Wink

Although, in the case of Ledger, we already know what's inside. I'm not talking about the source code, which remains closed.

I'm satisfied with my old Trezor One too, but the colors of the Ledger is beautiful. I am forced to use it at the risk for losing some assets.
It seems to me that these risks are a bit overstated in the public consciousness. Theoretically, the contents of wallets can be lost in any device, it's just that the Ledger's reputation is tarnished and it seems that their risks are higher.

If the "crime" has NOT yet occurred, then you can't judge for it.

Ledger devices should be treated with caution (don't store all assets),

Respect to @Wind_FURY for the courage to use ledger HW (after all the rumors and suspicions) and openly declare here when the BTC-community, to put it mildly, doesn't approve of this manufacturer (Satoshi bless his assets Smiley).

Which wallet to use is a personal risk choice for everyone.


It wasn't not "courage". Hahaha, I truly forgot about this topic, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ledger-recovery-send-your-encrypted-recovery-phrase-to-3rd-parties-entities-5452900

   

But when I was browsing the Hardware Wallet subforum, I saw that and suddenly remembered and someone suggested that I cancel the order, but it was already too late. The hardware wallet was arriving in one day.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If a Trezor could be used with the XVerse wallet or MagicEden wallet, I would have never considered buying a Ledger to be honest.
full member
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December 02, 2024, 06:56:37 PM
BTW, I don't remember, is it all Ledger wallets is vulnerable for this backdoor issue or it's Nano X?

I'm sure some people will say the original Nano S is safe, but you'd be foolish to believe them.

Ledger's code is closed source, so there's no way to prove any Ledger hardware wallets are safe.  Ledger even said so:

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There's no backdoor and I obviously can't prove it

--btchip, Ledger co-founder

Can't prove it?
Can't trust it.
legendary
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December 02, 2024, 03:55:47 PM
He did say that he completely forgot about the discussion around Ledger Recover and the seed extraction system that we all agree on is a vulnerability that shouldn't exist in hardware wallets. Had he remembered it, he probably wouldn't have purchased a Ledger. Let's see if he dares to deposit any bitcoin into it or if its use case will be to to store altcoins exclusively. 
I have Nano S for very long time and Nano X that I got for free few years ago. But today there is no way that I would buy it, maybe wouldn't even take it for free. Yeah, I still use it, but probably it would be best to buy Trezor or other hardware wallet. But for now it's not on my priority list.
BTW, I don't remember, is it all Ledger wallets is vulnerable for this backdoor issue or it's Nano X?
legendary
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December 02, 2024, 11:29:30 AM
Respect to @Wind_FURY for the courage to use ledger HW (after all the rumors and suspicions) and openly declare here when the BTC-community, to put it mildly, doesn't approve of this manufacturer (Satoshi bless his assets Smiley).
He did say that he completely forgot about the discussion around Ledger Recover and the seed extraction system that we all agree on is a vulnerability that shouldn't exist in hardware wallets. Had he remembered it, he probably wouldn't have purchased a Ledger. Let's see if he dares to deposit any bitcoin into it or if its use case will be to to store altcoins exclusively. 
legendary
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December 02, 2024, 10:45:53 AM
No, what's now written behind the box is, "Peace of Mind" and some words describing the predict, "All-inclusive storage" plus more words, then "Easy asset management" and more words.
I'll accept any label on the box, as long as it's not "Piece of Shit". Wink

Although, in the case of Ledger, we already know what's inside. I'm not talking about the source code, which remains closed.

I'm satisfied with my old Trezor One too, but the colors of the Ledger is beautiful. I am forced to use it at the risk for losing some assets.
It seems to me that these risks are a bit overstated in the public consciousness. Theoretically, the contents of wallets can be lost in any device, it's just that the Ledger's reputation is tarnished and it seems that their risks are higher.

If the "crime" has NOT yet occurred, then you can't judge for it.

Ledger devices should be treated with caution (don't store all assets),

Respect to @Wind_FURY for the courage to use ledger HW (after all the rumors and suspicions) and openly declare here when the BTC-community, to put it mildly, doesn't approve of this manufacturer (Satoshi bless his assets Smiley).

Which wallet to use is a personal risk choice for everyone.
legendary
Activity: 2898
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December 02, 2024, 09:17:58 AM

No, what's now written behind the box is, "Peace of Mind" and some words describing the predict, "All-inclusive storage" plus more words, then "Easy asset management" and more words.

They probably were warned for false-advertising if they continued to print "Open-Source" in their boxes, no?



I doubt there is a regulator or agency that cares whether they call themselves open-source or not. They can always make excuses and say parts of our ecosystem is open-source, and that's what the writing on the box refers to. On the other hand, they are concerned with their public image and will try everything to avoid losing their reputation. That's why marketing is such a critical point for Ledger. They have surely heard enough criticism to remove their old open-source claim and exchange it for some other slogans.


I'm very confident that there are regulators in each country that if something came to their attention, then they would definitely require companies from doing any false-advertisements. If a company doesn't comply, then it's a reason to cancel their business license. Plus it would also cause more distrust from the community which would destroy their reputation further.
legendary
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November 30, 2024, 08:34:48 AM
No, what's now written behind the box is, "Peace of Mind" and some words describing the predict, "All-inclusive storage" plus more words, then "Easy asset management" and more words.

They probably were warned for false-advertising if they continued to print "Open-Source" in their boxes, no?
I doubt there is a regulator or agency that cares whether they call themselves open-source or not. They can always make excuses and say parts of our ecosystem is open-source, and that's what the writing on the box refers to. On the other hand, they are concerned with their public image and will try everything to avoid losing their reputation. That's why marketing is such a critical point for Ledger. They have surely heard enough criticism to remove their old open-source claim and exchange it for some other slogans.
legendary
Activity: 2898
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November 30, 2024, 04:37:40 AM

My Ledger arrived yesterday! I ordered this while forgetting about the "Ledger Unsafe" topic.



Thanks for contributing to the thread.

I see you got one in a non-standard color. I think they had special discounts for certain colors recently as part of their Black Friday deal or even before that. Does Ledger still write that they are open-source at the back of the box? All their older boxes had claims of being open-source on the back.


I believe I'll continue using my Trezor One to store larger amounts of Bitcoin. Haha.
It makes sense to do that. I have got a Trezor myself, and I am satisfied with it.


No, what's now written behind the box is, "Peace of Mind" and some words describing the predict, "All-inclusive storage" plus more words, then "Easy asset management" and more words.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They probably were warned for false-advertising if they continued to print "Open-Source" in their boxes, no?

I'm satisfied with my old Trezor One too, but the colors of the Ledger is beautiful. I am forced to use it at the risk for losing some assets.

legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
November 30, 2024, 02:56:30 AM
My Ledger arrived yesterday! I ordered this while forgetting about the "Ledger Unsafe" topic.
Thanks for contributing to the thread.
I see you got one in a non-standard color. I think they had special discounts for certain colors recently as part of their Black Friday deal or even before that. Does Ledger still write that they are open-source at the back of the box? All their older boxes had claims of being open-source on the back.

I believe I'll continue using my Trezor One to store larger amounts of Bitcoin. Haha.
It makes sense to do that. I have got a Trezor myself, and I am satisfied with it.
legendary
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November 30, 2024, 02:06:02 AM
Bump.

My Ledger arrived yesterday! I ordered this while forgetting about the "Ledger Unsafe" topic. I believe I'll continue using my Trezor One to store larger amounts of Bitcoin. Haha.

OP asked me to share pictures of my new hardware wallet and I would also like to post that its firmware is closed source making it have some probability that it could be backdoored.









legendary
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February 22, 2024, 12:21:48 PM
Does anyone else have a hardware wallet they would like to show the community at Bitcointalk? Let's try to revive this thread a little. Grin
I am particularly interested in seeing images of some genuine DYI devices. I know that some users here have those, so don't be shy and let's see them.
legendary
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May 29, 2023, 04:04:43 AM
It's interesting. Nevertheless, that's not a hardware wallet. We could refer to them as paper wallets in card format. A type of cold storage maybe, but not a hardware wallet. I would like this thread to be solely about hardware wallets, past and future. Preferably, devices that are still in use by Bitcointalk users.
legendary
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May 28, 2023, 12:44:23 PM
The pictures say that coinfriend was an exchange that had its own mining farm. They allowed you to purchase crypto and top up a crypto debit card directly. There is no mention of that hardware device, though. Looks like a USB-type of device. Does it even have a screen or buttons? What's the thing called?

The two sites in the pictures aren't live any longer. Wayback Machine has no achieves of coinfriend.eu. bitcoinwalletcards.com has been achieved several times. Under the hardware wallet section on one archive, I found two entries. One is called CardwalletBTC – Android App for Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card and the other Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card for Android App CardwalletBTC.

It seems like the same thing, just called differently. The product descriptions talk about a card and an app you can use at ATMs or to make online transactions. Doesn't help to figure out what that thing is.

Did some deep digging and it’s very hard to find info, First, no buttons or screens or anything. These guys seem to have been early in the game. One way I know is this - https://www.slideshare.net/cryptocoinwalletcards/bitcoin-walletcards .  So BitBills are the first ever physically held bitcoin. They tried to patent physical bitcoins and threatened legal action against the likes of Mike Caldwell/Casascius and now I’m seeing these guys got threatened too. Gavin created the idea of physical btc, so BitBills was denied patent. It was amazing that so many thought it wasn’t possible. I believe I remember Theymos saying it would never happen, which the guy helped Satosh build up btc, he knows a few things lol..crazy how far everything has come.

I did find a few links on Amazon for these cards. One was IOTA, sold out, the other btc that was sold out of Germany but sold in Japanese currency. I’m in the US and they won’t ship to me. It’s all weird but interesting. Will keep digging.
legendary
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May 28, 2023, 02:07:28 AM
The pictures say that coinfriend was an exchange that had its own mining farm. They allowed you to purchase crypto and top up a crypto debit card directly. There is no mention of that hardware device, though. Looks like a USB-type of device. Does it even have a screen or buttons? What's the thing called?

The two sites in the pictures aren't live any longer. Wayback Machine has no achieves of coinfriend.eu. bitcoinwalletcards.com has been achieved several times. Under the hardware wallet section on one archive, I found two entries. One is called CardwalletBTC – Android App for Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card and the other Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card for Android App CardwalletBTC.

It seems like the same thing, just called differently. The product descriptions talk about a card and an app you can use at ATMs or to make online transactions. Doesn't help to figure out what that thing is.
legendary
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May 27, 2023, 03:12:22 PM
Finally..I believe this is German, going to ask my German buddy for brief translation.




legendary
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May 27, 2023, 10:53:43 AM
Since the Nano X is no longer with you, I will add only the Trezor One to your name in the table.

This is a temporary solution, but there are various doubts here.
How can we trust them that these messes with seeds were not implemented earlier, do we have any reliable info about it?
No, we don't. All we know is that they decided to tell us about the feature for the latest Nano X firmware upgrade, and that such information was never announced before.

What can also be a concern, earlier they showed some very bad tendencies when it comes to the firmware update. I remember a case where at some point it was no longer possible to update the firmware from a certain version, Can we count on them that they will be more considerate in the future?
The newest Nano X firmware is 2.2.1, and that should be the one the introduces the code for Ledger Recover. If you don't want that code on your device, don't upgrade the firmware and keep using the one you have now. The same applies to any further firmware upgrades. You can no longer upgrade your Nano X ever. Each future update will install that code.

You'll have to make do with the firmware version you have now, and hope it will remain functional for as long as possible.
You won't benefit from any future bug/vulnerability fixes, improvements, or new features either.


Why useless toy. I suppose if you already have this device, then you can continue to use it. But with reservations, like keeping only small amounts for the same small expenses. Of course, any long-term cypto hold is out of the question.
Even Andreas said he would continue to use his Ledger in the latest video where he discusses Ledger Recover with Jameson Lopp. I think he said he uses it for "operational costs". 
legendary
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May 27, 2023, 09:20:39 AM
Ledger has gone on record saying that they have always had the ability to pull seed phrase from users' devices.
Assuming they had the appropriate code ready and part of earlier firmware versions. That begs the question, why would they not tell people about it earlier? Or the even more important question, if they were trying to hide having that code, why would they announce it now (at all)? 
Because had the ledger told it earlier, the current shitstorm would have happened even then. And these are serious reputational losses, loss of customers and profits. It is clear that not a single manufacturer will agree to such an action unless absolutely necessary, which happened to this company.

Ledger has now announced this in an attempt to rehabilitate itself in the eyes of the crypto community after its resonant failure. They try to emphasize that "Look, there was a possibility to take seed phrases before, but we didn't touch it. It means we can be trusted." With the help of this recognition, the illusion of reliability of the company is created. Like if they didn't take advantage of it before, it won't happen in the future either. That's just to believe in this can only be completely not smart people.

I have only one question for them: why did the ledger introduce this code at all?

I see this as intent on their part. Intent directed against their clients.

I'm sorry to digress from the original topic, but you asked me questions and I was obliged to answer it.

Everything rests on faith and hope, which is unacceptable in the case of finances.
Faith + Hope = Trust. You always needed trust in Ledger because of their closed-source nature, and that's the tradeoff people who purchased their hardware made. But Ledger Recover is a next-level craziness that should never have happened.

I actually expected a bigger response and more questions from the wider community of all hardware wallet users following the knowledge that secure elements aren't safe enclosures for private keys. They are only safe if the developers decide to make them safe, which doesn't have to be the case as we saw with Ledger Recover. For now, everyone seems content watching the Ledger (and now Safepal) forests burn, hoping the fire won't spread to their trees. 
As it turned out, the ledger neglected the trust of customers and even abused it. Now it's so obvious.
 
Craziness with Ledger Recover nevertheless happened (sorry, the implementation is delayed for a while) and now it becomes curious, but what new craziness are they preparing for the future? From ledger now you can expect anything.


Well, after I learned a very important and rather expensive lesson (loss of almost the entire portfolio), I urgently decided to buy a hardware wallet. Fortunately for me, Ledger was not available at that time, so I decided on Trezor One, which I received in the shortest possible time.

A few months ago I won a Ledger Nano-X in the Betnomi raffle, I thought it was great, to familiarize myself with this piece of hardware, and then give it as a gift (plus some funds on there) to my niece. Unfortunately, it will now be just a useless toy.

~snip
Why useless toy. I suppose if you already have this device, then you can continue to use it. But with reservations, like keeping only small amounts for the same small expenses. Of course, any long-term cypto hold is out of the question.

Another option: leave this device in case of a $5 attack with a wrench - give this wallet in case of threats with a certain amount of money to get off with little blood.
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