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Quote from: Bushdark on February 24, 2023, 02:56:16 PM

Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.

Gambling isn't supposed to be honest, it just needs to be fair. But with the way things are going, fairness isn't really upheld and things like these happen because people are not held to a certain standard. Well, what do you expect? So long as an industry rakes in the big bucks, it will slowly lose its morality and sense of fairness. These people know from the get go that if they do certain things, they'll get the huge payout. It's certainly what's happening right now and I doubt it will change any sooner.

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Quote from: coin-investor on February 25, 2023, 06:45:13 PM

Game fixing in small leagues is very rampant not specifically in one country, we have a share of that in our country
sometimes audiences can trace it, or feel that there's fixing going on while the game is being held these small leaguers are not good at hiding game fixing and the audiences are good at tracing or looking at game fixing, but if the games are very heated and both teams are very determined to win and even involves a brawl people will think that the game is real and may even think that players and managers are betting for their team which is good, than betting on their opponent and fixing the match.

Can't really be avoided especially in small leagues.

But still, there are lots of people who are being patronized by game fixing and I don't understand why in some countries, it's like there's an easy access to game fixing or related schemes.

This something can't be stopped that's why on some areas, they have to lived with it.

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Quote from: Hispo on February 24, 2023, 11:18:11 PM

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Quote from: Hispo on February 23, 2023, 09:26:46 PM

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations. So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. Huh

I was lucky to find an exact answer to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

Thanks for linking some information.
And it is shame it is also a thing there in Europe, I suppose that since the number of small leagues are relatively high there, the authorities must also have a harder time trying to track and punish those who they believe to be behind those crimes.

Not something I would have expected of Europe, tbh. Here in Latin America generally believe that laws there are harsher and are enforced.

Game fixing in small leagues is very rampant not specifically in one country, we have a share of that in our country
sometimes audiences can trace it, or feel that there's fixing going on while the game is being held these small leaguers are not good at hiding game fixing and the audiences are good at tracing or looking at game fixing, but if the games are very heated and both teams are very determined to win and even involves a brawl people will think that the game is real and may even think that players and managers are betting for their team which is good, than betting on their opponent and fixing the match.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on February 24, 2023, 01:32:06 PM

Quote from: len01 on February 23, 2023, 01:05:15 AM

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Look, that's the main reason why we won't have most of these teams included in major leagues...cus apparently, they're used for clear business purposes....I think 'em administrators would only have that as an option to generate cash from that means, and also from casinos that are in affiliation with them.
It's a simple trick, since those leagues are locally played and they're no professional inspection, so in that case anything could be done. The whole thing doesn't make football interesting at all, most especially when they're only faking the whole thing.

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it's fine to gamble in the major leagues as long as you bet the bare minimum and use money you can afford to lose.
because in sports betting anything can happen even if it's in the world cup.
and we as gamblers must understand such incidents. because cheating will definitely occur in the world of gambling and in any league there will usually be certain cheating.
so when you want to bet on any league it is recommended not to bet too many large amounts to avoid this. because in gambling we will only be able to choose to wait for luck. even though cheating happened but we chose the right team that the bookies chose, of course we will also be lucky.

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Quote from: BobK71 on February 24, 2023, 12:51:05 PM

Match fixing is a common phenomenon in every part of the world. But I can definitely say that this type of match fixing is most common in minor leagues. So now if I hear any news about match fixing then I don't give much importance. Because now some games basically run for fixing. When sports are a means of business, many think of it as such way. But if there is no hope to get rid of this kind of scandal then people will not have much interest in the game. But for gamblers it will not have much effect.

Therefore, the importance of a good system and strict regulation. at least, it will reduce parties who want to take advantage and manipulate the results of a match, generally such as fixing the score. Match fixing scandals and all kinds of things are not a foreign phenomenon for us football fans. one of which happened in Seria A, which is called the Calciopoli scandal. which involved five big Serie A clubs such as Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio, Reggina and Fiorentina, which happened in 2006.

So, what about the minor leagues. which clearly the system and regulations are very doubtful. in my country, if there is a match fixing it is called elephant football. even today, the issue of Match fixing has always graced football in my country. However, that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. it just needs supervision from various parties. also, improving the system even better and stricter regulation. gradually, cases like this, we will rarely hear about in the future.

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Quote from: darewaller on February 24, 2023, 10:01:49 AM

Quote from: Hispo on February 23, 2023, 09:26:46 PM

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations. So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. Huh

I was lucky to find an exact answer to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

Thanks for linking some information.
And it is shame it is also a thing there in Europe, I suppose that since the number of small leagues are relatively high there, the authorities must also have a harder time trying to track and punish those who they believe to be behind those crimes.

Not something I would have expected of Europe, tbh. Here in Latin America generally believe that laws there are harsher and are enforced.

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Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.

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Quote from: len01 on February 23, 2023, 01:05:15 AM

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Look, that's the main reason why we won't have most of these teams included in major leagues...cus apparently, they're used for clear business purposes....I think 'em administrators would only have that as an option to generate cash from that means, and also from casinos that are in affiliation with them.
It's a simple trick, since those leagues are locally played and they're no professional inspection, so in that case anything could be done. The whole thing doesn't make football interesting at all, most especially when they're only faking the whole thing.

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Quote from: death69 on February 24, 2023, 11:40:51 AM

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People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.

Yo, it's like hellla depressing when you hear about busineses that put their money over humnan lives. But let's keep it real, not all busineses are like that. Bein a sports head, I've seen first hand how shady deals and unethical moves can mess up the whole games vibe. That's why it's vital for authoriteis to step up and expose and eliminate any wrong doings. It's not just about the players and officials, but the fans too who put their trust in the sport. Speakin up and spilling the tea takes guts, especailly when there's a chance of gettin some heat, but it's all about making sure justise is served. We can all do our part by stayin informed and supporting the homies who are fightin against these crookid practises. As my man Nelson Mandella once said, "Sport has the power to change the world, it has the power to inspire. It has the power to unite people in a way that little else does." So let's work together to create a world where sports are played with fairness and respect for everyone involvedd.

I see your point and I am all for the protection of a sport's integrity and reputation as well, but this alone wouldn't really stop these fixings from every happening. For me, and I saw someone here who made this point as well, you have to nip the problem from the bud, in this case punishing those found of imploring athletes from fixing matches. It's easy to be tempted to fix games especially in minor leagues where pay isn't that big, but if we were to employ tactics that would effectively wipe these scums of the planet off the games we love, I am very sure fixing matches will just be a thing of the past. In any case, I can also see how this is a pipe dream considering how hard it is to track perpetrators, but who knows?

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Quote from: darewaller on February 24, 2023, 10:01:49 AM

Quote from: Hispo on February 23, 2023, 09:26:46 PM

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations. So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. Huh

I was lucky to find an exact answer to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.

Match fixing is a common phenomenon in every part of the world. But I can definitely say that this type of match fixing is most common in minor leagues. So now if I hear any news about match fixing then I don't give much importance. Because now some games basically run for fixing. When sports are a means of business, many think of it as such way. But if there is no hope to get rid of this kind of scandal then people will not have much interest in the game. But for gamblers it will not have much effect.

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Quote from: maydna on February 24, 2023, 07:27:09 AM

Quote from: klidex on February 24, 2023, 03:44:24 AM

Quote from: maydna on February 24, 2023, 01:30:39 AM

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.

Yo, it's like hellla depressing when you hear about busineses that put their money over humnan lives. But let's keep it real, not all busineses are like that. Bein a sports head, I've seen first hand how shady deals and unethical moves can mess up the whole games vibe. That's why it's vital for authoriteis to step up and expose and eliminate any wrong doings. It's not just about the players and officials, but the fans too who put their trust in the sport. Speakin up and spilling the tea takes guts, especailly when there's a chance of gettin some heat, but it's all about making sure justise is served. We can all do our part by stayin informed and supporting the homies who are fightin against these crookid practises. As my man Nelson Mandella once said, "Sport has the power to change the world, it has the power to inspire. It has the power to unite people in a way that little else does." So let's work together to create a world where sports are played with fairness and respect for everyone involvedd.

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Quote from: Hispo on February 23, 2023, 09:26:46 PM

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations. So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. Huh

I was lucky to find an exact answer to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.

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Quote from: klidex on February 24, 2023, 03:44:24 AM

Quote from: maydna on February 24, 2023, 01:30:39 AM

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.

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Quote from: klidex on February 24, 2023, 03:44:24 AM

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

I do not know if it will happen in Brazil Seria A and Seria B, this are the two that I recognized among them, I also recognize the cup in Brazil because the clubs in top leagues are among them that are competing for the cup. Aside that, I do not go for lower leagues because anything lower can bring manipulation, people prefer to manipulate the lower leagues. Also it is better to go for those top leagues like UCL, premier league, La Liga, Bundesliga, Italian Seria A and thkse tops leagues, no manipulation.

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Quote from: maydna on February 24, 2023, 01:30:39 AM

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on February 21, 2023, 04:50:26 PM

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Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

Not only in football but even in boxing, basketball, cricket and baseball. Despite of the heavy fines that are imposed to those who are caught, still the scandal continues to happen. So I won’t be surprised that it is also practiced in football, as there are also a lot of greedy players and officials that are into football game. As long as there are no tight regulations on these games, expect that match fixing will never be avoided.

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This does not just happen in the Series B matches..... there was a massive scandal in the FIFA World Cup 2022 when Qatar was accused of bribing Ecuador players 7.4 million dollars to lose opening match. Roll Eyes

I stopped watching Cricket for many years when it came out that one of my favorite Cricket players (Hansie Cronje) were involved in match fixing in a game against India. (So when this are revealed, it does harm to the Sport and the people betting on it) Angry

I hope more players are banned from the Sport, when they are caught doing this and the people who bribe them, has to go to prison.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on February 22, 2023, 06:24:19 PM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

In some form it'll be happening around. Nowadays this isn't happening much with the international and large level leagues. In the past money is a factor, and now the same have turned towards fame. For that reason players doesn't want their names to be spoilt for money. Brazil being a football nation and the country that created legendary football players for the world encountering such issues will down the football support and the same might be followed elsewhere. These kind of acts need to be eradicated at the root.

Nowadays, money is still the root of many problems because many people want to get a lot of money, even by using illegal or incorrect ways. But if the players realize that cheating can cause their names to be damaged, it will not be worth doing and they should stay away from people trying to offer these things. It will make them in danger because, in addition to losing big names, they can also be crossed out from the list of players and may even receive punishment from the court if it is proven to help those illegal ways.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on February 22, 2023, 06:24:19 PM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

correct , not unless there will be an inside person that will reveal this scams ? people will not manage to learn about the thing though sometimes it is obvious in the game when players try to ignore scoring when they have a chance and also when they can prevent opponent to score yet they let it happen.
those are the point that we have some ideas of something happening that is not right in this game.

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

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How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations. So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. Huh

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Its a possibility in every country unfortunately, how widespread and organized is another degree. What tends to happen is success of the fixes brings its downfall, it becomes obvious and those players are likely never to play again. The worst region I've heard of and Im not saying I would know for sure where is worst in the world but reputably the worst is the asia pacific region for widespread common throwing almost as a career earnings path which is sad and disappointing for any fans of the game. Multiple teams have been cleared out and ended in that way in an attempt to clean up the scene but obviously its a attractive easy money and the problem will be persuasive unless regulation is merciless is cutting it back like a weed.

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