Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦 - page 8.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 16, 2023, 02:46:15 PM

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.

big leagues won't tolerate this kind of fraud also. it will be the end of the career of the players if they prove such act as true. so yeah, are they going to ruin their whole career with thousand dollars bribe? the whole world is watching so people will know if there is something unusual on their movements. lower leagues have the courage to do this act as maybe, some are thinking that they can end their career anytime just to get a hold of that money, or thinking that they won't be punished anyway.

This is why it is really that impossible for these things to happen on big leagues or main games that we do know and there's no fool athlete would really be dealing up with such agreement considering that it would really put up their entire career if ever they would really be caught.This is why it would really be no surprise that these things do really happen on smaller ones on which it does have that less attention
on where these kind of motives and set ups could really be possible to happen or to be applied.This is why its not really that something or shocking anymore honestly
when it comes to this kind of situations.

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I never understood the angle of sports betting. The odds are not mathematical, they're speculative and subjective. Nearly ever major sports league in the world has had scandals involving rigging with individual players or corrupt officiating that's influenced the outcome of games.

Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2023, 08:23:51 AM

Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.

There are hardly any punishments for these sorts of things. The punishment usually only comes through public pressure anyways. It's not as if these organizations cease to be fraudulent because the higher ups choose just push the liability onto other people and continue their fraud.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). Shocked

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Do you have any source material to back up this claim? While I've no doubt it can happen, often it is a very hard charge to prove because these things are often done in hidden deals and it's easy enough to create these situations while looking like genuine play. Frankly I have no issue with people profiting at the expense of bookmakers, but it definitely brings the game into disrepute and is effectively cheating. You can never have a fair and honest game if you are playing with people who are trying to profit in this way. Most teams have thousands, or tens of thousands of adoring fans who wish to see a good game and these cheaters also let down their team mates who are trying to win. Hopefully big penalties, both financial and criminal sentences are handed out.

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Unfortunately the OP didn't include a link as a reference for us to read more. talking about score fixing, player bribes, or whatever. I'm not surprised, especially in much smaller leagues. practices like this, will always exist as long as the federation concerned is also involved. bad system, weak regulation, which in the end will always be used by people who are always interested. either individually or as a group.

However generally, practices like these will always involve multiple parties. especially when it involves betting, as the OP tells in this thread. it seems that in any part of the world, practices like this will always exist but mostly in developing countries. even in my country too, something that smells of fixing is not something foreign to us. and this is the bad side, of the world of sports.

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Fraud is prevalent everywhere. The sports world is no exception. It is very rampant in low leagues where almost nobody pays attention. It is even in this leagues that sports bettors will cash out big time because before the game begins they already know that it is rigged and are confident that the team they place their wager on is going to win in the end. Infact it is a win-win for everyone- the gamblers, the officials, the players, the football teams. Sadly, this destroys core of the league and everything that sports stands for. It is even more damaging to the teams and players involved because they will never be able to perform at top tier clubs.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 16, 2023, 02:48:58 AM

The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

They wouldn't accept that if they're receiving a hefty amount of money from their salaries. But the fact that they've accepted the bribe to do the result the payor wants, it means that they receive not that much at all.

Quote from: swogerino on February 16, 2023, 02:48:58 AM

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.

Much a heavier penalty will stop these players to get involved into such fraudulent activities. Like a penalty of getting a lifetime ban and losing their access in the professional league.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on February 16, 2023, 02:38:14 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.

big leagues won't tolerate this kind of fraud also. it will be the end of the career of the players if they prove such act as true. so yeah, are they going to ruin their whole career with thousand dollars bribe? the whole world is watching so people will know if there is something unusual on their movements. lower leagues have the courage to do this act as maybe, some are thinking that they can end their career anytime just to get a hold of that money, or thinking that they won't be punished anyway.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.

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Does any Brazilian national around here know who Brazilian justice usually deals or punished this kind of organized crime inside the country?
I would have guessed that since Football is so important for the country and their culture in general this cases, which hurt their national pride and image, would be taken care of in a serious matter.

On the hand, I do not doubt organized crime syndicates there are indeed powerful as in other countries of Latin America.

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Quote from: Slow death on February 16, 2023, 01:02:50 PM

I wonder to what extent these people who organize this make a profit, because I keep thinking about the following:

there is a soccer game on the 16th for example, team A has odds of @2.00 and team B has odds @2.40, so someone decides to take 1 million dollars to pay all of team A and the coach to lose on purpose and that person would have to bet more than 1 million dollars on team B, but which bookmakers accept bets of more than 1 million dollars?

my point is that to manipulate a game is not something that can be done with little money and whoever does it is taking a lot of risk, I also don't understand these people bet where because in all casinos there is a maximum value to bet and I doubt it will pass 1 million dollars

They will divide the $1M among different people. My guess.
According to the article, the crime group goes up to buy the club or the majority of shares of the club to have control over the decisions. It says the mafia will scout a club that is struggling with financial issues.

A club could mean the sport promotion or the sports federation. Seem like a very big crime group and politicians are probably among them.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 15, 2023, 09:12:23 PM

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

May I know who's this player? Did he manage his team to reach division 1 and then be relegated to division 2? I'm just curious to know who is this.

Quote from: Darker45 on February 15, 2023, 09:12:23 PM

Fraud is also rampant in sports.

It's true that fraud and match-fixing is known in sports and that's why money in sports betting is relatively high. Looking at the amount paid to the players, it's not really that much to think of when they can get higher each contract that they get. But it's like a one-day pay day for them for selling these matches that they do. Whoever is/are behind, just paid them the barely and earned the most.

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I wonder to what extent these people who organize this make a profit, because I keep thinking about the following:

there is a soccer game on the 16th for example, team A has odds of @2.00 and team B has odds @2.40, so someone decides to take 1 million dollars to pay all of team A and the coach to lose on purpose and that person would have to bet more than 1 million dollars on team B, but which bookmakers accept bets of more than 1 million dollars?

my point is that to manipulate a game is not something that can be done with little money and whoever does it is taking a lot of risk, I also don't understand these people bet where because in all casinos there is a maximum value to bet and I doubt it will pass 1 million dollars

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on February 16, 2023, 11:45:39 AM

Quote from: swogerino on February 16, 2023, 02:48:58 AM

The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.

The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think?

No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically.

Match fixing is a common term in recent times. Often such irregularities are reported which greatly affect the quality of any game. It is not just one player who is responsible. Everyone associated with it for influential. But it cannot be denied that if a player does not agree to fixing then no match fixing situation will arise. So it is definitely a player's responsibility and if it is proven, it should be punished severely.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 16, 2023, 11:52:51 AM

Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one.

It was these 3 matches:

Vila Nova x Sport
Criciúma x Tombense
Sampaio Correa x Londrina

None of these 6 teams are internationally recognized (maybe Sport Recife), they are teams from the second division of Brazilian soccer. But in Brazil everyone knows these teams.
One of the reasons for choosing these teams was precisely the lower visibility.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one.

This is why we should stick to the big leagues when betting but i'm surprised that a lot of the players are willing to put their careers on the line when they're just one step away from reaching the highest division in their country and potentially earning more in the long run. They could've earned that same amount by continuing to play but I guess they prefer to choose the worst way out.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 16, 2023, 02:48:58 AM

The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.

The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think?

No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 15, 2023, 07:33:40 PM

It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). Shocked

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Although it is very common in other games like cricket I have never heard it for football.
All I heard was football players are already paid huge amount for their games and so they don't even need bribes.
But I guess not all football players are paid such huge amounts. Bribery is common though.
We have already heard so many cases in so many games that it doesn't sound shocking now.

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Quote from: Beparanf on February 16, 2023, 11:06:20 AM

Quote from: rdluffy on February 16, 2023, 10:56:37 AM

I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization.

The information got out though, there must be a snitch among them and some players didn't comply with the supposed act. Probably the one who receives less than $28K. According to the article bribing every player including the referee and coaches are the common way to fix a match. This is really proof that there is a fixed match in sports.

Surprisingly, all I thought these happen often in boxing where tough mafia guys are from South America
But corruption in sports cases in 11 countries based on Loughborough University research (2010-2018)
1 France
2 United Kingdom
3 Bulgaria

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Quote from: Beparanf on February 16, 2023, 11:06:20 AM

Quote from: rdluffy on February 16, 2023, 10:56:37 AM

I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to establish a case against this kind of organization.

This has been happening in many betting companies and gambling industries in different countries. No one can stop it because no one is complaining or either filing a case because some of them are afraid of huge personalities behind these fixed matches and others can't provide concrete proof to support their claims. If gamblers will only be brave to file a legal complaint, cheaters will learn their lessons.

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Quote from: rdluffy on February 16, 2023, 10:56:37 AM

I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization.

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