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I just did a random pick for this round of F1 as I still believe we will have 1 chaos race and it seems that Canada might be that one.

Also , after Ferrari won LeMans , I went with Lec to get another podium , followed by a victory and 1-2 podium for Ferrari with both Max and Lewis having a DNF as I didn't take neither of them for top 10. Instead , I went with Perez to take 3rd place and also the fastest lap of the race. Grin

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Quote from: darxiaomi on June 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

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In F1 car its like a 80% of your performance, and for that you see BOTTAS so low chances to catch anything.

agree here, I would even go with bigger percentage
just look at some drivers, and their performances this season, Alonso was were competitive till now, but it seems that Mercedes and Ferrari are catching up with their cars compared to Aston Martin, and all of the sudden, Hamilton and Russell are back into the race (almost as they learned how to drive again, both at the same time)
but overall, it is just better car for them, and Red Bull car is so dominant that Perez and Max are looking as best drivers ever seen

It is true that the better car mostly shows its driver better than a driver of a less powerful car. However when it comes to assessing the drivers by assuming they have the same cars then we can witness really interesting things. Drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton can still be ahead of the others under the same conditions. But for example Perez is a candidate to be left behind by a few drivers on the grid due to making simple mistakes despite having really good driving skills.

The most skillful drivers would still be in front of the others in that case. But I don't think we would see such thing like same cars in F1 so this will always go on like this seemingly.

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Quote from: 1miau on June 16, 2023, 06:45:21 PM

Bottas is a decent driver but it's only possible to achieve a podium in an Alfa Romeo / Haas / Alpha Tauri / Williams currently, where there's massive chaos in a race like a big crash, where half of the grid is involved in or suddenly heavy rain for example.

I don't know why but I feel like that's so wrong. I suppose that's how Ocon got his podium a few races ago (can't remember how or why). Let's see what the slip brings if it comes tomorrow then!

Ocon was on podium yeah but it was the Monaco GP. As the track isn't much available to overtake the others qualifying session is very important. It is mostly the decider of the race result as well. Ocon finished qualifying session in 4th place and Ferrari's strategical mistake helped Ocon capture Leclerc's place on podium.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 16, 2023, 09:06:05 AM

Thought this might be the time I actually watch a race, and then Euro qualifiers come around so I know where my priorities will continue to lie this weekend Wink

Giving up looking for good odds for a podium finish for an outsider. Someone give me a quick rundown on why Bottas is no longer considered a contender -- 250/1 for a podium place. I know he's switched down to an inferior car but are the differences in machines really so huge that good drivers stand no chance? Or is it a combination of Bottas also deteriorating?

He was never a contender... Even when he was driving the best car right up there with Hamilton at Mercedes. Cheesy

He's just relatively an average driver, who's dependable and consistent. But other than that, he's nothing special. It's also exactly why Toto Wolff gave him Mercedes' second drive. To just be the no. 2 driver, defend Hamilton and try to finish 1 - 2 every race. It was all good for a couple of years until Bottas wanted to be champion himself. Lol. That's when the incnsistencies in his performance started to happen because he was getting emotional at times.

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Quote from: 1miau on June 16, 2023, 06:45:21 PM

Bottas is a decent driver but it's only possible to achieve a podium in an Alfa Romeo / Haas / Alpha Tauri / Williams currently, where there's massive chaos in a race like a big crash, where half of the grid is involved in or suddenly heavy rain for example.

I don't know why but I feel like that's so wrong. I suppose that's how Ocon got his podium a few races ago (can't remember how or why). Let's see what the slip brings if it comes tomorrow then!

Quote from: swogerino on June 17, 2023, 01:48:33 AM

Bottas with a car like Alfa Romeo has exactly 0 chances to get to the podium in a normal race but since we would be having rain during this weekend,it is worth trying even 1000/1 odds as who knows what the rain brings,cars going out of track,crashes and a lot of other unpredictable things that can happen because of it.On normal conditions though Bottas is getting old but this is no good reason to rate him at that odd for the podium while driving an Alfa Romeo is a big reason why it is exactly correct to rate him at that odd for the podium,the Alfa Romeo seems in the same level or just a bit better than Williams.

You agree, then, yeah? It's worth a punt on someone, especially if it rains? I'm still looking for a valid reason why Bottas (a name that's familiar enough to me as an F1 non-follower) should be seen as only able to finish on the podium once in 250 races haha.

Unfortunately, the bookies must have heard me as today the odds have gone down significantly to 91/1.

I still threw some money on it ha ha.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 16, 2023, 09:06:05 AM

Giving up looking for good odds for a podium finish for an outsider. Someone give me a quick rundown on why Bottas is no longer considered a contender -- 250/1 for a podium place. I know he's switched down to an inferior car but are the differences in machines really so huge that good drivers stand no chance? Or is it a combination of Bottas also deteriorating?

Bottas with a car like Alfa Romeo has exactly 0 chances to get to the podium in a normal race but since we would be having rain during this weekend,it is worth trying even 1000/1 odds as who knows what the rain brings,cars going out of track,crashes and a lot of other unpredictable things that can happen because of it.On normal conditions though Bottas is getting old but this is no good reason to rate him at that odd for the podium while driving an Alfa Romeo is a big reason why it is exactly correct to rate him at that odd for the podium,the Alfa Romeo seems in the same level or just a bit better than Williams.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 16, 2023, 09:06:05 AM

Someone give me a quick rundown on why Bottas is no longer considered a contender -- 250/1 for a podium place. I know he's switched down to an inferior car but are the differences in machines really so huge that good drivers stand no chance? Or is it a combination of Bottas also deteriorating?

Yes, differences are huge depending on what cars drivers are driving because of general car engineering and aerodynamics (front wing, rear wing, side pods, floor etc.) and engineering is very important for a good car.
Even Verstappen, Hamilton, Leclerc or Alonso would only get some lousy points from time to time in an Alfa Romeo, where Bottas is driving currently.

Bottas is a decent driver but it's only possible to achieve a podium in an Alfa Romeo / Haas / Alpha Tauri / Williams currently, where there's massive chaos in a race like a big crash, where half of the grid is involved in or suddenly heavy rain for example.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on June 16, 2023, 10:01:22 AM

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In F1 car its like a 80% of your performance, and for that you see BOTTAS so low chances to catch anything.

agree here, I would even go with bigger percentage
just look at some drivers, and their performances this season, Alonso was were competitive till now, but it seems that Mercedes and Ferrari are catching up with their cars compared to Aston Martin, and all of the sudden, Hamilton and Russell are back into the race (almost as they learned how to drive again, both at the same time)
but overall, it is just better car for them, and Red Bull car is so dominant that Perez and Max are looking as best drivers ever seen

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 16, 2023, 09:06:05 AM

Thought this might be the time I actually watch a race, and then Euro qualifiers come around so I know where my priorities will continue to lie this weekend Wink

Giving up looking for good odds for a podium finish for an outsider. Someone give me a quick rundown on why Bottas is no longer considered a contender -- 250/1 for a podium place. I know he's switched down to an inferior car but are the differences in machines really so huge that good drivers stand no chance? Or is it a combination of Bottas also deteriorating?

In F1 car its like a 80% of your performance, and for that you see BOTTAS so low chances to catch anything. In other series its not that way like INDYCAR, but that its because in INDY the cars are all equals with very little diference, here in F1 the cars follow some rules but are very diferent in all the ascpects, also in INDYCAR you only have one or two motors manufacters to choose here in f1 we have now 4 (and its in a low historic).

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Thought this might be the time I actually watch a race, and then Euro qualifiers come around so I know where my priorities will continue to lie this weekend Wink

Giving up looking for good odds for a podium finish for an outsider. Someone give me a quick rundown on why Bottas is no longer considered a contender -- 250/1 for a podium place. I know he's switched down to an inferior car but are the differences in machines really so huge that good drivers stand no chance? Or is it a combination of Bottas also deteriorating?

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Quote from: 1miau on June 15, 2023, 08:14:11 PM

Quote from: boltz on June 15, 2023, 06:26:03 AM

Rain during the race weekend?

Let's hope so.

Currently, it's looking like rain around 90% on Saturday and 50% on Sunday, so qualifying will be wet for sure.
Even if we'll get a dry race, we might have a very mixed starting grid delievering us an interesting race.
Of course, rain also during race would be even better.

In terms of predictions it might be a difficult one if it rains during qualifying / race.
Verstappen is a good rain driver but I wouldn't underestimate Hamilton and Alonso in rain as well. One mistake in rain is enough already to crash out or a bad timed safety car due to rain and we can get a really interesting race if it rains.

We are all expecting rain during this weekend,this maybe will change a lot our positions in the prediction pool as who knows what happens in a very wet race,we can even end the race with just 8-9 cars so all of us would be getting very little points and the ones who go for bold predictions may make a good comeback here in the standings Grin

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The cars though are very stable as we have seen through most of these races in which we saw very low number of retirements so it will only be driver errors if we see a lot of cars not finishing the race during this one in Canada.

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Quote from: boltz on June 15, 2023, 06:26:03 AM

Rain during the race weekend?

Let's hope so.

Currently, it's looking like rain around 90% on Saturday and 50% on Sunday, so qualifying will be wet for sure.
Even if we'll get a dry race, we might have a very mixed starting grid delievering us an interesting race.
Of course, rain also during race would be even better.

In terms of predictions it might be a difficult one if it rains during qualifying / race.
Verstappen is a good rain driver but I wouldn't underestimate Hamilton and Alonso in rain as well. One mistake in rain is enough already to crash out or a bad timed safety car due to rain and we can get a really interesting race if it rains.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 15, 2023, 04:06:10 AM

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Verstappen may have won the race with that slight margin last year but the Redbull dominance was not the same as this year,this year is even more dominant so we desperately need the rain to be present and not to be just like in Spain,near the track but never falling much to change the race.

Indeed Red Bull dominance wasn't this much big at the beginning of the season last year. Because Ferrari were really doing great in those times despite the downfall some time later. But now Ferrari couldn't even make a decent start to the season. Leclerc was able to fight for the win with Verstappen in the first times of the previous season. However now we see no other driver at other teams who can do the same.

Perez was doing good at the beginning and I wondered if we would see an in-team competition during the season. But this didn't last long either. It is mostly because of Perez's own mistakes recently.

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I have checked the weather report in Montreal in a more detailed way and seen that there is rain expected during the whole race weekend. This might cause some surprising incidents to happen in qualifying at least maybe but we will see. It is quite hard to predict how the race would end under rain. Can Verstappen still win by a huge gap just as he did in the Monaco GP or not?

The latest race in Canada was quite competitive between Verstappen and Sainz in the last laps. Verstappen was able to win the race anyway by a slight margin like 0.993s after a late safety car. Let's see if we will see such competition again in this race as well.

Rain being present in such a legendary track can only make the race much more interesting to watch and for me rain being present is the only chance for all of us to see some other team except Redbull winning a race during this season.In normal conditions I highly doubt there could be some driver or some team capable of beating the Redbull absolute supremacy during the whole season so far.

Verstappen may have won the race with that slight margin last year but the Redbull dominance was not the same as this year,this year is even more dominant so we desperately need the rain to be present and not to be just like in Spain,near the track but never falling much to change the race.

Rain during the race weekend ? Say no more! This track is already very punishing towards drivers but with rain probably showing up , I think everything will be turn into chaos so I do pray rain will hit the track during race and not during qualifiers.

At this point , most of the F1 fans don't even watch F1 for Max or RedBull because that is simply boring but the race from 2nd place until 6th place is pretty open to most of the drivers. Cool

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Quote from: CLS63 on June 14, 2023, 05:24:03 PM

I have checked the weather report in Montreal in a more detailed way and seen that there is rain expected during the whole race weekend. This might cause some surprising incidents to happen in qualifying at least maybe but we will see. It is quite hard to predict how the race would end under rain. Can Verstappen still win by a huge gap just as he did in the Monaco GP or not?

The latest race in Canada was quite competitive between Verstappen and Sainz in the last laps. Verstappen was able to win the race anyway by a slight margin like 0.993s after a late safety car. Let's see if we will see such competition again in this race as well.

Rain being present in such a legendary track can only make the race much more interesting to watch and for me rain being present is the only chance for all of us to see some other team except Redbull winning a race during this season.In normal conditions I highly doubt there could be some driver or some team capable of beating the Redbull absolute supremacy during the whole season so far.

Verstappen may have won the race with that slight margin last year but the Redbull dominance was not the same as this year,this year is even more dominant so we desperately need the rain to be present and not to be just like in Spain,near the track but never falling much to change the race.

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Thanks for the next chance to win, it will be a rather exciting race when I look back at last year's result, where RedBull, Mercedes and Ferrari were close. Very difficult to give a "good" tip already.

Quote from: CLS63 on June 14, 2023, 05:24:03 PM

I have checked the weather report in Montreal in a more detailed way and seen that there is rain expected during the whole race weekend. This might cause some surprising incidents to happen in qualifying at least maybe but we will see. It is quite hard to predict how the race would end under rain. Can Verstappen still win by a huge gap just as he did in the Monaco GP or not?

The latest race in Canada was quite competitive between Verstappen and Sainz in the last laps. Verstappen was able to win the race anyway by a slight margin like 0.993s after a late safety car. Let's see if we will see such competition again in this race as well.

Some rain would shake up the whole weekend and be good for us spectators, as you and I mentioned above, last year's race weekend in Montreal was pretty even between the top 3 teams, don't think Verstappen will be as dominant this weekend, more even. Wait and see tomorrow's practice for the tips at Superbru, maybe Alonso can surprise again.

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I have checked the weather report in Montreal in a more detailed way and seen that there is rain expected during the whole race weekend. This might cause some surprising incidents to happen in qualifying at least maybe but we will see. It is quite hard to predict how the race would end under rain. Can Verstappen still win by a huge gap just as he did in the Monaco GP or not?

The latest race in Canada was quite competitive between Verstappen and Sainz in the last laps. Verstappen was able to win the race anyway by a slight margin like 0.993s after a late safety car. Let's see if we will see such competition again in this race as well.

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I'm going to try put in reeeeaaally early picks ahead of practice, and try not to touch them until main race. Could be a good strategy seeing as Canada appears to be a predictable track, and practice could be a lot of red herrings anyway.

I'm also going to throw in a bit of money on one of the underdog podium finishers, though odds are ridiculously bad for a supposed "predictable race".

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^ I like rain on some tracks, no rain for most others. Like Spa Belgium, Suzuka Japan and Silverstone, I don't like it to rain in specifically those tracks because those are the races I look most forward to every year. As for others, I could care less. If it's possible, I wish it would rain in the desert. Lol. Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the newer tracks are mostly boring. Rain would be welcome there.

But I think Singapore's night race would be very interesting if it rained. It would make the ambiance more exciting.

Here's the Canadian GP schedule for anybody interested.

2023 Canadian GP Schedule
Friday, 16 June: Practice 1 13:30 - 14:30
Friday, 16 June: Practice 2 17:00 - 18:00
Saturday, 17 June: Practice 3 12:30 - 13:30
Saturday, 17 June: Qualifying 16:00 - 17:00
Sunday, 18 June: Race 14:00

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Quote from: notblox1 on June 12, 2023, 04:09:30 PM

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We have the Canadian GP at the weekend. Mercedes looked really fast in Spain and we saw two drivers on podium. I wonder if they can maintain their speed in the next race as well. When it comes to Aston Martin they started the season really solid. Alonso has been on podium many times since the beginning of the season. But there was some drop in their performance in the Spanish GP. Alonso and Stroll both were quite away from podium. I wonder whether they can return stronger in Canada.

I think that Hamilton and Mercedes has good chances in Canada Grand Prix, he was third place last year and he won previous time in 2019.
Verstappen and Red Bull are still big favorites to win the race and I think they have the fastest formula car this year, but others are making improvements.
My only concern for this grand prix is bad weather and rain that could delay or cancel race, and mess up with tires selection in best case.

Weather seems clear in Canada on Saturday and Sunday for now. The other days are all rainy though so I also wonder if there would be any change later on. Rain makes races more interesting for me to watch because the probability of seeing more actions increases those times. Of course on tracks like Monaco it doesn't make a big impact about overtakes because the track is really tight. I hope rain doesn't cause any cancellation of course. Because right after controlling the situation about smokes coming from wildfires it wouldn't be nice to see this.

When it comes to Hamilton he has really been doing good on Canada track recently. Maybe it is very difficult for him to compete with Verstappen for the win but he might still be on podium. But his job is always going to be tough while there are many variables like Ferraris, Perez - Alonso duo and so on.

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Quote from: CLS63 on June 12, 2023, 10:22:05 AM

We have the Canadian GP at the weekend. Mercedes looked really fast in Spain and we saw two drivers on podium. I wonder if they can maintain their speed in the next race as well. When it comes to Aston Martin they started the season really solid. Alonso has been on podium many times since the beginning of the season. But there was some drop in their performance in the Spanish GP. Alonso and Stroll both were quite away from podium. I wonder whether they can return stronger in Canada.

I think that Hamilton and Mercedes has good chances in Canada Grand Prix, he was third place last year and he won previous time in 2019.
Verstappen and Red Bull are still big favorites to win the race and I think they have the fastest formula car this year, but others are making improvements.
My only concern for this grand prix is bad weather and rain that could delay or cancel race, and mess up with tires selection in best case.

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