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Levante doesn't stick to my mind as much as Cadiz, who beat both Real and Barca last season in memorable shockers:)

Quote from: DIA7 on August 23, 2021, 05:14:08 PM

It was a pretty good round for me first yellow cap for the season and considering that I missed out on the first game on Friday. I would probably wouldn't get the right prediction more likely I would predicted Betis to win.
By the way did the 0.5mbtc free bet from joining the pool and the competition have distributed ?because I have been checking since last week on Sportsbet.io and I don’t belleive I got it and since it expires in 48 hours I wouldn't like to miss out on them like I did before in the Copa America pool.

Well done mate! I was very lucky to pull up a little after a really really bad performance, some last minute changes to picks, though that very same tactic has also caused me some worry in the past.

I think Trofo will remind us if they are distributed. I get random free bets sometimes in my account it is always good to check (0.25mbtc usually though).

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Quote from: Trofo on August 23, 2021, 03:24:34 PM

Didn't Levante took lots of points from Real last season as well? I sort of remember Levante getting better end of bargain against Real recently but can't put my finger to it

I think that last season Real managed to win, but it is a hot ground for them, and they do not win that often in Levante

interesting fact, Levante is the wind that blows from the east (on Mediterranean coast), so maybe kings from Madrid do not have good results because east wind does not suit them, west wind would be better, nevertheless, I expected Real to win this season, but they failed and game was similar to last season Levante - Barcelona, ended up 3:3 as well, and Barcelona scored lead in first half

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It was a pretty good round for me first yellow cap for the season and considering that I missed out on the first game on Friday. I would probably wouldn't get the right prediction more likely I would predicted Betis to win.
By the way did the 0.5mbtc free bet from joining the pool and the competition have distributed ?because I have been checking since last week on Sportsbet.io and I don’t belleive I got it and since it expires in 48 hours I wouldn't like to miss out on them like I did before in the Copa America pool.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 23, 2021, 03:04:41 PM

I already wanted to post rant how bad I'm doing this round, but late goal from Lamela for Sevilla saved me from lost bet and wrong prediction. So, now I have 4.5 points after 9 games Cool

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But maybe except Real draw with Levante, there were no huge surprises this round. Though, there was mane games without clear favorite, so, it wasn't easy to pick which team to back.

Didn't Levante took lots of points from Real last season as well? I sort of remember Levante getting better end of bargain against Real recently but can't put my finger to it

I always have the same problem in the pools, I am good at getting ML predictions but terrible at getting correct scores which results in positions just on the verge of prizes but never good enough for actual prize.

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I already wanted to post rant how bad I'm doing this round, but late goal from Lamela for Sevilla saved me from lost bet and wrong prediction. So, now I have 4.5 points after 9 games Cool

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But maybe except Real draw with Levante, there were no huge surprises this round. Though, there was mane games without clear favorite, so, it wasn't easy to pick which team to back.

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 22, 2021, 05:11:31 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 22, 2021, 03:58:12 AM

I continue to do so badly in this pool even though it's the league I bet on the most. I guess now I know why I should just not play anymore:)

I had the same notion last season, despite La Liga being my 2nd favorite league after the EPL (due to being Barcelona supporter). However, I think I'm not so familiar with majority of the teams any longer after proper study, I used to rate most teams basically on what I thought they used to be rather than they currently are, I'm speaking of teams like Valencia, Getafe, Bilbao, Villarreal and co.. most of these teams used to be fight for the top 6-8 place, but last season they all struggle a lot and cost me a lot points.

La Liga's my favorite but I guess it is just because I've followed Barca for such a long time. I do know even most of the games been shown on tv was from EPL but I always really liked the Spanish style plus the crowds and those drums at the stadium.

It's different when betting I guess, as you study different things and are less emotional?

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 22, 2021, 05:11:31 PM

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I'm speaking of teams like Valencia, Getafe, Bilbao, Villarreal and co.. most of these teams used to be fight for the top 6-8 place, but last season they all struggle a lot and cost me a lot points.

but Bilbao and Villarreal had solid season, if I remember correctly, and Villarreal even won Europa league

nevertheless, last round highlight for me is that Luis Maximiano joined Granada, and I hope that he will take no.1 shirt as first goalkeeper, which will put Granada on low conceiving position this season (something to keep an eye on), it is interesting that Sporting Lisbon gave advantage to Adan, on their goal, and let one of most promising European goalkeepers to leave

last match proved that Levante ground is, as always, a tough ground for Real Madrid, good game, six goals and fifth draw in eigth matches in this round, two more to go today, both leaning to draws

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 22, 2021, 03:58:12 AM

I continue to do so badly in this pool even though it's the league I bet on the most. I guess now I know why I should just not play anymore:)

I had the same notion last season, despite La Liga being my 2nd favorite league after the EPL (due to being Barcelona supporter). However, I think I'm not so familiar with majority of the teams any longer after proper study, I used to rate most teams basically on what I thought they used to be rather than they currently are, I'm speaking of teams like Valencia, Getafe, Bilbao, Villarreal and co.. most of these teams used to be fight for the top 6-8 place, but last season they all struggle a lot and cost me a lot points.

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I continue to do so badly in this pool even though it's the league I bet on the most. I guess now I know why I should just not play anymore:)

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 21, 2021, 06:04:19 AM

Actually, there was Qatar Foundationband Qatar Airways before Rakuten, so Barca have shirt sponsor for 10 years already. In past most Barcelona players were from academy and club didn't spend so much money on transfers and were able to live without shirt sponsor. But things have changed under Rossel - he changed club business model and started buying stars like Neymar for hindreds of millions. And as we see, such model with terrible management doesn't work and club now in huge debt.

Oh actually you're right, I totally forgot about that. I have a burning memory of Unicef on the shirt for so long I forgot all about that as well but there you go. They started fooling around with money and then the money became a problem. They didn't even need expensive transfers already did so well without all the Galacticos of Real.

Lessons will hopefully be taught to them but I have no hope.

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But will Barcelona have a crisis in the next years ? I doubt it honestly. Yea , they might have issues regarding money but their young academy is having some great young talents right now and I'm sure a lot of them will be on Barca 1st team sooner than we expect.

I also do think that this year was the last one with transfers with names and from now one, the academy will slowly take over and don't get me wrong , Barcelona is having a golden youth academy. This will give time for everyone who is involved in club to regroup.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 21, 2021, 06:04:19 AM

Actually, there was Qatar Foundationband Qatar Airways before Rakuten, so Barca have shirt sponsor for 10 years already. In past most Barcelona players were from academy and club didn't spend so much money on transfers and were able to live without shirt sponsor. But things have changed under Rossel - he changed club business model and started buying stars like Neymar for hindreds of millions. And as we see, such model with terrible management doesn't work and club now in huge debt.

I am actually thinking this crises will be good for Barca in the long run, maybe 5-10 years time frame. Some if not most of the iconic players in Barca have started their processional carriers from Barca youth team. To write some of them from recent history that I remember from top of my head:
Lionel Messi - he came as very short kid (some disease?), nobody believed he could play professional football, there were some treatments involved in his early days
Xavi, Andrés Iniesta - You don't get better midfield duo than this
Carles Puyol, Gerard Piqué - proper defenders and dressing room leaders, team captains
Sergio Busquets, Victor Valdés - I don't rate these two as high as before mentioned, but Busquets is still very important part of the squad

If Barca turns to their youths and it seems like it will have to....

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 21, 2021, 03:10:24 AM

This is a strange world in football. I remember 15 years ago English teams like Manchester United and Liverpool were getting taken over and their fans were so angry, and everyone talked about the Barca model of club ownership and that it was the best in the world, that we didn't even need a shirt sponsor, we just put Unicef.

And actually this changed in 2016, when they put Rakuten on their shirt. So in 10 years somehow they went from financially strong to weak, and now even the club fan ownership can't do much about it.

I fear you are right, and FT is right, but well, what can us fans do but continue to support our club through tough times right?

Actually, there was Qatar Foundationband Qatar Airways before Rakuten, so Barca have shirt sponsor for 10 years already. In past most Barcelona players were from academy and club didn't spend so much money on transfers and were able to live without shirt sponsor. But things have changed under Rossel - he changed club business model and started buying stars like Neymar for hindreds of millions. And as we see, such model with terrible management doesn't work and club now in huge debt.

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Thanks for the article, unfortunately I couldn't read it (I think I already read 3 FT articles and then they block your IP after that unless you pay for it and I can't do anything on my browser using it from work). Will try read it later on mobile.

This is a strange world in football. I remember 15 years ago English teams like Manchester United and Liverpool were getting taken over and their fans were so angry, and everyone talked about the Barca model of club ownership and that it was the best in the world, that we didn't even need a shirt sponsor, we just put Unicef.

And actually this changed in 2016, when they put Rakuten on their shirt. So in 10 years somehow they went from financially strong to weak, and now even the club fan ownership can't do much about it.

I fear you are right, and FT is right, but well, what can us fans do but continue to support our club through tough times right?

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 20, 2021, 06:02:14 AM

I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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That is usual case but this time there has been a board change and it is in the interest of current president to give full debt situation and throw the blame on previous president. I believe those numbers are on the point since shit has hit the fan and there is no purpose in concealing anything. Shift the blame on old board and do the best possible to stabilise the club financialy, no other way.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 20, 2021, 06:02:14 AM

~snip
I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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https://www.ft.com/content/c2c8565a-e282-481c-8897-0530b0c81bce

one interesting article (it is pretty long), regarding Barca up, and sliding since 2015 CL title
TL;DR; - they are comparing Barca with ancient Rome, and predict that Barca will slide from top4 in La Liga in following seasons, but also explain what "La Liga Fair Play" means, and what is a problem with Barcelona wages, and why they could not sign Messi, and will have to let go few more until the end of the season
interesting times for Barca, seems that their financials are in the tunnel, and light is not that close at the moment

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Quote from: icopress on August 19, 2021, 11:00:38 AM

I checked, and I see that the club's debts do not exceed € 1.35 billion, although in reality, the financial affairs of Barcelona are not as bad as they seem, especially with the fact that Messi will no longer burden the financial statements of Barça. Although I cannot deny that Barca has really been living beyond their means for the past ten years, spending more and more money on salaries (much more than others and probably spending was higher than income).

In any case, I do not know the exact figures to operate with facts, but I am almost sure that the figure of 1.3 billion is greatly overestimated, if we talk about the balance (since the Catalans also have a lot of debtors). Anyway, Messi's departure is a great opportunity to start from scratch, working with young players.

I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 17, 2021, 01:51:18 AM

Now the only thing I'm worried about is Barca supposedly in 1.6 BILLION debt, which is horrendous to learn [...]

I checked, and I see that the club's debts do not exceed € 1.35 billion, although in reality, the financial affairs of Barcelona are not as bad as they seem, especially with the fact that Messi will no longer burden the financial statements of Barça. Although I cannot deny that Barca has really been living beyond their means for the past ten years, spending more and more money on salaries (much more than others and probably spending was higher than income).

In any case, I do not know the exact figures to operate with facts, but I am almost sure that the figure of 1.3 billion is greatly overestimated, if we talk about the balance (since the Catalans also have a lot of debtors). Anyway, Messi's departure is a great opportunity to start from scratch, working with young players.

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15/17 for me, as usual a horrible start. I really should quit these pools hehe.

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Now we just need Fati, Stegen, Dembele all back fit.

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Now the only thing I'm worried about is Barca supposedly in 1.6 BILLION debt, which is horrendous to learn (although maybe not such a big surprise).

Guys like Fati are less than a year on contract, and if we cannot offload the high wage players, then we also lose the youth talents because we can't even sign or extend them. It's not yet big news yet so maybe I'm wrong but what a nightmare if it's a valid concern.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 16, 2021, 09:38:37 AM

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anyhow, a couple of games tonight, i have both Villareal and Bilbao to win in our pool, but i don't see value in moneyline odds. I might just chill, go for a no football bets monday
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yeah, good decision, Bilbao was expected to get a draw (although not goalless), but Villareal should do better, they are obviously not in the best shape for now
in the end, shitty La liga round, when you count-out top4 teams, you have five draws and VCF won tough game with Getafe

is that making us member of top5 in Spanish football again, this could be a good season for Valencia in the end

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 15, 2021, 02:53:35 AM

Barca should score a couple, but I can't guarantee they'll not let in a few either!

you were right on the money.
I wanted to play a betbuilder yesterday with btts and total goals but SB wasn't allowing multi selections, i had to settle with singles but could've won bigger :/

anyhow, a couple of games tonight, i have both Villareal and Bilbao to win in our pool, but i don't see value in moneyline odds. I might just chill, go for a no football bets monday

Quote from: Trofo on August 15, 2021, 02:57:34 PM

Griezmann and Braithwhite played big parts when defending as well, Depay looked dangerous every time he had ball in his feet.

the team can finally defend with 10 men! Shocked

Koeman and the squad will never say it, but i think they're glad they now have one extra player for a defensive role

Quote from: slaman29 on August 16, 2021, 01:02:30 AM

Now we just need Fati, Stegen, Dembele all back fit.

heh!

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