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Quote from: slaman29 on August 21, 2021, 03:10:24 AM

This is a strange world in football. I remember 15 years ago English teams like Manchester United and Liverpool were getting taken over and their fans were so angry, and everyone talked about the Barca model of club ownership and that it was the best in the world, that we didn't even need a shirt sponsor, we just put Unicef.

And actually this changed in 2016, when they put Rakuten on their shirt. So in 10 years somehow they went from financially strong to weak, and now even the club fan ownership can't do much about it.

I fear you are right, and FT is right, but well, what can us fans do but continue to support our club through tough times right?

Actually, there was Qatar Foundationband Qatar Airways before Rakuten, so Barca have shirt sponsor for 10 years already. In past most Barcelona players were from academy and club didn't spend so much money on transfers and were able to live without shirt sponsor. But things have changed under Rossel - he changed club business model and started buying stars like Neymar for hindreds of millions. And as we see, such model with terrible management doesn't work and club now in huge debt.

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Thanks for the article, unfortunately I couldn't read it (I think I already read 3 FT articles and then they block your IP after that unless you pay for it and I can't do anything on my browser using it from work). Will try read it later on mobile.

This is a strange world in football. I remember 15 years ago English teams like Manchester United and Liverpool were getting taken over and their fans were so angry, and everyone talked about the Barca model of club ownership and that it was the best in the world, that we didn't even need a shirt sponsor, we just put Unicef.

And actually this changed in 2016, when they put Rakuten on their shirt. So in 10 years somehow they went from financially strong to weak, and now even the club fan ownership can't do much about it.

I fear you are right, and FT is right, but well, what can us fans do but continue to support our club through tough times right?

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 20, 2021, 06:02:14 AM

I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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That is usual case but this time there has been a board change and it is in the interest of current president to give full debt situation and throw the blame on previous president. I believe those numbers are on the point since shit has hit the fan and there is no purpose in concealing anything. Shift the blame on old board and do the best possible to stabilise the club financialy, no other way.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 20, 2021, 06:02:14 AM

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I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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https://www.ft.com/content/c2c8565a-e282-481c-8897-0530b0c81bce

one interesting article (it is pretty long), regarding Barca up, and sliding since 2015 CL title
TL;DR; - they are comparing Barca with ancient Rome, and predict that Barca will slide from top4 in La Liga in following seasons, but also explain what "La Liga Fair Play" means, and what is a problem with Barcelona wages, and why they could not sign Messi, and will have to let go few more until the end of the season
interesting times for Barca, seems that their financials are in the tunnel, and light is not that close at the moment

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Quote from: icopress on August 19, 2021, 11:00:38 AM

I checked, and I see that the club's debts do not exceed € 1.35 billion, although in reality, the financial affairs of Barcelona are not as bad as they seem, especially with the fact that Messi will no longer burden the financial statements of Barça. Although I cannot deny that Barca has really been living beyond their means for the past ten years, spending more and more money on salaries (much more than others and probably spending was higher than income).

In any case, I do not know the exact figures to operate with facts, but I am almost sure that the figure of 1.3 billion is greatly overestimated, if we talk about the balance (since the Catalans also have a lot of debtors). Anyway, Messi's departure is a great opportunity to start from scratch, working with young players.

I always assume that figures are underestimated, rather than over:) The things people like to hide are usually not good news or debts owed to them, rather hidden costs and liabilities. But I suppose at this point, it doesn't make a difference anymore 1 billion, 1.3 or 1.6. It's just a bad, bad news that we have to find a way around.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 17, 2021, 01:51:18 AM

Now the only thing I'm worried about is Barca supposedly in 1.6 BILLION debt, which is horrendous to learn [...]

I checked, and I see that the club's debts do not exceed € 1.35 billion, although in reality, the financial affairs of Barcelona are not as bad as they seem, especially with the fact that Messi will no longer burden the financial statements of Barça. Although I cannot deny that Barca has really been living beyond their means for the past ten years, spending more and more money on salaries (much more than others and probably spending was higher than income).

In any case, I do not know the exact figures to operate with facts, but I am almost sure that the figure of 1.3 billion is greatly overestimated, if we talk about the balance (since the Catalans also have a lot of debtors). Anyway, Messi's departure is a great opportunity to start from scratch, working with young players.

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15/17 for me, as usual a horrible start. I really should quit these pools hehe.

Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 16, 2021, 09:38:37 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 16, 2021, 01:02:30 AM

Now we just need Fati, Stegen, Dembele all back fit.

heh!

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Now the only thing I'm worried about is Barca supposedly in 1.6 BILLION debt, which is horrendous to learn (although maybe not such a big surprise).

Guys like Fati are less than a year on contract, and if we cannot offload the high wage players, then we also lose the youth talents because we can't even sign or extend them. It's not yet big news yet so maybe I'm wrong but what a nightmare if it's a valid concern.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 16, 2021, 09:38:37 AM

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anyhow, a couple of games tonight, i have both Villareal and Bilbao to win in our pool, but i don't see value in moneyline odds. I might just chill, go for a no football bets monday
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yeah, good decision, Bilbao was expected to get a draw (although not goalless), but Villareal should do better, they are obviously not in the best shape for now
in the end, shitty La liga round, when you count-out top4 teams, you have five draws and VCF won tough game with Getafe

is that making us member of top5 in Spanish football again, this could be a good season for Valencia in the end

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 15, 2021, 02:53:35 AM

Barca should score a couple, but I can't guarantee they'll not let in a few either!

you were right on the money.
I wanted to play a betbuilder yesterday with btts and total goals but SB wasn't allowing multi selections, i had to settle with singles but could've won bigger :/

anyhow, a couple of games tonight, i have both Villareal and Bilbao to win in our pool, but i don't see value in moneyline odds. I might just chill, go for a no football bets monday

Quote from: Trofo on August 15, 2021, 02:57:34 PM

Griezmann and Braithwhite played big parts when defending as well, Depay looked dangerous every time he had ball in his feet.

the team can finally defend with 10 men! Shocked

Koeman and the squad will never say it, but i think they're glad they now have one extra player for a defensive role

Quote from: slaman29 on August 16, 2021, 01:02:30 AM

Now we just need Fati, Stegen, Dembele all back fit.

heh!

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 15, 2021, 03:10:47 PM

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Late game between Sevilla and Rayo Vallecano starts now. Idss for Sevilla win is low, so I took over 2.5 @2.15.
Also, not sure why they gave such big odds for Atletico - 2.2 was bargain.

yeah, in the end, easy round for La liga, with all top teams winning their respective matches
Atletico won it, but it was not all roses for them during the match, Sevilla showed that they are here to be fourth again, decreasing Valencia chances for new CL next season

will be interesting to see Villareal tonight, what they could put on the pitch, Granada had their seasons, and this will lead to down part of the table probably

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I took Atletico, Barca and Sevilla, but was very idiotic to put City in together in my accumulator so failed. Worse was City was the first game along with Atleti. I should have doubled down on the remaining 3. Indeed 2.1x on Atletico was so good odds LTU... too bad I got too greedy.

Quote from: Trofo on August 15, 2021, 02:57:34 PM

Just watched whole Barca game and I must say I liked what I saw. They are playing fast football and Sociedad was nowhere to be seen. Griezmann and Braithwhite played big parts when defending as well, Depay looked dangerous every time he had ball in his feet. They only need Griezmann to find attacking form and Ter Stegen to come back from injury to again start dreaming about big things.

In the end Sociedad scored 2 goals but they did not deserve even that much. I had both to score on my ticket so good for them but they did not show much today, I had a feeling they are plying only to avoid total disaster instead trying to win.

You can't imagine how relieved I felt seeing Braithwaite take the responsibility. Now we just need Fati, Stegen, Dembele all back fit and we can have a bit more stability in the front and back department. I almost agree with you about Griezmann but I've learned all about not relying on him anymore.

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Quote from: Trofo on August 15, 2021, 02:57:34 PM

Just watched whole Barca game and I must say I liked what I saw. They are playing fast football and Sociedad was nowhere to be seen. Griezmann and Braithwhite played big parts when defending as well, Depay looked dangerous every time he had ball in his feet. They only need Griezmann to find attacking form and Ter Stegen to come back from injury to again start dreaming about big things.

In the end Sociedad scored 2 goals but they did not deserve even that much. I had both to score on my ticket so good for them but they did not show much today, I had a feeling they are plying only to avoid total disaster instead trying to win.

Indeed, very solid game of Barca, if not these 2 goals conceded in the end. But these goals don't reflect game at all. Who need Messi when we have Braithwaite? Just kidding Cheesy

. But seriously, it was probably best his game in Barcelona. Depay also played solid game.
Late game between Sevilla and Rayo Vallecano starts now. Idss for Sevilla win is low, so I took over 2.5 @2.15.
Also, not sure why they gave such big odds for Atletico - 2.2 was bargain.

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Just watched whole Barca game and I must say I liked what I saw. They are playing fast football and Sociedad was nowhere to be seen. Griezmann and Braithwhite played big parts when defending as well, Depay looked dangerous every time he had ball in his feet. They only need Griezmann to find attacking form and Ter Stegen to come back from injury to again start dreaming about big things.

In the end Sociedad scored 2 goals but they did not deserve even that much. I had both to score on my ticket so good for them but they did not show much today, I had a feeling they are plying only to avoid total disaster instead trying to win.

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What a bad start for me, almost like last season! I'm counting on my team tonight to help me make up for the lost points but honestly as long as we get 3 points I'm happy. First game post-Messi era, it's a new dawn for us. Just hope we pull it together and don't get all the reds and yellows we started out like last season!

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@vd309 (MoSalah right?) awesome haul indeed man, well bloody done. What a way to punch a lead!

Quote from: Harkorede on August 14, 2021, 04:26:55 PM

It's Real Madrid game to lose now, they've scored 3 goals in less than 20 minutes into 2nd Half, and you're literally right, It was 2 goals from Benzema, there surely no way back now. Real Madrid is the last game from my 5-game parlay.

Yeah, Real doing business as usual, am surprised they got off to such a quick start though but the Benz indeed has been in a rich vein of form and he'll be insistent on carrying this entire season on his shoulders.

@toma I have a feeling we'll be seeing very few clean sheets in La Liga in early games! Everyone's been focusing on attack;) Barca should score a couple, but I can't guarantee they'll not let in a few either!

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I think both Hazzard and Bale are feeling more ok with Ancelotti as coach even if Zidane is the best in the world right now and I think he patiently waits to take over national squad of France. This year might be one of the craziest in LaLiga in the last years as I see Real favorite followed by ATL.Madrid , Barcelona, Sevilla and Valencia top run after this 4.

Tomorrow looks like a day with goals but I feel a surprise might happen in one of the games...

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 14, 2021, 05:23:41 PM

team looked really good tonight, tho. Bale with a suprisingly good performance, Hazard was decent, Alaba immense, midfield was great with Modric playing like he's still in his 20s, and just another day in the office for karim. All in all, a solid start (:

Did not watch the game but if Hazard and Bale are showing signs of life and they manage to get close to their top form - Real will be very good this season. I expected Alaba to fir right in Real squad, Modric and Benzema are producing the goods almost every game for last couple of seasons so no reason to stop now

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 14, 2021, 01:40:28 PM

I'll just sit out betting on tonight. Maybe a BB on Barca tomorrow though!

told u benz was gonna show up tonight, although i was too optimistic about the clean sheet Cheesy

Barca tomorrow, i think i'll place .5 unit on BTTS. Have a feeling Sociedad will put up a good fight

Quote from: Harkorede on August 14, 2021, 04:26:55 PM

EDIT: Alaves have pulled one back from the penalty spot, I still don't expect any further drama, though.

brainfart from militao, but it was the first game of the season, so...

team looked really good tonight, tho. Bale with a suprisingly good performance, Hazard was decent, Alaba immense, midfield was great with Modric playing like he's still in his 20s, and just another day in the office for karim. All in all, a solid start (:

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 14, 2021, 10:25:54 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 13, 2021, 05:52:27 PM

So, season oficially started, congrats, folks

. So, we have 16 players, morethan last season, it's great, considering that we had slow start.

17 players now. But there are only 13 replies in the weekly free bet challenge thread Lips sealed

Quote from: buwaytress on August 14, 2021, 09:30:00 AM

Tempted to bet against Real Madrid tonight, but I'm going to wait for my other bets to pan out first.

u wot mate?? Angry

nah, we'll grab the 3 pts with a comfortable 0-2. Double from the old Benz (: ugh, but if former pro footballer fat boy Isco is playing, then we're sht out of luck cuz we'll be playing with 10 men

It's Real Madrid game to lose now, they've scored 3 goals in less than 20 minutes into 2nd Half, and you're literally right, It was 2 goals from Benzema, there surely no way back now. Real Madrid is the last game from my 5-game parlay.

EDIT: Alaves have pulled one back from the penalty spot, I still don't expect any further drama, though.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on August 14, 2021, 10:25:54 AM

u wot mate?? Angry

nah, we'll grab the 3 pts with a comfortable 0-2. Double from the old Benz (: ugh, but if former pro footballer fat boy Isco is playing, then we're sht out of luck cuz we'll be playing with 10 men

Yeah, odds aren't pretty either so I'm still dragging my feet. Have just about broke even in EPL action. Lost almost all the underdogs so far, but have got unexpected luck on matches I wasn't even watching. Two big parlay losses evened out by a Chelsea to win both halves (2/1 I thought it was good value) and even Watford to win (35/10) so I'm pleased to be home and dry, I'll just sit out betting on tonight. Maybe a BB on Barca tomorrow though!

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