I love VAR - I really think it was needed. Too many important decisions have gone the wrong way to 'Uniteds' of their time in the past, it simply isn't possible with VAR and that is something to compliment.
On the other hand, for the love of God, how can you let an incorrect decision stand just because the rules say when you can overrule and when not? I don't know if you have heard the video - I'm linking it here.
This is in my opinion the mistake of English FA, which has been using VAR way worse than all other countries combined since its inception.
Just listen to this, it really is insane.
As a Liverpool fan, this recording makes me go berserk.
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October 08, 2023, 04:57:15 AM
October 07, 2023, 03:16:41 PM
or I'd have been heartbroken by United =)
As much as most you guys hate United, actually none picked United to lose today which is rare considering that their record was pretty bad so far. 25 players got exact scores from 2-1 United thanks to Super Scott.
It may be a matter of time before Manchester United sack him,
Considering that some players were injured and he is struggling with the rest of the remaining players, I guess he wont be sacked for now. Its going to be a rough season for United but Im still pretty sure that we stand a good chance to get to top 4 again. Its going to be a wild dream to even consider that we are going to win the league so getting to top would be much realistic by this point
October 07, 2023, 02:48:43 PM
So far a good round for me got for the first time 6/6 picks. Too bad about Fulham could have got in that match 3 points but late goal killed me. Hopefully sunday will be good for me aswell like today,but so many hard games i think i cannot go for 10/10 but will do my best. Man City match is the most worrying match of all.
October 07, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
VAR is a joke. I think football is better without it in its current form. It wastes far too much time and there's no need to check every goal to see if they can find something and the offsides that they needs to draw digital lines to see if someone was offside by a millimetre are pathetic. Who cares?...
I do not think the problem is VAR but its implementation in the league. VAR is working every where else with no major talking points or contestable decisions. It wastes a lot of time, true, but we cannot stop technology from creeping into everything to eliminate the margins of human error, the problem is it is not eliminating the error due to poor implementation.Poch explained the VAR situation better yesterday in his pre match conference he said and I quote " I trust in the CAR ( VAR) but not the Driver ( refs). The technology is good but it's just in the wrong hands.
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It may be a matter of time before Manchester United sack him, heavily dependent on results at the end of the champions league group stage. Although it is beginning to beg the question, after 5 managers and complete overhaul of players, if they are the problem. The expectation is high based on past results, but a club can only live in the past for so long.
I'm not sure he's getting sacked anytime soon but his decision to get De Gea sacked to bring In a mid GK ( Onana) will get him into trouble + his bad relationship with his players. He's technically gifted but he's player's management is questionable.
October 07, 2023, 02:28:34 PM
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Anyway, McTominay really saved Ten Hag's ass today. Imagine being subbed in on 87' minutes then scored 2 goals to saved his ass, thats literally 10 minutes and he is not even a striker. On the other hand, Onana sucks
Anyway, McTominay really saved Ten Hag's ass today. Imagine being subbed in on 87' minutes then scored 2 goals to saved his ass, thats literally 10 minutes and he is not even a striker. On the other hand, Onana sucks
yeah, what a saver, and Brentford was unlucky too
United deserves to struggle a lot this season
on the other side, chances and shots finally paid off at home for Everton, 3:0 against Bournemouth, to catch breath before tougher fixtures that are coming after international break
fun fact, Everton has 2 wins and 7 loses in last 9 EPL fixtures at home, and both wins against Bournemouth (last one in final round last season, to secure survival), not a good position to play
October 07, 2023, 02:26:15 PM
For now yeah but if either Arsenal or City win tomorrow then Tottenham is going to drop to #2. Considering that they lost Kane, they are doing pretty good and I thought they would be struggling abit without Kane but it seems they are far better now without him
I will not say they are better without Kane, but they have definitely done very well without him and no solid replacement. Ange Postecoglou has done a great job with the available resources.Anyway, McTominay really saved Ten Hag's ass today. Imagine being subbed in on 87' minutes then scored 2 goals to saved his ass, thats literally 10 minutes and he is not even a striker. On the other hand, Onana sucks
It may be a matter of time before Manchester United sack him, heavily dependent on results at the end of the champions league group stage. Although it is beginning to beg the question, after 5 managers and complete overhaul of players, if they are the problem. The expectation is high based on past results, but a club can only live in the past for so long.- Jay -
October 07, 2023, 01:26:15 PM
VAR. I always said, I'm not anti-tech, just wary of poor implementation as un_rank says, and in interfering with grey areas. Goals are black and white, ball out of play, contact fouls (since fouls are fouls) but we keep forgetting offside is not black and white and officials now need to determine if players gained advantage to call offside. Hence the ridiculousness of armpit calls and finger pointing calls.
Not to mention how opaque and closed-source VAR tech is. You want to outsource tech, fine, but I'd never outsource a service I can't even inspect.
Back to EPL action, all the favourites won tonight, whimper of an end to the night with 0-0 Palace-Forest showing a single card. Good thing no underdog odds were tempting, or I'd have been heartbroken by United =)
Not to mention how opaque and closed-source VAR tech is. You want to outsource tech, fine, but I'd never outsource a service I can't even inspect.
Back to EPL action, all the favourites won tonight, whimper of an end to the night with 0-0 Palace-Forest showing a single card. Good thing no underdog odds were tempting, or I'd have been heartbroken by United =)
October 07, 2023, 11:25:38 AM
Tottenham on top of the league is not something that was expected at this point in the season, with their best start in over 60 years.
The manager has been doing a fantastic job of managing the players. It was just Luton, but they will be fancying a top 4 finish this season at this rate.
- Jay -
The manager has been doing a fantastic job of managing the players. It was just Luton, but they will be fancying a top 4 finish this season at this rate.
- Jay -
For now yeah but if either Arsenal or City win tomorrow then Tottenham is going to drop to #2. Considering that they lost Kane, they are doing pretty good and I thought they would be struggling abit without Kane but it seems they are far better now without him
Anyway, McTominay really saved Ten Hag's ass today. Imagine being subbed in on 87' minutes then scored 2 goals to saved his ass, thats literally 10 minutes and he is not even a striker. On the other hand, Onana sucks
October 07, 2023, 08:41:18 AM
VAR is a joke. I think football is better without it in its current form. It wastes far too much time and there's no need to check every goal to see if they can find something and the offsides that they needs to draw digital lines to see if someone was offside by a millimetre are pathetic. Who cares?...
I do not think the problem is VAR but its implementation in the league. VAR is working every where else with no major talking points or contestable decisions. It wastes a lot of time, true, but we cannot stop technology from creeping into everything to eliminate the margins of human error, the problem is it is not eliminating the error due to poor implementation.Tottenham on top of the league is not something that was expected at this point in the season, with their best start in over 60 years.
The manager has been doing a fantastic job of managing the players. It was just Luton, but they will be fancying a top 4 finish this season at this rate.
- Jay -
October 06, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
Hoping Liverpool put officiating incompetence behind us this weekend and see a vengeful performance with a win against Brighton. I like what I see so far and an incompetent/corrupt bunch of officials in the Spurs game will not change that. The Red Men are going nowhere, I expect a win on the road at Brighton.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
Arsenal vs Man City should be a game to look forward to, I just don't know if that will a be more interesting game compared to Brighton vs Liverpool, however, both games being played at different time after each other gives a bit more to look forward to in one or the other.
Heard Saka is supposedly in contention to be available, I don't know how true the news is but that'd be good news for Arsenal if fully fit, even though it was Mikel Arteta extreme form of carelessness and Ignorance that put him in this current situation.
Also looking forward to the Arsenal - City game, City will struggle against Arsenal's press without KDB. I'm probably gonna bet on Arsenal winning this one.
No game is currently being easy for City but without KDB they've been excellent still with Foden and Alvarez doing magnificent job with the chances creation, Man City biggest worry here might be Rodrigo, he's been a bigger blow to Man City imo.
October 06, 2023, 11:45:13 AM
Hoping Liverpool put officiating incompetence behind us this weekend and see a vengeful performance with a win against Brighton. I like what I see so far and an incompetent/corrupt bunch of officials in the Spurs game will not change that. The Red Men are going nowhere, I expect a win on the road at Brighton.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
I have a feeling we'll be looking for vengeance. Brighton has shown they can't play on 2 fronts, their team is not deep enough, and I expect us to win as well - they like to play quite open which will leave a lot of space behind their back line.
I hope Trent plays, he's perfect for these kind of games.
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Also looking forward to the Arsenal - City game, City will struggle against Arsenal's press without KDB. I'm probably gonna bet on Arsenal winning this one.
October 06, 2023, 10:54:56 AM
Hoping Liverpool put officiating incompetence behind us this weekend and see a vengeful performance with a win against Brighton. I like what I see so far and an incompetent/corrupt bunch of officials in the Spurs game will not change that. The Red Men are going nowhere, I expect a win on the road at Brighton.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
Elsewhere, the Arsenal vs Man City game should be a cracker. Hopefully we’ll see lots of goals, a draw would work out nicely for my team.
October 05, 2023, 03:23:09 PM
You know, I remember very well the times before VAR, so I cannot agree. Previously, we could see two-meter offsides, the ball jumping out of the goal (and therefore not counted), the most blatant simulations in almost every round. Now we probably do this once every six months and therefore we are very indignant - since we have simply become accustomed to the fact that such mistakes have no place in football. But the human factor is still there (as in the case of Liverpool where VAR worked correctly but the referees made a mistake in communication).
And VAR was implemented to solve these close margin offside calls and not to make it worse
But it seems to me that if we just take the number of errors, it has decreased significantly. In addition, the number of potential violations has decreased - many players do not simulate violations of the rules or refrain from breaking them because they know that VAR can detect this.
I will not mind seeing the semi-automated VAR technology in use in Europe being included in the EPL. It will help eliminate any doubts in really close calls, like the Gernacho goal against Arsenal.
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
The English Football Association would not implement any technology over which they have no control or know how to manipulate; we witnessed how long it took for VAR technology to be accepted in the EPL.
The fact that VAR came to football much later than in sports such as tennis and others is truly a shame and evidence of deep corruption. But now the main changes have been made and further improvements are only a matter of time.
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October 05, 2023, 03:22:30 PM
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This season's officiating has been mostly poor. Diaz's goal was an apparent Onside, and I'm not sure how the ref and VAR missed it. Has the recording been delivered to Liverpool yet? I'd like to know what the VAR and the ref were talking about at the moment.
The released recording which I am sure everyone has seen at this point just pokes more holes into the idea that VAR reduces human error. I find it difficult to fathom that they mis-communicated that the goal was given and then assumed they could no longer interfere in an obvious game changing decision 3 seconds after the mistake was made, but will rather wait till the end of the match to issue an apology, it is quite ridiculous.No one expected VAR to eliminate errors completely, but the possibility of a replay review and discussions between experienced referees should reduce it to a minimal level at the very least. The opposite has happened and there has been so much inconsistencies and variations in interpretations of the rules. What is more ironic is VAR is not having such issues in other leagues around Europe, so it is obviously an EPL problem with the officiating and not the technology.
VAR is a joke. I think football is better without it in its current form. It wastes far too much time and there's no need to check every goal to see if they can find something and the offsides that they needs to draw digital lines to see if someone was offside by a millimetre are pathetic. Who cares? If you don't have an angle that's running straight down the line - which they usually never do - then you can't always be 100% accurate anyway from an obtuse angle. I've seen lots of goals disallowed that from one angle it looks offside and from a photographer's perspective on the touchline it wasn't.
October 05, 2023, 03:15:02 PM
You know, I remember very well the times before VAR, so I cannot agree. Previously, we could see two-meter offsides, the ball jumping out of the goal (and therefore not counted), the most blatant simulations in almost every round. Now we probably do this once every six months and therefore we are very indignant - since we have simply become accustomed to the fact that such mistakes have no place in football. But the human factor is still there (as in the case of Liverpool where VAR worked correctly but the referees made a mistake in communication).
And VAR was implemented to solve these close margin offside calls and not to make it worse
I will not mind seeing the semi-automated VAR technology in use in Europe being included in the EPL. It will help eliminate any doubts in really close calls, like the Gernacho goal against Arsenal.
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
The English Football Association would not implement any technology over which they have no control or know how to manipulate; we witnessed how long it took for VAR technology to be accepted in the EPL.
October 05, 2023, 02:51:39 PM
I will not mind seeing the semi-automated VAR technology in use in Europe being included in the EPL. It will help eliminate any doubts in really close calls, like the Gernacho goal against Arsenal.
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
Then the communication between the officials need to be publicly available and not on request. This will go some way to restore trust in the technology.
- Jay -
October 05, 2023, 02:39:59 PM
VAR has failed totally since its implementation, and it will continue to fail as long as the corrupt refs continue to operate and make decisions. When VAR was introduced,.I assumed it would be an independent entity from the Refeeres association.
What happened to the goal line technology used in the Qatar World Cup? Why wasn't it used for league matches? It is more advanced and better than what we currently have.
Last week, Christian Pulisic called for the removal of VAR; technology is getting worse, and these players are no longer pleased.
What happened to the goal line technology used in the Qatar World Cup? Why wasn't it used for league matches? It is more advanced and better than what we currently have.
Last week, Christian Pulisic called for the removal of VAR; technology is getting worse, and these players are no longer pleased.
You know, I remember very well the times before VAR, so I cannot agree. Previously, we could see two-meter offsides, the ball jumping out of the goal (and therefore not counted), the most blatant simulations in almost every round. Now we probably do this once every six months and therefore we are very indignant - since we have simply become accustomed to the fact that such mistakes have no place in football. But the human factor is still there (as in the case of Liverpool where VAR worked correctly but the referees made a mistake in communication).
October 05, 2023, 02:34:47 PM
This season's officiating has been mostly poor. Diaz's goal was an apparent Onside, and I'm not sure how the ref and VAR missed it. Has the recording been delivered to Liverpool yet? I'd like to know what the VAR and the ref were talking about at the moment.
The released recording which I am sure everyone has seen at this point just pokes more holes into the idea that VAR reduces human error. I find it difficult to fathom that they mis-communicated that the goal was given and then assumed they could no longer interfere in an obvious game changing decision 3 seconds after the mistake was made, but will rather wait till the end of the match to issue an apology, it is quite ridiculous.No one expected VAR to eliminate errors completely, but the possibility of a replay review and discussions between experienced referees should reduce it to a minimal level at the very least. The opposite has happened and there has been so much inconsistencies and variations in interpretations of the rules. What is more ironic is VAR is not having such issues in other leagues around Europe, so it is obviously an EPL problem with the officiating and not the technology.
VAR has failed totally since its implementation, and it will continue to fail as long as the corrupt refs continue to operate and make decisions. When VAR was introduced,.I assumed it would be an independent entity from the Refeeres association.
What happened to the goal line technology used in the Qatar World Cup? Why wasn't it used for league matches? It is more advanced and better than what we currently have.
Last week, Christian Pulisic called for the removal of VAR; technology is getting worse, and these players are no longer pleased.
October 05, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
This season's officiating has been mostly poor. Diaz's goal was an apparent Onside, and I'm not sure how the ref and VAR missed it. Has the recording been delivered to Liverpool yet? I'd like to know what the VAR and the ref were talking about at the moment.
The released recording which I am sure everyone has seen at this point just pokes more holes into the idea that VAR reduces human error. I find it difficult to fathom that they mis-communicated that the goal was given and then assumed they could no longer interfere in an obvious game changing decision 3 seconds after the mistake was made, but will rather wait till the end of the match to issue an apology, it is quite ridiculous.No one expected VAR to eliminate errors completely, but the possibility of a replay review and discussions between experienced referees should reduce it to a minimal level at the very least. The opposite has happened and there has been so much inconsistencies and variations in interpretations of the rules. What is more ironic is VAR is not having such issues in other leagues around Europe, so it is obviously an EPL problem with the officiating and not the technology.
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