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^ Wtf. Lol... But it wasn't really just a B squad. It was a B+ squad. Grin

And it's prolly the hectic schedule of fixtures during the cold of winter taking its toll on the team. They went against Chelsea twice then Southampton all in a span of a week. I wonder what the line was for Southampton.

But yeah, Guardiola had to cos City is going against United this weekend. I wonder how the schedule is going to take its toll in this match. United at 4.20 could be value.

What I feel like could really be value is Fullham draw no bet at 2.85 vs a Chesea squad which might have lost its identity.

Edit: Is Joao Felix gonna play?

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Quote from: swogerino on January 11, 2023, 09:44:23 AM

I strongly agree with your view especially after seeing now that in the EFL cup a lot of the Premier League teams are in the quarter finals so I think how can these teams value more the second cup of England compared to FA cup?

I only have an answer for this,maybe these teams had some easy opponents along the way but seeing the history of the games didn't look like that,so I cannot understand this.I have to see in tonight games which are all Premier League teams playing,see how will they play,how much will they be motivated,maybe they think that it is easier to win this cup rather than FA as I cannot find another logic into this.

Just look at Man City yesterday. They fielded an obvious weakened B-Team and now they've been knocked out by Southampton. I didn't even realise it was the quarter finals. That cup might end up being their only chance at Silverware and now they've gone and blown it. The cups are basically only taken seriously by the smaller teams now who do their best. Forrest and Newcastle are still in it along with Southampton so maybe they might take it more seriously than Man United who are the only other club still in it, though I think United might now push for it given it's probably the only thing they're in with a chance of winning this year.

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Quote from: buwaytress on January 11, 2023, 07:25:44 AM

Have managed to watch most of Liverpool and actually a great deal of World Cup, but have definitely not been able to watch other games or keep up with developments. Real life has a really nice way to get into the mix and it's not that I don't have time mostly, just not the availability to sit down and get into it.

My take on Liverpool:
- complete physical shellshock from last season's exertions that they have not had the chance to recover from (only a real holiday can rest that deep fatigue).
- injuries to main plan has forced makeshift attack
- Nunez unlucky. Now, I'm the first to say a flop is a flop but I watch this guy and he creates chances out of nothing and puts himself in incredible positions. Yes his finishing seems off, but he tries majority from outside the box or just on the edge. It's not like say, Sterling or Havertz who get so close and finish badly after being served on a plate.

Man Utd is creeping up the board too... 20 wins from 29 this season is impressive, given their troubles. Arsenal too. I put both down to high performing players (Rashford and Saka come to mind).

I watched all of the games and this has been fantastically written.

Liverpool is the worst team in the league in successful tackles percentage, add to that constant rotations due to injuries and you get an exhausted team that is full of players that have to keep playing.
Our pressing is nonexistent, which hinders our defensive game more than any statistic can show.

In our last game we made 14 tackles, half of them unsuccessful, with Thiago having 6 of these. Henderson and Fabinho were without a successful tackle in 90 minutes of football.

This team needs a hard reset, I expect us to be way better after the full summer break but there's still CL to fight for. Not getting top 4 will raise many unwanted questions - and I feel like we'll come up just short of the places leading there.

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Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

FA cup has history on its side, it is the oldest national competition in the world, only football of course. It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

It's a shame that big clubs don't take it seriously anymore. The top ones just treat it as a friendly match for them to put out a B team to experiment with. Long gone are the days when teams would go for the double/treble. Now it just seem the PL and CL is all they care about. Some of the big clubs even get pretty far in the domestic cups and they still don't take the quarters or semis serious. Winning the FA Cup is surely better than getting knocked out in the CL at some point.

I strongly agree with your view especially after seeing now that in the EFL cup a lot of the Premier League teams are in the quarter finals so I think how can these teams value more the second cup of England compared to FA cup?

I only have an answer for this,maybe these teams had some easy opponents along the way but seeing the history of the games didn't look like that,so I cannot understand this.I have to see in tonight games which are all Premier League teams playing,see how will they play,how much will they be motivated,maybe they think that it is easier to win this cup rather than FA as I cannot find another logic into this.

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Quote from: Trofo on January 10, 2023, 09:08:39 AM

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 09, 2023, 07:59:22 AM

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

FA cup has history on its side, it is the oldest national competition in the world, only football of course. It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

It's a shame that big clubs don't take it seriously anymore. The top ones just treat it as a friendly match for them to put out a B team to experiment with. Long gone are the days when teams would go for the double/treble. Now it just seem the PL and CL is all they care about. Some of the big clubs even get pretty far in the domestic cups and they still don't take the quarters or semis serious. Winning the FA Cup is surely better than getting knocked out in the CL at some point.

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Quote from: Welsh on January 10, 2023, 02:22:32 PM

I just haven't watched enough football this season to even attempt predictions this side of the year. I've been away too much in the last few months. Liverpool are incredibly unreliable, and I'm not even sure what's the problem since I haven't been able to watch many of the games. I'm looking forward to the end of the season, so I can start anew in the next season. Since, I honestly don't know much about this season across the teams.

Seems Manchester United, and Arsenal have recovered from a few years of poor performances. City seem a little less consistent this year, and a little less dominant, but I can't be sure in that.

Have managed to watch most of Liverpool and actually a great deal of World Cup, but have definitely not been able to watch other games or keep up with developments. Real life has a really nice way to get into the mix and it's not that I don't have time mostly, just not the availability to sit down and get into it.

My take on Liverpool:
- complete physical shellshock from last season's exertions that they have not had the chance to recover from (only a real holiday can rest that deep fatigue).
- injuries to main plan has forced makeshift attack
- Nunez unlucky. Now, I'm the first to say a flop is a flop but I watch this guy and he creates chances out of nothing and puts himself in incredible positions. Yes his finishing seems off, but he tries majority from outside the box or just on the edge. It's not like say, Sterling or Havertz who get so close and finish badly after being served on a plate.

Man Utd is creeping up the board too... 20 wins from 29 this season is impressive, given their troubles. Arsenal too. I put both down to high performing players (Rashford and Saka come to mind).

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I just haven't watched enough football this season to even attempt predictions this side of the year. I've been away too much in the last few months. Liverpool are incredibly unreliable, and I'm not even sure what's the problem since I haven't been able to watch many of the games. I'm looking forward to the end of the season, so I can start anew in the next season. Since, I honestly don't know much about this season across the teams.

Seems Manchester United, and Arsenal have recovered from a few years of poor performances. City seem a little less consistent this year, and a little less dominant, but I can't be sure in that.

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Quote from: Trofo on January 10, 2023, 09:08:39 AM

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It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

FA cup has history on its side, it is the oldest national competition in the world, only football of course. It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

Man that really brought memories. I didn't know much about football outside my country until late 1990s but my grandfather would always watch the live FA cup games in the 80s. "Road to Wembley" program every weekend if I recall correctly and indeed, the only foreign club games you could watch on TV in those days but they all played past midnight so I wasn't allowed to stay up. But you could hear the music and the commentary and I imagined it anyway.

That theme song still plays fresh in my mind. Just looked it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYFu3cbdnuU. All us kids would sing that song before we played football or pretended to lift a trophy. Not World Cup. Not any other cup. But the English FA Cup haha.

Dunhill sponsored so much football in those days even in my country.

Honestly, I still watch it as much as I can but I'm even watching League Cup haha. And when I was in the UK some years back, I still enjoyed watching the pre-match programmes, even the build up, days before. So I think it's definitely a generational thing. Nostalgia. My kid doesn't give a rat's ass about it even when his team plays.

Would love to win it again, but would love even better for some none PL team to get it. We honestly don't really deserve it... playing the kids until the semifinal/finals heh.

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Quote from: Trofo on January 10, 2023, 09:08:39 AM

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It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

it has more than a charm, and I would not call it normal for clubs to prioritize European competitions, it is because money has eaten football in 30 years, and that is not normal, IMO
but, you can see lower end clubs to fight in FA cup with Premier league clubs (although all those are mostly professional clubs, you will hardly find clubs below LeagueTwo that fight in FA cup rounds)

Stevenage was prime example, not sure if anyone saw their goals, but that are not short of quality, and they are fighting Leyton for top spot in L2, saw their match in L2, and it was football on European level

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Quote from: Trofo on January 10, 2023, 09:08:39 AM

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 09, 2023, 07:59:22 AM

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

FA cup has history on its side, it is the oldest national competition in the world, only football of course. It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

Maybe but I see a lot of teams from lower divisions valuing this cup a lot and as far as I know it still is the most important cup in England.Today for example we have about a couple of games in the English League Cup but I don't think teams here play as seriously as they do in the FA cup,in this context I think that the FA cup is still the most valued and respected cup in England.

Of course teams having to fight for the Champions League like Newcastle they simply does not want to lose to have another go in their home field where I am sure they will qualify further.Also problematic teams like Chelsea and lower ranked teams in the Premier League like Aston Villa and Nottingham may as well not give this cup the due respect it deserves because they will think more for the Premier League.

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 09, 2023, 07:59:22 AM

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

FA cup has history on its side, it is the oldest national competition in the world, only football of course. It still has a lot of charm, but money took away a lot from FA cup. It just doesn't pay nowhere near the money European places in the Premier League and it is normal that clubs prioritize that.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 09, 2023, 09:46:24 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on January 09, 2023, 07:59:22 AM

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

It was so important even in Asia that before satelite tv came with all the live shows, national TV and radio even broadcast FA Cup programmes including prematch discussions and it was a big thing that everyone would play to win.

It changed after Champions League qualification was more "valuable" than FA Cup (which doesn't qualify you).

Also lower side PL teams prefer to fight survival (and keep earning more money) than to win FA Cup.

I definitely think some teams no longer value this cup.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 07, 2023, 04:12:30 PM

Newcastle's lost to S. Wednesday... This is insane; I guess Eddie Howe underestimated the Wednesday and was punished for it. Grin

That's the thing with some clubs. In their 'off days' they tend to take it easy and play at the level of their competition. They'll def learn from it, move on and do better next time. But I didn't watch the match tho. I did hear some stuff about the ref blatantly favoring Newcastle the whole match and still got a loss against a lower tier club. Lol.

But yeah, I'm glad that's over and done with so we get to watch the real thing next weekend. It's the Manchester derby ladies and gents.

And the North London derby the next day!

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Fulham is actually in great shape lately, and even this squad was good enough to beat Hull

I have to admit I really underestimated this team, even knowing that their main striker was coming up from the lower league with a good scoring record. Seems like a much cheaper but equally effective "Benzema" who can play even though injured and still comes up with all the goals.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 07, 2023, 04:12:30 PM

Since Manchester City has been dominating the league, the FA Cup and the League Cup have been the only hope for any other top six teams to win a trophy. I recall the FA Cup and the League Cup being a competition for bench players and academy players until Mourinho started fielding his best players for the competition and there was a comment he made ( i cant remember) that made other top clubs start fielding their main squads as well. Arsene Wenger was the only manager who continued to use feeders until things started to get tougher

Newcastle's lost to S. Wednesday... This is insane; I guess Eddie Howe underestimated the Wednesday and was punished for it. Grin

You forgot that League cup has also been dominated by City and we have to thank Leicester and Liverpool for making sure they don't win FA cup last season also.

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

I don't think it was Mourinho.I know that in England FA cup is the most valued cup by all the teams because they a couple of other cups going but not as famous as this one,this is the most important one,we saw that with lower league teams beating the hell out of Premier League sides and this says a lot about the importance of such cup.You may think that these Premier League sides underestimated the value of this cup but this is not the reality,the reality is that they were found unprepared during such matches and that is why it is better to bet both teams to score rather than money lines here,a lot of surprise results.

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 07, 2023, 01:53:58 PM

Fulham is actually in great shape lately, and even this squad was good enough to beat Hull

I have to admit I really underestimated this team, even knowing that their main striker was coming up from the lower league with a good scoring record. Seems like a much cheaper but equally effective "Benzema" who can play even though injured and still comes up with all the goals.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 07, 2023, 04:12:30 PM

Since Manchester City has been dominating the league, the FA Cup and the League Cup have been the only hope for any other top six teams to win a trophy. I recall the FA Cup and the League Cup being a competition for bench players and academy players until Mourinho started fielding his best players for the competition and there was a comment he made ( i cant remember) that made other top clubs start fielding their main squads as well. Arsene Wenger was the only manager who continued to use feeders until things started to get tougher

Newcastle's lost to S. Wednesday... This is insane; I guess Eddie Howe underestimated the Wednesday and was punished for it. Grin

You forgot that League cup has also been dominated by City and we have to thank Leicester and Liverpool for making sure they don't win FA cup last season also.

Was it really Mourinho who made the cup games "exciting" again?

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Quote from: CLS63 on January 07, 2023, 09:37:02 AM

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So many games today in the FA Cup 3rd round. Strictly off topic as tris is a PL thread but whatever Cheesy

Will there be any upsets today, any smaller teams getting through to the 4th round with a giant killing performance?

What do you think guys?

Also may I just say RIP to Gianluca Vialli, a truly elite striker.

English teams are caring about the FA Cup quite much. Because of this they are starting the matches with a lineup close to their main ones. So the probability of seeing a surprise is lower. Today Tottenham barely managed to advance to next stage against Portsmouth despite having star players like Kane and Son on the field. I see Hull City having a potential to make a surprise today. I won't be very surprised if they eliminate Fulham.

Since Manchester City has been dominating the league, the FA Cup and the League Cup have been the only hope for any other top six teams to win a trophy. I recall the FA Cup and the League Cup being a competition for bench players and academy players until Mourinho started fielding his best players for the competition and there was a comment he made ( i cant remember) that made other top clubs start fielding their main squads as well. Arsene Wenger was the only manager who continued to use feeders until things started to get tougher

Newcastle's lost to S. Wednesday... This is insane; I guess Eddie Howe underestimated the Wednesday and was punished for it. Grin

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I am not feeling that well for the Newcastle game while all other Premier League teams that played against lower divisions so far have won their games,I don't think I have missed some game.It is always great when there are no surprises from the low divisions as back a couple of years ago surprises were very well happening even to big teams of the Premier League.

I thought why no Premier League games this weekend while all other major leagues were playing,it is because of the FA cup,I am not happy every time there is no Premier League action during a weekend but at least this will cool down the teams a bit so they can focus on their next Premier League game the upcoming weekend.

Edit:Did not see the defeat of Nottingham so surprises were also here.

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 07, 2023, 12:29:14 PM

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Fulham are on top of Hull but personally I think there is less chance of upset from teams who played recently in lower leagues like Fulham or even Leeds, whereas Spurs and Chelsea etc always seem to act surprised playing against tough teams who don't give them space.

Fulham is actually in great shape lately, and even this squad was good enough to beat Hull

Everton lost yesterday from United, and Lampard is holding by a straw on his managerial position, Southampton loss would probably be last one for him, although Everton played good game last night, and showed that they can survive this one, although Iwobi is now out as well

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Yes I know FA Cup but all Prem league ties still count, no?

Nice to see Saints go through and JWP getting back some of his lost goalscoring form. Hoping Brentford go through but Hammers will likely snatch this is it goes to pens.

Wolves are also 14/1 against Liverpool today and I think that's a gross underestimation of the away team -- who face Kelleher in goal, and almost surely a second-string team featuring Milner and no VVD... I still put in some change on Liverpool ML, but only because I support them and for no other reason. 13/10 on a weak team would never be my pick for a regular team...

Quote from: slaman29 on January 07, 2023, 12:29:14 PM

Shock or not? Bournemouth no, because Burnley is #1 in Championship league and Bournemouth #16 in Premier League. Blackpool big shock yes, only won 6/26 games in this season!

Yeah cup games are nice when you see "lopsided" games like these, that actually aren't that much of a difference in quality as you point out: 5 positions apart but in different leagues, definitely some value over there. You should check out Championship thread if you follow these teams -- I still feel like there's enough quality there and it gives you some clues over next season transfers as EPL has a habit of buying top strikers from there (if they don't promote first).

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 07, 2023, 07:20:33 AM

Also may I just say RIP to Gianluca Vialli, a truly elite striker.

RIP Vialli also, he helped Chelsea get their glory days before big money came and he was every bit as important to the national squad in its heroic days of recent times,

Quote from: CLS63 on January 07, 2023, 09:37:02 AM

English teams are caring about the FA Cup quite much. Because of this they are starting the matches with a lineup close to their main ones. So the probability of seeing a surprise is lower. Today Tottenham barely managed to advance to next stage against Portsmouth despite having star players like Kane and Son on the field. I see Hull City having a potential to make a surprise today. I won't be very surprised if they eliminate Fulham.

For sure, for non big teams (big 4 or big 6 I can't remember which one to use now lol) this is a nice route to get a lot of money and playing time, plus also Europa qualification which is not bad if you don't trust your league position.

Fulham are on top of Hull but personally I think there is less chance of upset from teams who played recently in lower leagues like Fulham or even Leeds, whereas Spurs and Chelsea etc always seem to act surprised playing against tough teams who don't give them space.

I can be wrong of course, you are more right looking at today's results:
Bournemouth lose to Burnley
Nottingham Forest lost to Blackpool

Shock or not? Bournemouth no, because Burnley is #1 in Championship league and Bournemouth #16 in Premier League. Blackpool big shock yes, only won 6/26 games in this season!

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