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Some new info regarding the medical part of the 'Project restart':

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Players, coaches and staff will need to be tested at least twice a week at a significant cost to the clubs, with tests being privately sourced.

It is because some players in other leagues tested as positive. The full article can be found here.

There is another round of talks scheduled for today, so hopefully we will have some good news soon.
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Agree hilarious, let’s get teams back training in a week or so, then we can start playing games again in June. The virus is going nowhere, we can’t put the world on hold for years whilst we try to get a vaccine. People will die, admittedly a very, very small % of people who get the virus. People die all over the world every day though, the whole saga is way overblown.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/coronavirus-sport-news-live-premier-league-project-restart-latest-a4435571.html

The teams at the bottom are embarrassing themselves, they’ll get bullied into finishing their games butI don’t like the fact they’re using COVID19 & effectively people dying to try & avoid relegation.

They should agree to the neutral grounds & just get on with it.

Don't need to bully them. Sort the league out so it can go ahead and if they don't want to play on neutral grounds then fuck em. Everyone is in the same boat and the PL is doing everything they can to get the season up and running again but if they'd rather not play then that's their descion. Whining about things like neutral grounds when everyone is in the same boat is a moot point.
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The teams at the bottom are embarrassing themselves, they’ll get bullied into finishing their games butI don’t like the fact they’re using COVID19 & effectively people dying to try & avoid relegation.

They should agree to the neutral grounds & just get on with it.
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@Trofo: Me too! Bundesliga won't air here though, I saw some news about it, so I'll be looking online for streams but won't be surprised if can't find any. Neutral grounds have to be the way to go now. I hate it, and I guess no open top bus for this season but if we have to, we have to. I think all your suggestions are precisely what EPL will do, but there's today's weekly meeting to see if Project Restart changes anything.

@LFC @hilarious: Read a story about Barrow who've been fighting to get back into EFL for decades, and they felt they were unjustly voted out all those years ago just because teams had to travel 120 miles to get to their stadium. Can't see it happening again, voting.
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I don't get it either, this dissent against the neutral venues.

You're a small team, all due respect, but I'd rather lose the suppose of my 10k strong home crowd than face the 40k-strong cauldron of the big boys. Everyone loses home advantage, but they also lose their away handicap. Fair is fair, and you can't expect people to stay home to not watch their team when they're playing. Anfield management already said the stadium would never open for games not even for a trophy ceremony if they win it, and they're getting a lot of flak but I honestly can't see any other way.

If we want the season to restart, it has to be under these undesirable but absolutely necessary circumstances.

UK media are circulating stories that if the lower table teams refuse to play in neutral venues then we all might vote to relegate the current bottom 3.



I think this might be just BS speculation from the media on what could happen, but I'd be surprised if it did actually happpen. They'd probably just sue the PL if they were automatically relegated. What might happen is the PL could vote on it and if it passess then all teams will have to play in neutral grounds. If teams refuse to play then they'll just forfeit the game and those points which will obviosuly get them relegated anyway. If basically the league agrees to play the games but certain teams refuse then that's their problem. Imagine being so petty to not want to just get the league over and done. Everyone has to deal with the neutral grounds so it's fair to everyone. Would they rather not have the league finished than leave it open indefintely. I'm sure they would certaibly prefer to play the games than end the season as it is and relegate the current teams in the relegation zone.

I can't wait for the proper football to start. It seems we are finally getting there. German League should start first in about one week time and then hopefully Premier League will follow few weeks after that.

At least the Bundesliga can be used as some sort of tester. If they can carry on without any problems then I'm sure the UK and other leagues can as well. However, if it's a fuck up and people start getting ill or worse then at least the other leagues will know not to restart.
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I don't get it either, this dissent against the neutral venues.

You're a small team, all due respect, but I'd rather lose the suppose of my 10k strong home crowd than face the 40k-strong cauldron of the big boys. Everyone loses home advantage, but they also lose their away handicap. Fair is fair, and you can't expect people to stay home to not watch their team when they're playing. Anfield management already said the stadium would never open for games not even for a trophy ceremony if they win it, and they're getting a lot of flak but I honestly can't see any other way.

If we want the season to restart, it has to be under these undesirable but absolutely necessary circumstances.

UK media are circulating stories that if the lower table teams refuse to play in neutral venues then we all might vote to relegate the current bottom 3.

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I can't wait for the proper football to start. It seems we are finally getting there. German League should start first in about one week time and then hopefully Premier League will follow few weeks after that.

I heard a lot of different proposals about how it should look once the football starts, but following is something that I would choose if it were up to me:
-neutral grounds
-no supporters
-games every 3 days
-normal half lengths but 5 subs instead of 3
-maybe some social distancing rules like no hugging during celebrations. I don't this will help but it will be done probably just so it looks like everything possible has been taken into account

Those sort of concessions seem like they could work. Somebody will always complain but is seems like the best and most fair option.
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I don't get it either, this dissent against the neutral venues.

You're a small team, all due respect, but I'd rather lose the suppose of my 10k strong home crowd than face the 40k-strong cauldron of the big boys. Everyone loses home advantage, but they also lose their away handicap. Fair is fair, and you can't expect people to stay home to not watch their team when they're playing. Anfield management already said the stadium would never open for games not even for a trophy ceremony if they win it, and they're getting a lot of flak but I honestly can't see any other way.

If we want the season to restart, it has to be under these undesirable but absolutely necessary circumstances.
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It seems the bottom teams are complaining about the neutral venues:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11544708/premier-league-restart-neutral-stadiums/

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An agreement was reached to use "eight to ten neutral stadiums" following a 3½-hour video meeting of the 20 “shareholder” clubs.

But the Telegraph claim 'Project Restart' is at risk of being delayed because six teams do not want to continue the campaign at neutral venues.

Brighton, Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth, Norwich and Aston Villa are the clubs in question.

These teams make up the bottom six of the Premier League - with the latter three slumped in the relegation zone.

Seagulls club chief executive Paul Barber has claimed his team are behind plans to restart the season, but feel they are at a disadvantage.

Sure, teams are at a disadvantge not playing at home but it's something all teams will have to cope with so it's fair across the board. I feel like this is just excuses at this point. Even if they somehow managed to resume the league as normal and played all the games as they would have been the releaged teams will probably still have a whinge at something.

It's just a flimsy excuse from those teams, they knew that playing the games in usual venues are not possible, they just need something to rant about, they are not at anymore disadvantage than other teams and what really is the point of playing at home if the fans aren't going to be there ? They've probably all played about 3/4 of their home games already and how much difference as that afford them ?
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It seems the bottom teams are complaining about the neutral venues:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11544708/premier-league-restart-neutral-stadiums/

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An agreement was reached to use "eight to ten neutral stadiums" following a 3½-hour video meeting of the 20 “shareholder” clubs.

But the Telegraph claim 'Project Restart' is at risk of being delayed because six teams do not want to continue the campaign at neutral venues.

Brighton, Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth, Norwich and Aston Villa are the clubs in question.

These teams make up the bottom six of the Premier League - with the latter three slumped in the relegation zone.

Seagulls club chief executive Paul Barber has claimed his team are behind plans to restart the season, but feel they are at a disadvantage.

Sure, teams are at a disadvantge not playing at home but it's something all teams will have to cope with so it's fair across the board. I feel like this is just excuses at this point. Even if they somehow managed to resume the league as normal and played all the games as they would have been the releaged teams will probably still have a whinge at something.
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Are you sure?  I don't wanna make it look I forced you into this or anything.  

Don't worry about it. I'm happy if you get yourself a few cold beers should you win. Fingers crossed for super Pogba transfer out to... Newcastle lol.

BTW So it seems Bundesliga is confirmed in a week or two: https://global.espn.com/football/german-bundesliga/story/4092272/coronavirus-bundesliga-to-become-europes-first-major-league-to-resume. Awesome possum

Oh and don't forget to hate VAR: http://global.espn.com/video/clip?id=29136838

Kk!  Booked!
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Are you sure?  I don't wanna make it look I forced you into this or anything.  

Don't worry about it. I'm happy if you get yourself a few cold beers should you win. Fingers crossed for super Pogba transfer out to... Newcastle lol.

BTW So it seems Bundesliga is confirmed in a week or two: https://global.espn.com/football/german-bundesliga/story/4092272/coronavirus-bundesliga-to-become-europes-first-major-league-to-resume. Awesome possum

Oh and don't forget to hate VAR: http://global.espn.com/video/clip?id=29136838
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Yup big transfer happens, you win.  None, I win.  10 bucks...  The cut off date is whenever the EPL says the transfer ends.

Quote and confirm and lezz go!  Grin

Dude haha I thought you were betting on transfers happening! But bah, let's do it. 50m pounds sterling and above before the transfer window shuts and I win. Gotta bet on something I understand anyway!

Are you sure?  I don't wanna make it look I forced you into this or anything.  
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Did anyone see this yesterday?

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Premier League: Under 45-minute halves an option, says PFA chief Gordon Taylor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52542756

Personally I think even considering this is silly. Either play the full games or don't. I understand changing venues etc but rules or playing time is overkill. If it's potentially dangerous to play then they shouldn't be playing 45 or even 5 minutes. 

I agree. It is probably suggested because there will need to be a lot of games played in a short period of time so they need to look out for potential injuries and tiredness. After all, the players are completely out of shape.
I still don't like the idea at all - in my opinion full games need to be played. Clubs will just have to manage and make use of their squad depth.

The home advantage isn't just the fans but probably mostly the pitch which the players are obviously familiar of playing on. If you're used to the surface and dimensions then it probably can give quite an advantage.

Yup, agreed it is an advantage. But as already said - we cannot have it perfect, we just have to make it fair enough.
Same conditions to all clubs is fair enough in my opinion. I also think that the biggest concern for clubs in relegation zones will be a lot of games in quick succession, not the stadium where it will be played.
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Yup big transfer happens, you win.  None, I win.  10 bucks...  The cut off date is whenever the EPL says the transfer ends.

Quote and confirm and lezz go!  Grin

Dude haha I thought you were betting on transfers happening! But bah, let's do it. 50m pounds sterling and above before the transfer window shuts and I win. Gotta bet on something I understand anyway!

@hilarious: yeah read it too. A lot of things I can agree with. Closed doors. 5 substitutions. 30-day stretch to play all games. But I don't get the purpose of less playing time. Once you're on the field already, why for?

@LFC: LES DO IT!!! I watch the IG stuff from Pool and they look like they're yoga-ing a lot and having fun, I'm gunning for us being the fittest out of the blocks too =D

@Cryptopreneur/Trofo: I wasn't even a pro player but when I played in the semi-amateur league in my capital, pitch difference is huge. Even artificial and natural grass. Type of grass. Mown or not. Muddy or not. Hard or soft, sandy or clay. It changes how outcomes happen differently from training. Injuries. Ask EPL teams to play at Lowe leagues with mud and puddles and they can't do their tiki takas anymore. Atmosphere I can't say, we never had a huge crowd anywhere and I was never lucky enough to play a proper club. But pitch length, grass, ground, all very important over 90 minutes!
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I don't think this has as much impact now as it had in the past. Regulations for pitch sizes have been quite narrowed down during the years and differences are now much smaller then it used to be. Surface can still be a bit different especially in leagues where clubs use artificial grass but I believe that is not the case in England.

To you (the viewer) you mightn't see any difference but to the players, there's a big difference especially to the average footballer and I think it's mostly phycological. You can't just compare playing at home to away, the comfort of playing on a pitch you're already used to as a result of constant training, mindset etc. Only few professionals perform perfectly home and away.

Personally I think even considering this is silly. Either play the full games or don't. I understand changing venues etc but rules or playing time is overkill. If it's potentially dangerous to play then they shouldn't be playing 45 or even 5 minutes. 

Probably just some random thought and nothing serious because I can't see myself watching a match that's less than 90 minutes (full time) preferable, the players just use penalty shootouts to decide then lol.
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The home advantage isn't just the fans but probably mostly the pitch which the players are obviously familiar of playing on. If you're used to the surface and dimensions then it probably can give quite an advantage.

I don't think this has as much impact now as it had in the past. Regulations for pitch sizes have been quite narrowed down during the years and differences are now much smaller then it used to be. Surface can still be a bit different especially in leagues where clubs use artificial grass but I believe that is not the case in England.
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Less than 45 minute halves is a ridiculous idea, if they can’t continue with a normal game of football (minus the fans) then they might as well cancel it all. Ridiculous idea to consider shorter games imo.
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Did anyone see this yesterday?

Honourable AF -

Daniel Farke (Norwich manager) : “Liverpool deserve to win the title and Sheffield United should fight for Europe and we deserve to work on our miracle and stay in this league.”

Nice to see some managers not trying to take the easy route out. Norwich are very bottom of the league as well and will struggle to survive.

It is normal that the teams will try to get all the possible advantages. The thing that I do not understand is that there will be no home advantage without fans.
OK, some stadiums have smaller playing fields so it's easier to defend for let's say Brighton at home than away but no teams will be having huge disadvantages and that's the only thing that matters.

It isn't possible to find the perfect solution and a fair one will have to do, and this is a fair option. No relegation is not fair as well - the season will be completed.

The home advantage isn't just the fans but probably mostly the pitch which the players are obviously familiar of playing on. If you're used to the surface and dimensions then it probably can give quite an advantage.
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