But still good luck building a case in china...
You must have had a HUGE account with bitcoinica building such an international case ranging into corruption havens such as china.
Not even if I possessed all bitcoinica funds I would waste my funds for taking a chance there. In relation to internationally enforced cases we are talking about peanuts here.
...but as I stated earlier not all bitcoiners are pacific hackers - I personally from what I know would fear for my life being involved in this.
For all those still hoping for their fund - write it off finally and enjoy the crime story evolving.
Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 53. (Read 136139 times)
so in 69 minutes and 32 seconds you called this guy whom you know only little, reached him, explained the situation to him, clarified the hack, convinced him to return the coins, calculated an estimate return and wrote the lengthy statement...
are you kidding me?
are you kidding me?
+1
The guy is clearly a thief. I hope some vigilantes find him and break his legs, as a warning to future thief wanna-be types.
No it was an attempt at humour, but I forgot I'm dealing with a professional forum full of professional industry professionals here.
EVERY VICTIM OF BITCOINICA HEIST/FRAUD/NEGLIGENCE/WHATEVER,
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
Officer Joe : "And what exactly are those Coinbits you had stolen from you?"
Victim: "Bitcoins. They're like a currency only for the internets, you know?"
Officer Joe: "I've never heard of this? Bob, have you ever heard of this?"
Officer Bob: "Is that like them there Facebook Money for the Amazons?"
Victim: "Yes.. No.. Kinda like that but ..."
Officer Bob: "Mah Darlene is always buying dem Facebook Moneys for dat dere Farm game, ya know? I says: Darlene, stop playing with them Farmbooks and get out there to feed them cows!"
Officer Joe: "So you got your computer game dollars stolen? Is that what we're talking about?"
Victim: "NO! It's not for Facebook. It's for buying.... other stuff..."
Officer Stan joining in: "I bet it's porn. Look at 'im blushing. I know it. I said it. It's porn."
Victim: "NO! It's not porn! There's this place called the Silk Road and... and...aaand... ooooh, look at the time... Toodles!"
Are you saying that act of stealing is only recognized applicable to real money, and stealing anything else isn't considered as such
LOL 
OP: BULLSHIT!
OP: BULLSHIT!
OP: BULLSHIT!
Money back please.
A police/legal investigation, if ever successfully launched, would not be possible.
How convenient! And you know what, it is bullshit!
Of course it's bullshit. Most - if not all - of the countries involved have specialised computer and financial crimes units and police regularly call in civilian experts to assist with their investigations (especially universities). There are plenty of technology experts they can call on for assistance.
The prosecution is not the financial burden of the victims in criminal cases - the only people who would have to worry about legal fees would be the accused.
It's known that both financial intelligence units and federal police departments are aware of Bitcoin. They may welcome a criminal investigation in which it's a central feature as an opportunity to learn more in general about how Bitcoin, crime and the exchanges intersect. It's not like it would be a local county police department investigating this matter. I think you're all underestimating how many young, tech savvy people work in law enforcement and financial intelligence.
[...lots of BS skipped...]
Yea, and it should be taken on authority of "Founder of Finance Financial". Grow up first.
How about this version:
Officer Joe : "Could you please tell us your name, address, and phone number?"
Victim: "This and that..."
Officer Joe : "What is the reason for your call?"
Victim: "A group of people have scammed me, represented themselves as a legitimate financial service and then have stolen my deposit in amount of XXXX$ and YYYY BTC"
Officer Joe : "BTC?"
Victim: "BTC mean Bitcoin, it is a virtual currency that has market value of approximately 8$ per 1 BTC".
Officer Joe : "Could you please give me name and contact details of that company and those people you have referred to earlier?"
Victim: "Yep, I have everything here prepared for you, I can also email to you all the details I have".
Officer Joe : "Would you be able to come to the station to give us some more details on this or alternatively an officer could visit you at home or workplace and ask a few further questions about this"
[they set up appointment...]
Officer Joe: Please write down your crime reference number....
Now which one will it be? Of course, if you live in Honduras or something, you might need to give them a goat as a token of your appreciation, perhasp... lol
EVERY VICTIM OF BITCOINICA HEIST/FRAUD/NEGLIGENCE/WHATEVER,
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
Officer Joe : "And what exactly are those Coinbits you had stolen from you?"
Victim: "Bitcoins. They're like a currency only for the internets, you know?"
Officer Joe: "I've never heard of this? Bob, have you ever heard of this?"
Officer Bob: "Is that like them there Facebook Money for the Amazons?"
Victim: "Yes.. No.. Kinda like that but ..."
Officer Bob: "Mah Darlene is always buying dem Facebook Moneys for dat dere Farm game, ya know? I says: Darlene, stop playing with them Farmbooks and get out there to feed them cows!"
Officer Joe: "So you got your computer game dollars stolen? Is that what we're talking about?"
Victim: "NO! It's not for Facebook. It's for buying.... other stuff..."
Officer Stan joining in: "I bet it's porn. Look at 'im blushing. I know it. I said it. It's porn."
Victim: "NO! It's not porn! There's this place called the Silk Road and... and...aaand... ooooh, look at the time... Toodles!"
USD was taken as well, authorities are well versed in dealing with USD based crimes. Law enforcement has recovered virtual furniture and goods before so I also challenge the claim they would be incapable of dealing with bitcoins.
Also, the NZ financial authorities can be notified by an affected party. Bitcoinica was improperly, imo, listed as not dealing with the public. Also, imo, this was to avoid having to submit any dispute resolution documents and catching the eye of regulators.
Also, the NZ financial authorities can be notified by an affected party. Bitcoinica was improperly, imo, listed as not dealing with the public. Also, imo, this was to avoid having to submit any dispute resolution documents and catching the eye of regulators.
A police/legal investigation, if ever successfully launched, would not be possible.
How convenient! And you know what, it is bullshit!
I await a new fantastic fairytale story from Zhou regarding the clear fact that the LR transfers went to his own personal LR account as stated on the last page.
^yes, its clear that Zhou is full of shit.
A police/legal investigation, if ever successfully launched, would not be possible.
1. Unfamiliarity with Bitcoin of those in the legal industries.
2. Lack of appreciation by legal industries for the technical aspects of bitcoin and other services used by suspects.
3. Scale of the task to construct a case, which involves multiple countries/jurisdictions, is too large for legal industry to be interested as aggrevied bitcoiners are unlikely to be able to financially propel the investigation.
Perhaps the failure of the Intersango Trio/Bitcoinica Consultancy to alert the authorities is a realisation of the above?
The Police, Courts and other institutional authorities will NOT be helping us. Therefore the only option that appears to be available is a vigilante effort, probably resulting in funds being taken from those responsible in ways that may breach laws themselves.
That is the stark choice facing the community that is without legal support: illegally recover the funds or roll over and wait for the next time.
BB.
A police/legal investigation, if ever successfully launched, would not be possible.
1. Unfamiliarity with Bitcoin of those in the legal industries.
2. Lack of appreciation by legal industries for the technical aspects of bitcoin and other services used by suspects.
3. Scale of the task to construct a case, which involves multiple countries/jurisdictions, is too large for legal industry to be interested as aggrevied bitcoiners are unlikely to be able to financially propel the investigation.
Perhaps the failure of the Intersango Trio/Bitcoinica Consultancy to alert the authorities is a realisation of the above?
The Police, Courts and other institutional authorities will NOT be helping us. Therefore the only option that appears to be available is a vigilante effort, probably resulting in funds being taken from those responsible in ways that may breach laws themselves.
That is the stark choice facing the community that is without legal support: illegally recover the funds or roll over and wait for the next time.
BB.
so in 69 minutes and 32 seconds you called this guy whom you know only little, reached him, explained the situation to him, clarified the hack, convinced him to return the coins, calculated an estimate return and wrote the lengthy statement...
are you kidding me?
are you kidding me?
EVERY VICTIM OF BITCOINICA HEIST/FRAUD/NEGLIGENCE/WHATEVER,
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
I have a suggestion for you. Pick up a phone (101 in UK), go to local police station, whatever the procedure is in your locality and file a crime report, press charges, provide police with as many details as possible such as company names, and addresses, names and addresses of people involved into these companies, bank account numbers, BTC addresses, amounts of fiat and bitcoins that you and reportedly others have lost, timeline of events as known to you.
And let the chips fall where they will.
Zhou gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, and when presented with relatively strong evidence he proceeds in a half a day to
1) Defend himself.
2) Identify the real hacker
3) Convince the real hacker to return he money, provided the whole thing just goes away and everyone forgets it.
There's not enough cinnamon and brown sugar in the world to cover up this stinking bowl of shitflakes.
Now that Zhou has told us this convenient story, whether true or not (of course we strongly believe the latter), he is now heavily incriminated and should be a target for any (legal, clandestine or vigilante) investigations and actions.1) Defend himself.
2) Identify the real hacker
3) Convince the real hacker to return he money, provided the whole thing just goes away and everyone forgets it.
There's not enough cinnamon and brown sugar in the world to cover up this stinking bowl of shitflakes.
One would expect the INTERSANGO ("Bitcoinica Consultancy") trio to be all over this and jump on the bandwagon, attempting to pin their own burden of responsibility on Zhou. However, their responsibility and what many believe to be complicity and guilt in these thefts must not be overlooked or forgotten. They must be hunted down and made to break in the same way Zhou will be.
Bitcoin has and always will be a target for such despicable crime. The community must vigorously and quickly persue its criminals to the nth degree, otherwise its reputation as a fertile ground for theft will only grow.
Do not let the bastards get away with this, or their number will multiply.
BB.
I'm not neglecting anything. I could give a flying fuck how it happens, I just stated I want my claim filled. Who's responsibility, I could give a fuck. Fill my claim. 
My point is that your claim is misdirected. Even if Zhou was responsible for the Gox hack, only Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd can help you with your claim, irrespective of whether Zhou cooperates or not.ENOUGH DRAMA, KIDS.
I'm not neglecting anything. I could give a flying fuck how it happens, I just stated I want my claim filled. Who's responsibility, I could give a fuck. Fill my claim.
My point is that your claim is misdirected. Even if Zhou was responsible for the Gox hack, only Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd can help you with your claim, irrespective of whether Zhou cooperates or not. I just want my claim filled. Zhou. make up whatever story you need to, write the code to a claims page, and give us our money back. In full.
You neglect that the majority of the funds weren't stolen and Zhou has no access to them anyway. This is solely the responsibility of Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd, who's neither communicating nor refunding. The Gox hack only happened 2 weeks ago, whereas the refunds have been owed for over 10 weeks. Dealing with the Gox hack is also the responsibility of Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd, not Zhou.Fill my claim.
I just want my claim filled. Zhou. make up whatever story you need to, write the code to a claims page, and give us our money back. In full.
You neglect that the majority of the funds weren't stolen and Zhou has no access to them anyway. This is solely the responsibility of Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd, who's neither communicating nor refunding. The Gox hack only happened 2 weeks ago, whereas the refunds have been owed for over 10 weeks. Dealing with the Gox hack is also the responsibility of Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd, not Zhou. Re-used a password to an email account I attached to MTGox on the web shop of a person he had reason to believe engaged in questionable activities which might include financial crimes. Within hours of personally investigating his own email account, gets this person to agree to give back what remains of the funds stolen if this is all kept on the down low from LEOs. Hmmmmm.
You forgot the part that the money he can't recover is about the same amount as the one that was used to pay laundering fees + 5000 BTC he gave back on that other thread
It's so pathetic that I can only laugh. For such a smart kid, he's an idiot.
I just want my claim filled. Zhou. make up whatever story you need to, write the code to a claims page, and give us our money back. In full.
I just think that the effort necessary to create another e-mail and conceal his IP would have been MUCH less than the efforts to create such a story to cover it up afterwards. Besides, any story if it's made up will have holes so people would still find out in the end who the hacker was.
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