Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1616.

dhenson

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Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 01:03:26 AM

Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:57:40 AM

Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 12:55:31 AM

Sorry for being slow but to my knowledge btct is closing down? Pardon me if I miss something obvious but English is not my native language

Yup.

All assets have to migrate to direct or to another exchange.

So you're forecasting a flow of money exiting from btct and then an increase in btc/usd ratio. Am i right?

Basically across the board the share prices dropped, not because of any fundamental change with the underlying asset, but rather because people were willing to sell for a loss to take their btc off of the exchange. In other words, share prices are at a discount right now.

Now that coinbase.com has a 10btc/day limit on instant transactions I'm unable to quickly move fiat into bitcoin, thus the auction.

sickpig

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Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:57:40 AM

Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 12:55:31 AM

Sorry for being slow but to my knowledge btct is closing down? Pardon me if I miss something obvious but English is not my native language

Yup.

All assets have to migrate to direct or to another exchange.

So you're forecasting a flow of money exiting from btct and then an increase in btc/usd ratio. Am i right?

dhenson

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Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 12:55:31 AM

Sorry for being slow but to my knowledge btct is closing down? Pardon me if I miss something obvious but English is not my native language

Yup.

All assets have to migrate to direct or to another exchange.

sickpig

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Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:45:16 AM

Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 12:43:23 AM

Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:37:48 AM

I really hate to do it, but I've decided to put my Day 1 hosted Jupiter up for auction. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-day-1-knc-jupiter-with-6-months-hosting-paid-300601

I'm only posting it here as I've seen a few of you ask about day 1 orders.

Why? Lack of confidence or something else?

To be completely honest, with today's tanking of share price on BTCT I'm willing to sell my pre-order and use the funds to invest in stocks. If it doesn't sell I'll just mine with it, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

Sorry for being slow but to my knowledge btct is closing down? Pardon me if I miss something obvious but English is not my native language

dhenson

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Quote from: sickpig on September 24, 2013, 12:43:23 AM

Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:37:48 AM

I really hate to do it, but I've decided to put my Day 1 hosted Jupiter up for auction. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-day-1-knc-jupiter-with-6-months-hosting-paid-300601

I'm only posting it here as I've seen a few of you ask about day 1 orders.

Why? Lack of confidence or something else?

To be completely honest, with today's tanking of share price on BTCT I'm willing to sell my pre-order and use the funds to invest in stocks. If it doesn't sell I'll just mine with it, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

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Quote from: dhenson on September 24, 2013, 12:37:48 AM

I really hate to do it, but I've decided to put my Day 1 hosted Jupiter up for auction. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-day-1-knc-jupiter-with-6-months-hosting-paid-300601

I'm only posting it here as I've seen a few of you ask about day 1 orders.

Why? Lack of confidence or something else?

dhenson

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I really hate to do it, but I've decided to put my Day 1 hosted Jupiter up for auction. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-day-1-knc-jupiter-with-6-months-hosting-paid-300601

I'm only posting it here as I've seen a few of you ask about day 1 orders.

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Quote from: xstr8guy on September 23, 2013, 05:51:44 PM

Somehow you've managed to convince even yourself that you are some great impartial judge of the integrity of all ASIC manufacturers. But you're not.

My "shill meter" pegged when you started questioning the integrity of the Bitfury group and even it's customers by (not so) subtly suggesting that the lack of video proof meant the claims of power efficiency were bunk.

Sure, you've since walked it back but your original intention was to "throw shade" on Bitfury and make others question their integrity... presumably to get people to vote for KNC with their dollars.

Btw, I have nothing against KNC. I have equal amounts of hashing power ordered from both Bitfury and KNC. I've since added more Bitfury H boards to my order and plan on adding KNC expansion modules when/if they are offered for sale.

Then your meter is broken as nowhere did I question the integrity. You've been looking for something that did not exist and/or jumped on something without reading what I wrote. As people were comparing the two I asked for a fair comparison as I wasn't and still am not aware that video proof concerning a decisive answer with respect to power consumption at a chip level (not of USB sticks including ancillary components) exists, and that hopefully we should finally get some video from KnC very soon. Would it not be cool to have a baseline test of both? Instead of people claiming multiple power consumption ratings for BF from 0.5-1w/Gh/s. is it not annoying, and a bit odd that his products exist and no one has upped a video depicting this yet? That is precisely what I said, and Redacted was very supportive and helpful in the matter. As soon as KnC has their device to hand if they don't up a video, I shall. It just makes sense and is helpful to everyone. How you can twist that into some negative rant is beyond me, clearly you do not read and your intent on letting your imagination wander where you want.

EDiT: Anon5, just read your comment, you're right.

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Quote from: Anenome5 on September 23, 2013, 10:16:17 PM

Bitcoinorama--please stop defending yourself.

And especially stop doing it in gigantic novel-form that I can't even bring myself to read. It just comes off as 'the lady doth protesteth too much.' One or two lines should be enough. You're just feeding the trolls.

I'm R Chevalier, and I approve this message.

C'mon now, who hasn't taken out the LARGE cluebat once in a while? It's hard not to feed the trolls. Especially when they make it personal.

And I like books!

-Kevin Biomech

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Quote from: Anenome5 on September 23, 2013, 10:16:17 PM

Bitcoinorama--please stop defending yourself.

And especially stop doing it in gigantic novel-form that I can't even bring myself to read. It just comes off as 'the lady doth protesteth too much.' One or two lines should be enough. You're just feeding the trolls.

I'm R Chevalier, and I approve this message.

ASIC-K

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Hell?

Quote from: Anenome5 on September 23, 2013, 10:16:17 PM

Bitcoinorama--please stop defending yourself.

And especially stop doing it in gigantic novel-form that I can't even bring myself to read. It just comes off as 'the lady doth protesteth too much.' One or two lines should be enough. You're just feeding the trolls.

+1

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Bitcoinorama--please stop defending yourself.

And especially stop doing it in gigantic novel-form that I can't even bring myself to read. It just comes off as 'the lady doth protesteth too much.' One or two lines should be enough. You're just feeding the trolls.

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Quote from: tolip_wen on September 23, 2013, 03:23:36 PM

rama I am dissapointed in you.

Constantly defending with 'I don't work for them' while technically true has an air of deception IMneverHO.

The unsaid implication that your opinion is/was unbiased can no longer be alluded to.

I doubt I'm alone.

Good for you. Nobody cares. Go kiss a girl or something.

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 23, 2013, 04:00:02 PM

I don't bloody...

(too cussing long couldn't possibly get through it all)

...I do not screw people over thanks.

*sigh*... really? really...

Seriously, if you walk into a mental institution and try to reason with every single patient that comes across your way, you will eventually end up in there with them as a patient yourself.

erk

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Quote from: the-skeptic on September 23, 2013, 08:27:42 PM

Quote from: erk on September 23, 2013, 08:18:29 PM

Quote from: the-skeptic on September 23, 2013, 08:02:23 PM

Of course he does. His logic is simple: KNC uses big expensive heat sinks and fans because they are over compensating for their poorly designed chip.

He's wrong, of course, I just understand the confused logic.

What makes you think the KNCminer chip is poorly designed? Just because they choose to over clock it? GPU vendors over clock their chips too, but they are not trying to make a positive ROI on mining crypto, they are pandering to gamers who don't care about power consumption.

I never said I thought it was poorly designed. I put a qualifier in front of the statement "His logic is simple:". Therefore, I was referring to what I think you believe.

Yeah, that would be called trolling.

When the KNCminers arrive we will see if they can be adjusted to run more efficiently. As long as they haven't locked it out it should be possible. 400GH/s at 640watts is not as profitable as 300GH/s at 440watts.

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Quote from: erk on September 23, 2013, 08:18:29 PM

Quote from: the-skeptic on September 23, 2013, 08:02:23 PM

Of course he does. His logic is simple: KNC uses big expensive heat sinks and fans because they are over compensating for their poorly designed chip.

He's wrong, of course, I just understand the confused logic.

What makes you think the KNCminer chip is poorly designed? Just because they choose to over clock it? GPU vendors over clock their chips too, but they are not trying to make a positive ROI on mining crypto, they are pandering to gamers who don't care about power consumption.

I never said I thought it was poorly designed. I put a qualifier in front of the statement "His logic is simple:". Therefore, I was referring to what I think you believe.

erk

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Quote from: the-skeptic on September 23, 2013, 08:02:23 PM

Of course he does. His logic is simple: KNC uses big expensive heat sinks and fans because they are over compensating for their poorly designed chip.

He's wrong, of course, I just understand the confused logic.

What makes you think the KNCminer chip is poorly designed? Just because they choose to over clock it? GPU vendors over clock their chips too, but they are not trying to make a positive ROI on mining crypto, they are pandering to gamers who don't care about power consumption.

I run my Gigabyte 7970 GHz card at --gpu-engine 700 --gpu-memclock 840 --gpu-vddc 0.95 which gives me maximum profit due to Watts/GH/s but only 500kH/s on scrypt coins, that card can go way faster than that but the power use goes up exponentially.

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Of course he does. His logic is simple: KNC uses big expensive heat sinks and fans because they are over compensating for their poorly designed chip.

He's wrong, of course, I just understand the confused logic.

ASIC-K

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Hell?

Quote from: erk on September 23, 2013, 07:26:52 PM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on September 23, 2013, 07:12:34 PM

I asked KNC to confirm that the 1.6 J/GH is at the wall but they did not. Given that the at the wall efficiency will depend on the user supplied power supply efficiency I think the most probable scenario is that the 1.6 J/GH represents the entire system DC wattage. At the wall would be ~10% lower for the average 80Plus Gold PSU. Unless KNC states in clear terms the at the wall/plug efficiency we won't know until some units get to users.

It obviously a mathematically modeled efficiency as there have never been any KNCminer chips to actually measure, it might be right out! They should have the chips this week so it wont be long until we know the real figures, no point speculating. Their design needs several power hungry fans and big expensive heat sinks, which means the chips were planned on being driven hard. If they ever sold the chips separately I would under clock them until they only needed a basic case fan.

i dont think you understand fans and heatsinks....

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Quote from: erk on September 23, 2013, 07:26:52 PM

and big expensive heat sinks

Not very expensive, are they?

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erk

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on September 23, 2013, 07:12:34 PM

I asked KNC to confirm that the 1.6 J/GH is at the wall but they did not. Given that the at the wall efficiency will depend on the user supplied power supply efficiency I think the most probable scenario is that the 1.6 J/GH represents the entire system DC wattage. At the wall would be ~10% lower for the average 80Plus Gold PSU. Unless KNC states in clear terms the at the wall/plug efficiency we won't know until some units get to users.

It obviously a mathematically modeled efficiency as there have never been any KNCminer chips to actually measure, it might be right out! They should have the chips this week so it wont be long until we know the real figures, no point speculating. Their design needs several power hungry fans and big expensive heat sinks, which means the chips were planned on being driven hard. If they ever sold the chips separately I would under clock them until they only needed a basic case fan.

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