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Chicken!
Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1613. (Read 3050071 times)
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Crumbs. Don't do this. I actually quite like having you on the forum. You make people think twice about stuff, often reasoned. I implore you to think twice yourself here. Seriously.
Crumbs. Don't do this. I actually quite like having you on the forum. You make people think twice about stuff, often reasoned. I implore you to think twice yourself here. Seriously.
Thank you, but i'm certain that i would like to take this bet. We on?
Whoa. I'm not betting anything. This messengers been shot enough times, thanks, but I've genuinely been asked to be present in person over the course of the weekend, which is before 1st October. If they have a unit working, straight up i'm videoing it, and posting it, unless they do, or as well as. I'm also picking up my mining device, which will hash against my wallet asap, well as soon as I can. Hell i'll use hotel wifi if I have to. I'm telling you not to take the bet with Mota, or anyone for that fact. You're too valuable in highlighting the deceit that exists elsewhere, when you don;t overcook the annoyance with your fascination with colourful ponies, something I don't fully understand. Presumably that means next working day UPS will be making regular appearances, and pick-ups will be commencing. So I doubt i'm the only one that needs to be ready to take time out for this.
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Crumbs. Don't do this. I actually quite like having you on the forum. You make people think twice about stuff, often reasoned. I implore you to think twice yourself here. Seriously.
Crumbs. Don't do this. I actually quite like having you on the forum. You make people think twice about stuff, often reasoned. I implore you to think twice yourself here. Seriously.
Thank you, but i'm certain that i would like to take this bet. We on?
These things aren't being manufactured on the starship Enterprise, no teleporters or replicators to instantly crate or transport components and they won't be configured by a moaning scottish engineer at the last minute to produce 110% more power either.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
Yes... Sure... and in your years of manufacturing experience you did not ONCE come across a production line? Seems that way to me. Since I worked part-time, for most of my pre-university education, on a professional manufacturing line and I can tell you from experience that if all parts are available - I (and I was NOT by far the fastest one) could put together more than 8 PCB's per hour, and those were by far more complex than this one. So close that silly mouth of yours and think again what bullshit you want to spout here. Even if they have those assembled in a small manufacturing company with only 10 people working on them they can easily push out more than 1000 PCB's per day. AND who the hell said that they started assembly the moment the video was posted? They could have started 3 days before, or even 5. Who says they started only after all parts were available? At the company I worked we partly assembled all the time and got the job still done. So who the fuck cares if you have years of experience if you don't even know the simplest of processes and how much a single worker bee can do in a day?
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Does me picking up count? I could possibly record a video, but I've just received an email to haul ass and catch a plane to Stockholm over the weekend.
I'd say they're looking confident by the tone of it, but I actually like having both of you around the forum though...Mota's cool, and Crumbs you're superb entertainment, when you don't act up too much.
I've certainly enjoyed any retorts we've had over the past months.
Dilemma.
You sure you want this?
This weekend? So you will arrive Sept. 29 with one day to spare. Doesn't look like they left much margin for error.
These things aren't being manufactured on the starship Enterprise, no teleporters or replicators to instantly crate or transport components and they won't be configured by a moaning scottish engineer at the last minute to produce 110% more power either.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
Yes... Sure... and in your years of manufacturing experience you did not ONCE come across a production line? Seems that way to me. Since I worked part-time, for most of my pre-university education, on a professional manufacturing line and I can tell you from experience that if all parts are available - I (and I was NOT by far the fastest one) could put together more than 8 PCB's per hour, and those were by far more complex than this one. So close that silly mouth of yours and think again what bullshit you want to spout here. Even if they have those assembled in a small manufacturing company with only 10 people working on them they can easily push out more than 1000 PCB's per day. AND who the hell said that they started assembly the moment the video was posted? They could have started 3 days before, or even 5. Who says they started only after all parts were available? At the company I worked we partly assembled all the time and got the job still done. So who the fuck cares if you have years of experience if you don't even know the simplest of processes and how much a single worker bee can do in a day?
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Does me picking up count? I could possibly record a video, but I've just received an email to catch a plane over the weekend. I'd say they're looking confident by the tone of it, but I actually like having both of you around the forum though...Mota's cool, and Crumbs you're superb entertainment, when you don't act up too much. I've certainly enjoyed any retorts we've had over the past months. Dilemma
Yes, you picking up in person would count, if the following week 4 forum members can provide reasonably documented evidence of KNC product hashing (to exclude the possibility of you receiving a prototype board).
Are we on?
Crumbs. Don't do this. I actually quite like having you on the forum. You make people think twice about stuff, often reasoned. I implore you to think twice yourself here. Seriously.
These things aren't being manufactured on the starship Enterprise, no teleporters or replicators to instantly crate or transport components and they won't be configured by a moaning scottish engineer at the last minute to produce 110% more power either.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
Yes... Sure... and in your years of manufacturing experience you did not ONCE come across a production line? Seems that way to me. Since I worked part-time, for most of my pre-university education, on a professional manufacturing line and I can tell you from experience that if all parts are available - I (and I was NOT by far the fastest one) could put together more than 8 PCB's per hour, and those were by far more complex than this one. So close that silly mouth of yours and think again what bullshit you want to spout here. Even if they have those assembled in a small manufacturing company with only 10 people working on them they can easily push out more than 1000 PCB's per day. AND who the hell said that they started assembly the moment the video was posted? They could have started 3 days before, or even 5. Who says they started only after all parts were available? At the company I worked we partly assembled all the time and got the job still done. So who the fuck cares if you have years of experience if you don't even know the simplest of processes and how much a single worker bee can do in a day?
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Does me picking up count? I could possibly record a video, but I've just received an email to catch a plane over the weekend. I'd say they're looking confident by the tone of it, but I actually like having both of you around the forum though...Mota's cool, and Crumbs you're superb entertainment, when you don't act up too much. I've certainly enjoyed any retorts we've had over the past months. Dilemma
Yes, you picking up in person would count, if the following week 4 forum members can provide reasonably documented evidence of KNC product hashing (to exclude the possibility of you receiving a prototype board).
Are we on?
These things aren't being manufactured on the starship Enterprise, no teleporters or replicators to instantly crate or transport components and they won't be configured by a moaning scottish engineer at the last minute to produce 110% more power either.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
In the real world even trivial things take time, especially if you need it to be done well enough.
The list of things left to be done in so few days is not trivial.
And yeah you sarcastic arse, I have years of production manufacturing experience...not in electronics primarily but the principles are the same in general.
I'm reminded of that guy falling from a building who says he's fine all the way down..it's only at the final moment that his optimism and refusal to see what's really going on dawns on him and then it's a bit late.
Yes... Sure... and in your years of manufacturing experience you did not ONCE come across a production line? Seems that way to me. Since I worked part-time, for most of my pre-university education, on a professional manufacturing line and I can tell you from experience that if all parts are available - I (and I was NOT by far the fastest one) could put together more than 8 PCB's per hour, and those were by far more complex than this one. So close that silly mouth of yours and think again what bullshit you want to spout here. Even if they have those assembled in a small manufacturing company with only 10 people working on them they can easily push out more than 1000 PCB's per day. AND who the hell said that they started assembly the moment the video was posted? They could have started 3 days before, or even 5. Who says they started only after all parts were available? At the company I worked we partly assembled all the time and got the job still done. So who the fuck cares if you have years of experience if you don't even know the simplest of processes and how much a single worker bee can do in a day?
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Does me picking up count? I could possibly record a video, but I've just received an email to haul ass and catch a plane to Stockholm over the weekend.
I'd say they're looking confident by the tone of it, but I actually like having both of you around the forum though...Mota's cool, and Crumbs you're superb entertainment, when you don't act up too much.
I've certainly enjoyed any retorts we've had over the past months.
Dilemma.
You sure you want this?
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@Crumbs: Before I put you on ignore:
I don't have doubts. I just don't bet if I know that there is a chance that I can loose. Let's say Sweden gets taken over by Minions and they decide they like those cases as beds - Delay. There can always be unforseen cirumstances.
@Crumbs: Before I put you on ignore:
I don't have doubts. I just don't bet if I know that there is a chance that I can loose. Let's say Sweden gets taken over by Minions and they decide they like those cases as beds - Delay. There can always be unforseen cirumstances.
The wording of the bet could include an "Act of God" clause, i'm willing to bend very far to be accommodating.
If by "Minions," OTOH, you mean typical & very foreseeable delays which are a part of every manufacturing process, such as delays in silicon packaging, firmware tweaking, blown power projections necessitating in package/board/cooling redesign, delays in the supply chain, etc., etc. -- i'm afraid i can't bend that far.
Edit: I would like to make this bet as attractive to you as possible
"Underpromise -- Overdeliver!"
Wrong. Effective days of production begin only AFTER receiving the chips!, they have posted a video of a circuit board without chips because they obviously don't have them yet, rest assured the moment they have them in Sweden you'll see pics/videos.
@The Avenger: Point taken. Maybe his yellow Button will turn to another colour if everyone presses it
As to you, if you had read my 2nd previous comment you would know that partly assembled is still most of the work. Soldering the chips is only a fraction of the work. Depending on their soldering process they could even do most of those in a day.
@Crumbs: Before I put you on ignore:
I don't have doubts. I just don't bet if I know that there is a chance that I can loose. Let's say Sweden gets taken over by Minions and they decide they like those cases as beds - Delay. There can always be unforseen cirumstances.
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Let's be very clear here:
I do not mind trolls in the least. I can actually ignore them most of the time. But spouting some BS on a topic I know and calling oneself experienced in the same sentence does not sit well with me.
I also do not know why you should apologize to me in any way
Or why I should to you.
Also: I am, in general, very sure of myself. But not of a shipping date of a product not yet fully assembled. I just find it very hard to believe that every troll on this forum got his PhD in Manufacturing Processes, Industrial Engineering and Electrical Engineering in the last few days!
The facts are simple: They told the truth when they said they are still on time (If it was the truth that nothing occured to stop assembly) since they have 5 days left (if they pay overtime for Sunday they even have 6) to manufacture those babies and send them on their way. Even if they finish monday and ship them directly it would still count as shipped in september. So yeah, 6 days effectively to produce and send the first 700+ units.
As a little comparison: In 6 days I could probably check 60-80 Ps3's for errors, reflow them if needed, put a custom Firmware on them, reassemble them and send them on their way to their respective owners. All on my own, at home. So what makes you think that a team of assemblers, with professional equipment and more than a few hours per day to spare, since those lines can run 24/7, are not able to: assemble>solder>qc>mount those 700+ units in 6 days?
Edit: Unlike some others here apparently, I have a private life that needs tending to sometimes. So sorry for my delayed answer.
Edit2: Free account maybe, but since I sell some stuff here too I would need to build a new reputation as a seller. Way too much of a hassle for a silly bet (I still don't get why you chose me though)
In other words, you too have doubts that KNC will be able to simply deliver on time & be true to their promise. Forget the "underpromise -- overdeliver" cliche?
Then why do you insist on calling other doubters "trolls"?
Edit: As far as apologies go, that's simply o formality of the proposed wager. I would apologise to you for doubting your prognosis if KNC ships on time, and vice versa.
So yeah, 6 days effectively to produce and send the first 700+ units.
Wrong. Effective days of production begin only AFTER receiving the chips!, they have posted a video of a circuit board without chips because they obviously don't have them yet, rest assured the moment they have them in Sweden you'll see pics/videos.
Mota - you could save yourself and everyone else on here a lot of unnecceassry posts by pressing that very yellow ignore button next to crumbs name. No rational person here doubts the work you did on an assembly line and how long these things took to do.
Hi Mota. You seem very sure of yourself. I propose a gentleman's bet:
If KNC ships as promised, in September, i will publicly apologise to you, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
If KNC fails to ship as promised, in September, *YOU* will publicly apologise to me, on this forum, and forever stop posting on Bitcointalk.org, effective October 1st, 2013.
Deal? (we can finalize the details in subsequent posts)
Let's be very clear here:
I do not mind trolls in the least. I can actually ignore them most of the time. But spouting some BS on a topic I know and calling oneself experienced in the same sentence does not sit well with me.
I also do not know why you should apologize to me in any way
Or why I should to you.
Also: I am, in general, very sure of myself. But not of a shipping date of a product not yet fully assembled. I just find it very hard to believe that every troll on this forum got his PhD in Manufacturing Processes, Industrial Engineering and Electrical Engineering in the last few days!
The facts are simple: They told the truth when they said they are still on time (If it was the truth that nothing occured to stop assembly) since they have 5 days left (if they pay overtime for Sunday they even have 6) to manufacture those babies and send them on their way. Even if they finish monday and ship them directly it would still count as shipped in september. So yeah, 6 days effectively to produce and send the first 700+ units.
As a little comparison: In 6 days I could probably check 60-80 Ps3's for errors, reflow them if needed, put a custom Firmware on them, reassemble them and send them on their way to their respective owners. All on my own, at home. So what makes you think that a team of assemblers, with professional equipment and more than a few hours per day to spare, since those lines can run 24/7, are not able to: assemble>solder>qc>mount those 700+ units in 6 days?
Edit: Unlike some others here apparently, I have a private life that needs tending to sometimes. So sorry for my delayed answer.
Edit2: Free account maybe, but since I sell some stuff here too I would need to build a new reputation as a seller. Way too much of a hassle for a silly bet (I still don't get why you chose me though)
Still looking for a bet... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3225021
Edit: Aaand... Crickets. Betting on a timely delivery is not worth risking a free forum account. Heavy.
Edit: Aaand... Crickets. Betting on a timely delivery is not worth risking a free forum account. Heavy.
People don't seem to see they only need one working unit by 30th September, slap a picture on the forum - no more refunds. That's all they need to do to cover their back and keep the Sept delivery promise.
If one worker can assemble 15 machines an hour and they work 12 hours in a day, that's 180 units. Say they have 20 people doing this, that's 3600 units, less 5% loss 3420.
Meanwhile, packing takes less time, as does testing.
Seems viable to accomplish the first 2 days order in one day if you ask me, especially considering they have more assemblers than that, and they (the company owners) will likely work over 24 hours without stop by themselves.
Meanwhile, packing takes less time, as does testing.
Seems viable to accomplish the first 2 days order in one day if you ask me, especially considering they have more assemblers than that, and they (the company owners) will likely work over 24 hours without stop by themselves.
I'm a day 1 customer and I do have respect for them, but in my book in terms of schedule this isn't overdelivering by any means. Even if they are able to give tracking numbers by next monday (which is what I think will happen so they can claim the kept their promise).
Does anyone actually read this forum?just received mail from KNC:
Dear Daniel,
Your order is expected to ship towards the end of September.
Once the order is shipped you will receive the tracking number.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have further questions.
Med vänlig hälsning | Best regards
Anna Jagdhar
Kncminer
www.kncminer.com
Office: +46 8559 253 20
Dear Daniel,
Your order is expected to ship towards the end of September.
Once the order is shipped you will receive the tracking number.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have further questions.
Med vänlig hälsning | Best regards
Anna Jagdhar
Kncminer
www.kncminer.com
Office: +46 8559 253 20
You gotta admit it is cutting pretty damn close. Maybe they don't have time to stop and take pictures and video. I'm only hoping that all hands on deck are busy putting orders together for Day1, Day2, Day3.
Does placing one device in their hosting center count? I'm starting to think this may be the best case scenario.
No, one device hosted would not count for my bet -- i'd probably look at the wording of the previous "shipping by XX" wagers on this forum & use them as boilerplate.
Personal pickup will that count? or do i need to drive it to a new DC for it to count?
Personal pickup will count if well-documented. The offered bet, BTW, is for Mota.
Edit: The exact wording can be hashed out -- i'm not trying to make the bet artificially one-sided.
Edit2: The bet is also open to you, -Redacted-.
Yes. The FUD is becoming thick and strong here, and is spewed mostly by non-customer trolls.
Here's a newflash for the trolls: Nobody cares if you think the chips don't exist, or you think that KNC won't ship on time, or you think the boards are too hard to build, or that a comet will hit sweden tomorrow. Nobody particularly cares what you think. Except maybe you, yourself.
Here's a newflash for the trolls: Nobody cares if you think the chips don't exist, or you think that KNC won't ship on time, or you think the boards are too hard to build, or that a comet will hit sweden tomorrow. Nobody particularly cares what you think. Except maybe you, yourself.
So ... no bet? Seems like an effortless way to rid your forum of trolls...
Does placing one device in their hosting center count? I'm starting to think this may be the best case scenario.
No, one device hosted would not count for my bet -- i'd probably look at the wording of the previous "shipping by XX" wagers on this forum & use them as boilerplate.
Personal pickup will that count? or do i need to drive it to a new DC for it to count?
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