A Jupiter ...
5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included
5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included
You must be doing something wrong :
Anyways, order went through. And it seems they started at #1 again.
Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 2057. (Read 3049499 times)
You must be doing something wrong :
Anyways, order went through. And it seems they started at #1 again.
And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:
Quote
Item total $5,596.00
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...
A Jupiter ...
5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included
And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:
Quote
Item total $5,596.00
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...
And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:
Quote
Item total $5,596.00
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Tax $1,399.00
Shipping and handling: $124.00
Total $7,119.00 USD
Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...
The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Indeed, it has a few flaws. I suppose they want to open orders sometime around the open days.The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Yeah it's a bit glitchy it goes from, shipping cart empty, to having an orders, to empty, in any case nothing to pay. The checkout gives a choice of UPS courier; $240.80 for next day delivery to the UK, or 'Stockholm Pickup' $0, as the delivery options.
Bank Transfer, Paypal and Bitpay appear to be the payment options...
Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...
The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Indeed, it has a few flaws. I suppose they want to open orders sometime around the open days. The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Front page has had one of the three sliders how images removed, though the Mars prototype picture is there.
FAQ harps had an update, mentioning ex-VAT in pricing and office location (the same as the ORSoC Stockholm HQ);
KnCMiner AB
Regeringsgatan 111
111 39 Stockholm, Sweden
Org number: 556931-9725
FAQ harps had an update, mentioning ex-VAT in pricing and office location (the same as the ORSoC Stockholm HQ);
KnCMiner AB
Regeringsgatan 111
111 39 Stockholm, Sweden
Org number: 556931-9725
Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...
The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
Yep, same here. I guess only a limited number of units are needed to add confidence that they are serious...
Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
qq: what is Sam's Email? The one of the site (info@...?)
It's on everyone of his recent posts.
qq: what is Sam's Email? The one of the site (info@...?)
Dude, there's also ASICminer for sure, potentially Bitfury as well.
BTC price I see floating between $100 and €100. Until they break through another psychologically important milestone. Perhaps --> ASICs --> more confidence investing in the currency because of a more secure and efficient network --> more vendors and merchants excepting the money transfer --> consumer confidence/interest --> etc.
I know about those two, but neither of those will have as big of an impact as BFL would if they actually fulfilled a large portion of their orders. Of course saying that that's highly unlikely is an understatement.BTC price I see floating between $100 and €100. Until they break through another psychologically important milestone. Perhaps --> ASICs --> more confidence investing in the currency because of a more secure and efficient network --> more vendors and merchants excepting the money transfer --> consumer confidence/interest --> etc.
I don't really expect ASICs to increase confidence though, if anything, the relative stability of the btc price might do it. Of course, if nothing horrible happens in the coming months to bitcoin, it's definitely not going to drop too much either way.
@10,000 chips per group buy that = a potential 76 group buys!!!
Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
I'd assume about 200-400k are from group buys and another 150k from companies that plan to sell assembled units with a 200% profit margin.Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
Isn't it irrelevant though? We know that there are 760k chips being made and added to the network around August, that's all that matters when making projections. What is much more of an issue is whether BFL ships and to what ends; additionally if there are any other manufacturers/groups working in the background that add a lot of units.
I tried calculating ROI with 100 and 200m difficulty, that's where I expect it to be around October; but then it's all worthless anyway, it's pretty much impossible to project ROI since the price is going up and down all the time and the smallest news leave a huge impact. You can make estimates of difficulty but by the time KnCMiner ships the BTC price could be anywhere between $.1 and $600, and this is true all the same after you receive the miner, but it has an even worse effect; if BTC crashes then, you have no possibility of getting your money back.
Dude, there's also ASICminer for sure, potentially Bitfury as well.
BTC price I see floating between $100 and €100. Until they break through another psychologically important milestone. Perhaps --> ASICs --> more confidence investing in the currency because of a more secure and efficient network --> more vendors and merchants excepting the money transfer --> consumer confidence/interest --> etc.
I have a small number like 5@@ if someone want I can sell it
@10,000 chips per group buy that = a potential 76 group buys!!!
Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
I'd assume about 200-400k are from group buys and another 150k from companies that plan to sell assembled units with a 200% profit margin.Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
Isn't it irrelevant though? We know that there are 760k chips being made and added to the network around August, that's all that matters when making projections. What is much more of an issue is whether BFL ships and to what ends; additionally if there are any other manufacturers/groups working in the background that add a lot of units.
I tried calculating ROI with 100 and 200m difficulty, that's where I expect it to be around October; but then it's all worthless anyway, it's pretty much impossible to project ROI since the price is going up and down all the time and the smallest news leave a huge impact. You can make estimates of difficulty but by the time KnCMiner ships the BTC price could be anywhere between $.1 and $600, and this is true all the same after you receive the miner, but it has an even worse effect; if BTC crashes then, you have no possibility of getting your money back.
it's been discussed countless times but there's going to be at least a tripling of hashrate before these units would arrive, maybe even 5x or higher (~262 TH/sec total from asicminer, and ~220 Th/sec from avalon chips, plus avalon batch units, plus whatever else)
Triple is nothing. At the current price/GHs you would do a HUGE profit with a Jupiter if the difficulty only went x3 by the moment you get it.
As it's scheduled for September/October, I would consider a difficulty of at least 70 million, and then an increase of at least x100 in the following 12 months (and I wouldn't be surprised by x300...)
If then diff. is any lower than that, better for everybody, but running simulations with anything lower 70m in October and x100 increase in the following 12 months is just absurd wishful thinking IMO.
To be honest, my concerns are the unknown identities Yifu mentioned in the background we don't know about.
Private equity that may have started development in February that we won't know about until they come online.
That is why it is so important we have as much legitimate competition in the open ASAP.
The Bitsyncom bulk chip purchase wallet had enough Bitcoins for 760,000 Avalon chips at their resale price last week.
We only know of a handful of 10k purchases from this forum alone. Who else are they selling to??
@10,000 chips per group buy that = a potential 76 group buys!!!
Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
There were group buy who did multiple orders (I think one of those did as much of 7 or 8 orders)... And you can b sure that the vast majority of the individuals who bought the chips for their own use are not advertising it on the forums.
it's been discussed countless times but there's going to be at least a tripling of hashrate before these units would arrive, maybe even 5x or higher (~262 TH/sec total from asicminer, and ~220 Th/sec from avalon chips, plus avalon batch units, plus whatever else)
Triple is nothing. At the current price/GHs you would do a HUGE profit with a Jupiter if the difficulty only went x3 by the moment you get it.
As it's scheduled for September/October, I would consider a difficulty of at least 70 million, and then an increase of at least x100 in the following 12 months (and I wouldn't be surprised by x300...)
If then diff. is any lower than that, better for everybody, but running simulations with anything lower 70m in October and x100 increase in the following 12 months is just absurd wishful thinking IMO.
To be honest, my concerns are the unknown identities Yifu mentioned in the background we don't know about.
Private equity that may have started development in February that we won't know about until they come online.
That is why it is so important we have as much legitimate competition in the open ASAP.
The Bitsyncom bulk chip purchase wallet had enough Bitcoins for 760,000 Avalon chips at their resale price last week.
We only know of a handful of 10k purchases from this forum alone. Who else are they selling to??
@10,000 chips per group buy that = a potential 76 group buys!!!
Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
it's been discussed countless times but there's going to be at least a tripling of hashrate before these units would arrive, maybe even 5x or higher (~262 TH/sec total from asicminer, and ~220 Th/sec from avalon chips, plus avalon batch units, plus whatever else)
Triple is nothing. At the current price/GHs you would do a HUGE profit with a Jupiter if the difficulty only went x3 by the moment you get it.
As it's scheduled for September/October, I would consider a difficulty of at least 70 million, and then an increase of at least x100 in the following 12 months (and I wouldn't be surprised by x300...)
If then diff. is any lower than that, better for everybody, but running simulations with anything lower 70m in October and x100 increase in the following 12 months is just absurd wishful thinking IMO.
To be honest, my concerns are the unknown identities Yifu mentioned in the background we don't know about.
Private equity that may have started development in February that we won't know about until they come online.
That is why it is so important we have as much legitimate competition in the open ASAP.
The Bitsyncom bulk chip purchase wallet had enough Bitcoins for 760,000 Avalon chips at their resale price last week.
We only know of a handful of 10k purchases from this forum alone. Who else are they selling to??
it's been discussed countless times but there's going to be at least a tripling of hashrate before these units would arrive, maybe even 5x or higher (~262 TH/sec total from asicminer, and ~220 Th/sec from avalon chips, plus avalon batch units, plus whatever else)
Triple is nothing. At the current price/GHs you would do a HUGE profit with a Jupiter if the difficulty only went x3 by the moment you get it.
As it's scheduled for September/October, I would consider a difficulty of at least 70 million, and then an increase of at least x100 in the following 12 months (and I wouldn't be surprised by x300...)
If then diff. is any lower than that, better for everybody, but running simulations with anything lower 70m in October and x100 increase in the following 12 months is just absurd wishful thinking IMO.
To be honest, my concerns are the unknown identities Yifu mentioned in the background we don't know about.
Private equity that may have started development in February that we won't know about until they come online.
That is why it is so important we have as much legitimate competition in the open ASAP.
The Bitsyncom bulk chip purchase wallet had enough Bitcoins for 760,000 Avalon chips at their resale price last week.
We only know of a handful of 10k purchases from this forum alone. Who else are they selling to??
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