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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 305. (Read 3049515 times)

legendary
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That sounds like psuedo-science garbage, and isn't backed up in any way by the link you have given.
Can you provide any support for your claims?

It's not entirely pseudo-science.  He's missing some key parts of the equation and using big words to sound smart.  In essence, he's regurgitating things he's read, but doesn't fully understand.  Now, if he comes back here with a bunch of calculus derived from something like, oh I don't know, Maxwell's equations, then we can start to take him a little more seriously.

That part about DC connectors and heat is 99.999% dumb though.
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Here's something that won't help haters and trolls : Firmware 1.00 for Neptunes
5-10% speed improvement. We'll see on long term.

Nice.. applied. The link above is for the bin, here's a link to the news release with changes:
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-97
sr. member
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PFCC's make everything run more efficient by enhancing the magnetic field induction which moves the current, especially if your home is full of appliances which use capacitors, making all of them run more efficient with this magnetic field. It will also make those PCI connections COOLER for the same reasons.

That sounds like psuedo-science garbage, and isn't backed up in any way by the link you have given.
Can you provide any support for your claims?
member
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This helps sanitize the thread and condense it some to relevant, intelligent discussion:

"This user is currently ignored."

Arguing with him is why this thread is over 1800 pages.

There is often humor for me in watching it play out, but I usually resist joining in the fray. Smiley

I broke in hoping to spare someone from spending money on PFC equipment when a decent power supply is all they need!
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Here's something that won't help haters and trolls : Firmware 1.00 for Neptunes
5-10% speed improvement. We'll see on long term.
sr. member
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Pointing out all of the parts where you're wrong and making a fool of yourself is a fool's errand and I'm no longer going to waste my time doing so.  You hardly have any idea WTF you're talking about, like usual.  Maybe instead of wasting all your time "researching resonant blah blah blah" you should go get an Electrical Engineering degree so at least you have something more than ill-understood "research" to provide back to society.


It's like contract hashing.
It does work but is not cost effective typically.

Buy some caps and open the panel and put them across mains.
Extra 240 breaker good place for them.
Keep the investment small and cost amoritized by 'education' of if it works or not.

Won't save what it cost for the pros to even show up, much less get out of truck.

YMMV
Smiley
legendary
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Pointing out all of the parts where you're wrong and making a fool of yourself is a fool's errand and I'm no longer going to waste my time doing so.  You hardly have any idea WTF you're talking about, like usual.  Maybe instead of wasting all your time "researching resonant blah blah blah" you should go get an Electrical Engineering degree so at least you have something more than ill-understood "research" to provide back to society.

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gotta let a coin be a coin
If you're not interested, move on. PSU's do not contain PFCC's, lol. They are a totally different animal.

Almost all PSUs built in the last decade have power factor correction:
http://power-topics.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-is-pfc-and-why-do-i-need-it.html

Most compete on what kind of PFC they offer:
Seasonic.. http://www.seasonicusa.com/faq.htm
Corsair.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010
Coolmax.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159020
Enermax.. http://www.ncix.com/detail/enermax-revolution-1000w-atx12v-eps12v80-cf-90791.htm



This helps sanitize the thread and condense it some to relevant, intelligent discussion:

"This user is currently ignored."

Arguing with him is why this thread is over 1800 pages.
member
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If you're not interested, move on. PSU's do not contain PFCC's, lol. They are a totally different animal.

Almost all PSUs built in the last decade have power factor correction:
http://power-topics.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-is-pfc-and-why-do-i-need-it.html

Most compete on what kind of PFC they offer:
Seasonic.. http://www.seasonicusa.com/faq.htm
Corsair.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010
Coolmax.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159020
Enermax.. http://www.ncix.com/detail/enermax-revolution-1000w-atx12v-eps12v80-cf-90791.htm

legendary
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LIR DEV
Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable.

I read the post; it allowed you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the subject very well.

Are you also a believer in pyramid power by chance?

u27

Pyramid power... lol, that's the word I was looking for, thank you.

Phoenix.. I asked you before.. do you have any data about what you've actually saved?

Advice to all: If your PSUs are built in the last decade and have an ENERGY STAR rating, they probably already have PFC and this will not help you much. If you are using 10 year old PSUs that probably has a switch that you have to flip to use 120V or 240V on the input, then buy a new power supply.
If you're not interested, move on. PSU's do not contain PFCC's, lol. They are a totally different animal.
Pyramid power eh?   Don't you have one?  lol  

*There is plenty of "Data" in the link I provided in the original post

I gotta board a plane in a couple hours to go hook up a couple Neppies. TTYL
member
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Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable.

I read the post; it allowed you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the subject very well.

Are you also a believer in pyramid power by chance?

u27
I'm going to ignore your ignorance on this one, I have several years in electrical resonant research and development, as does my brother. We have over 100 members in our study group, which spans the globe, and has been in operation for about 5 years proving what you say is BS. Many new energy saving/producing products will be hitting the market soon as a result of some of our members hard work. "Resonant Electrolysis" The

Are you working with, or at least following, the EPA's work by chance? Because they covered this a decade ago  and practically all PSUs include their own PFC. In fact, the program was so successful that the EPA has sunset the program. This helped manufacturers reduce PSU failures and returns so it was a no brainer.

http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=archives.power_supplies

Can I get my resonant electrolysis pyramid in red please?

Yeah the Navy is doing some cool stuff in their research labs, but electrolysis of seawater is a different topic. If you want to power your miners on seawater, game on dude - send me the specs. I read the article, did you think PFC meant pure fucking catalyst? Wink
member
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Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable.

I read the post; it allowed you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the subject very well.

Are you also a believer in pyramid power by chance?

u27

Pyramid power... lol, that's the word I was looking for, thank you.

Phoenix.. I asked you before.. do you have any data about what you've actually saved?

Advice to all: If your PSUs are built in the last decade and have an ENERGY STAR rating, they probably already have PFC and this will not help you much. If you are using 10 year old PSUs that probably has a switch that you have to flip to use 120V or 240V on the input, then buy a new power supply.
sr. member
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I'm going to ignore your ignorance on this one, I have several years in electrical resonant research and development, as does my brother. We have over 100 members in our study group, which spans the globe, and has been in operation for about 5 years proving what you say is BS. Many new energy saving/producing products will be hitting the market soon as a result of some of our members hard work.

That's a strong "yes" on your belief in pyramid power then; shame Neptune is cubes.

"it's called resistance" and it could increase with load to a possibly significant level on a low voltage DC circuit; that's the reason your supply is AC at a much higher voltage thus effectively eliminating the problem. You can argue that resistance does still increase with load and that's true; just not to a remotely significant level on an AC mains supply.

There is ZERO chance that any variations on the AC supply will make it through a modern switch mode PSU and have am impact on the DC output; you couldn't be more wrong.

"the magnetic field induction which moves the current"... just no.

legendary
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LIR DEV
Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable.

I read the post; it allowed you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the subject very well.

Are you also a believer in pyramid power by chance?

u27
I'm going to ignore your ignorance on this one, I have several years in electrical resonant research and development, as does my brother. We have over 100 members in our study group, which spans the globe, and has been in operation for about 5 years proving what you say is BS. Many new energy saving/producing products will be hitting the market soon as a result of some of our members hard work. "Resonant Electrolysis" The Navy even uses similar resonant applications for propulsion and power supply in their latest vessels http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/tech/innovation/navy-new-technology/ breaking water into HHO and adding a metal catalyst to produce a liquid hydrocarbon fuel in abundance, giving them an unlimited power supply at sea. The applications of this technology are endless.
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I do not have a on-wall power meter, and I do not know the actual power consumption of my neppy. On the KnC controlling webpage it shows the entire power is about 1500Watt. Is it all? Or actually it consumes more power than displayed? Could anyone share the entire power consumption?

it's closer to 2000-2100w.. this only shows what the ASICs are using. It does not include the power that the VRMs are using (conversion loss), the controller card, or the PSUs.
sr. member
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Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable.

I read the post; it allowed you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the subject very well.

Are you also a believer in pyramid power by chance?

u27
legendary
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Dropt...  In Hawaii we pay 43 cents a kilowatthour, and other places have similar woes. Savings with PFC's are achieved through magnetic resistance being lowered through resonant pulse, and has absolutely nothing to do with "Quality of service" You really should read a bit more before judging the cuisine. Simply put, the more electric you draw, the higher the savings will be, on a sliding scale. The more power you draw from your meter, the harder it is to draw more, it's called resistance, which is what this fights.  PFC's make everything run more efficient by enhancing the magnetic field induction which moves the current, especially if your home is full of appliances which use capacitors, making all of them run more efficient with this magnetic field. It will also make those PCI connections COOLER for the same reasons.
and if you read my comment, it was meant for those who have multiple machines for that reason.

ROI on PFC gear is a pipe dream unless you're getting some seriously lousy power from you supplier.
Did you even read the post? Lousy power? Not applicable. you can save up to 25% on your power bill with PFCC's.
sr. member
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Dropt...  In Hawaii we pay 43 cents a kilowatthour, and other places have similar woes. Savings with PFC's are achieved through magnetic resistance being lowered through resonant pulse, and has absolutely nothing to do with "Quality of service" You really should read a bit more before judging the cuisine. Simply put, the more electric you draw, the higher the savings will be, on a sliding scale. The more power you draw from your meter, the harder it is to draw more, it's called resistance, which is what this fights.  PFC's make everything run more efficient by enhancing the magnetic field induction which moves the current, especially if your home is full of appliances which use capacitors, making all of them run more efficient with this magnetic field. It will also make those PCI connections COOLER for the same reasons.
and if you read my comment, it was meant for those who have multiple machines for that reason.

ROI on PFC gear is a pipe dream unless you're getting some seriously lousy power from you supplier.

...and you're joking about the PCI bit right? You're not seriously suggesting that one of these things would smooth the DC coming out of your PSU are you?

u27
legendary
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Good find Phoenix.  Not only will it save a bit of money but it should prolong the useful life of the miners by making them slightly more energy efficient.

And add a bunch more financial overhead that you'll likely never recoup over the lifespan of your mine.  You need to be serviced by a shitty power company that has poor service for a P.F. Capacitor make sense.

Not only that, but any savings are marginal at best. If you take the first row of the chart on that webage as an example, the proposed savings is ~1.23% assuming $0.12 kW/hr.

Also, it won't make your miners more efficient, all it makes the distribution network more "efficient".  However, that's only if your supplier is billing you like a dick in the first place by billing for total consumption and not on just the active power consumed.
Dropt...  In Hawaii we pay 43 cents a kilowatthour, and other places have similar woes. Savings with PFCC's are achieved through magnetic resistance being lowered through resonant pulse, and has absolutely nothing to do with "Quality of service" You really should read a bit more before judging the cuisine. Simply put, the more electric you draw, the higher the savings will be, on a sliding scale. The more power you draw from your meter, the harder it is to draw more, it's called resistance, which is what this fights.  PFCC's make everything run more efficient by enhancing the magnetic field induction which moves the current, especially if your home is full of appliances which use capacitors, making all of them run more efficient with this magnetic field. It will also make those PCI connections COOLER for the same reasons.
and if you read my comment, it was meant for those who have multiple machines for that reason.
legendary
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Good find Phoenix.  Not only will it save a bit of money but it should prolong the useful life of the miners by making them slightly more energy efficient.

And add a bunch more financial overhead that you'll likely never recoup over the lifespan of your mine.  You need to be serviced by a shitty power company that has poor service for a P.F. Capacitor make sense.

Not only that, but any savings are marginal at best. If you take the first row of the chart on that webage as an example, the proposed savings is ~1.23% assuming $0.12 kW/hr.

Also, it won't make your miners more efficient, all it makes the distribution network more "efficient".  However, that's only if your supplier is billing you like a dick in the first place by billing for total consumption and not on just the active power consumed.
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