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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2021, 09:38:10 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 22, 2021, 06:33:23 PM

You cannot blame BCCI for hitting the jackpot and starting IPL at the right time. PCB could have also done that before BCCI but they were busy with internal politics and corruption. You have to create opportunities and not wait for one to come. Most board followed the BCCi way by starting their own version of IPL and none of them have succeded.

India has a population of 1.3-1.4 billion, which is almost 8 times that of Pakistan. It automatically means that the market for cricket there is much larger than that in any other country. Even if the PCB had launched PSL at an earlier date (which I really doubt whether they could have done, given the lack of interest from SENA players to visit that country), I don't think that it could have overtaken IPL at any point. IPL is entirely another level, compared to the other leagues such as BBL, Hundred, BPL, PSL, CPL and SLPL.

@Sithara007 IPL is no longer just about cricket it’s about selling ad spaces at the highest rate, merchandise products and earn solid revenues etc and I don’t think Pakistan could have managed that even if they started earlier. Furthermore the reason IPL was and is successful is because they created additional revenue for all the participating boards and player’s, and I doubt that any other board could have managed to do it so well.

Old Link but explains how other board’s earn from IPL:

https://www.crictracker.com/ipl-increase-in-international-cricket-boards-share-to-cost-24-64-crores/

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 22, 2021, 06:33:23 PM

You cannot blame BCCI for hitting the jackpot and starting IPL at the right time. PCB could have also done that before BCCI but they were busy with internal politics and corruption. You have to create opportunities and not wait for one to come. Most board followed the BCCi way by starting their own version of IPL and none of them have succeded.

India has a population of 1.3-1.4 billion, which is almost 8 times that of Pakistan. It automatically means that the market for cricket there is much larger than that in any other country. Even if the PCB had launched PSL at an earlier date (which I really doubt whether they could have done, given the lack of interest from SENA players to visit that country), I don't think that it could have overtaken IPL at any point. IPL is entirely another level, compared to the other leagues such as BBL, Hundred, BPL, PSL, CPL and SLPL.

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Pakistan is a significant market for cricket coverage, but for the BCCI it doesn't matter. They are happy with whatever revenues they receive from within India and western nations. Also, the BCCI understands that the participation of Pakistani players is a life changer for the PCB, but not that much of a priority for the Indian board. The BCCI recently auctioned two teams for close to $2 billion. A few million USD in potential revenue from Pakistan is not going to change their mind about the player participation.

That's very much true. BCCI don't wanna give any financial benefit to PCB also and for that they can bear small loss by not having any sort of relations with PCB. India influence in cricket greatly increased since the start of IPL, its a big market. Just like Ashes everyone wanna see Pakistan and India playing against each other. I wish they can separate cricket from politics.

You cannot blame BCCI for hitting the jackpot and starting IPL at the right time. PCB could have also done that before BCCI but they were busy with internal politics and corruption. You have to create opportunities and not wait for one to come. Most board followed the BCCi way by starting their own version of IPL and none of them have succeded.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on December 22, 2021, 02:20:15 PM

United States is playing against Ireland in their home condition. USA is the new team with inexperienced players in cricket game. So, their winning possibility is very low. Where Ireland players are experienced enough. USA already lost their first two wickets in just 10 runs. Undoubtedly Ireland will win the match, and I have placed a bet on Ireland at 1.04× odds Cheesy

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Right now match is in very interesting stage with the USA done very good job even having some early shocks target for Ireland is 189 and right now after half stage of this match they are struggling very badly with just 86/3 after 11 overs mean now they need 103 runs from just 9 overs which is not easy but still possible for them required rate is just 12 which is achievable for them.

At start odds were @8 for the USA and just @1.10 for Ireland now USA @1.40 and Ireland @4 mean big profit but no one have guts for playing on these odds still some more time and entertaining in this match is coming.

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United States is playing against Ireland in their home condition. USA is the new team with inexperienced players in cricket game. So, their winning possibility is very low. Where Ireland players are experienced enough. USA already lost their first two wickets in just 10 runs. Undoubtedly Ireland will win the match, and I have placed a bet on Ireland at 1.04× odds Cheesy

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 20, 2021, 11:05:59 PM

Pakistan is a significant market for cricket coverage, but for the BCCI it doesn't matter. They are happy with whatever revenues they receive from within India and western nations. Also, the BCCI understands that the participation of Pakistani players is a life changer for the PCB, but not that much of a priority for the Indian board. The BCCI recently auctioned two teams for close to $2 billion. A few million USD in potential revenue from Pakistan is not going to change their mind about the player participation.

That's very much true. BCCI don't wanna give any financial benefit to PCB also and for that they can bear small loss by not having any sort of relations with PCB. India influence in cricket greatly increased since the start of IPL, its a big market. Just like Ashes everyone wanna see Pakistan and India playing against each other. I wish they can separate cricket from politics.

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Seeing ridiculous amount of ignorance in this thread about history. I think everyone keep ignoring that who was ruling India and BCCI that time "When Pakistani players got banned"? It was congress not any right wing government and current ruling party "so called right wing" only following the status quo.

Their is saying in my part of region "Congress is holy cow disguise in Pig outfit and BJP is baniya disguised as Cow".

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Quote from: doomloop on December 20, 2021, 01:20:42 AM

Without any doubt if IPL is going to add Pakistani players they could be having more money and more exposure but sadly as already mention right wing parties never like this idea because they never allow doing anything with Pakistan so no one going to take any risk even they have some very good profit or any other benefit.

And in case of cricket they all know mostly Pakistani players will be emerged and having very good financial benefit, so it's never been good for them because with this their profit can rise nearly double which and many more benefits also going to be happened but with current state of mind it's not possible and IPL official already happy with current situation which is good for them and all parties in India.

Pakistan is a significant market for cricket coverage, but for the BCCI it doesn't matter. They are happy with whatever revenues they receive from within India and western nations. Also, the BCCI understands that the participation of Pakistani players is a life changer for the PCB, but not that much of a priority for the Indian board. The BCCI recently auctioned two teams for close to $2 billion. A few million USD in potential revenue from Pakistan is not going to change their mind about the player participation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 19, 2021, 09:11:19 PM

Even if someone sympathetic to Pakistan become the PM in 2024, don't forget the fact that the popular opinion in India remains staunchly against the inclusion of Pakistani players. There is a lot of violence going on in Kashmir, and a lot of people oppose normalizing sporting relations with Pakistan unless a settlement is reached on the Kashmir issue. Some of the BCCI officials have in the past supported better relations with Pakistan, but the current management doesn't hold such views (esp. Jay Shah and Anurag Thakur).

This is fact that who is PM and which party is having majority nothing matters these two countries are not going to be normal because it's not in favor of big political community even it's in big favor of common peoples but who cares about this. Kashmir is surely a main reason behind this all, and it's not going to solve in near future because it's also not in favor of some peoples which are doing politics just because of this all.

Even I am feeling these relationships are going to be worst in near future because of further more tension happening around India due to China Belt and road network. With this all most effective party is sports persons because they have no chance for having some good and positive rivalry like we have in many countries of this world.

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India, Pakistan relationship is a puzzle because these both countries can't live without each other hate is also very high in religious peoples, so this is going on from very first day of Independence from both sides so in this all hate business most loser part is sports which never been good and most beneficiary party is terrorists because they have their agenda, and they are winning by big margin.

In first IPL edition most of Pakistani players were in, and they have very good performance even Sohail Tanveer was first player to have purple cap in bowling and in batting there were some good performance as well, so they feel not good with this as mostly feel these players can steal show and have some good income from here so BCCI done this decision and drop them forever which is good hopefully this will carry on for some more years.

As said there is no healthy relation between these two countries from the very beginning. The same has served as a big business at times. Whether it is an exhibition match or a league match, if this is being played between India and Pakistan the hype will be big and same is the audience response from people all around the world. If IPL have included Pakistan players, surely more players would've emerged big from Pakistan.

Without any doubt if IPL is going to add Pakistani players they could be having more money and more exposure but sadly as already mention right wing parties never like this idea because they never allow doing anything with Pakistan so no one going to take any risk even they have some very good profit or any other benefit.

And in case of cricket they all know mostly Pakistani players will be emerged and having very good financial benefit, so it's never been good for them because with this their profit can rise nearly double which and many more benefits also going to be happened but with current state of mind it's not possible and IPL official already happy with current situation which is good for them and all parties in India.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 18, 2021, 10:10:24 PM

Who becomes the next PM of India we will only know in 2024. I do not support politics in sports but in my opinion, it will be not that easy to include Pakistani players in IPL in the coming years. Things are not that simple as it looks likes there are many within BCCI who do not want Pakistani players and remember IPL is still profitable and most watched without them.

Even if someone sympathetic to Pakistan become the PM in 2024, don't forget the fact that the popular opinion in India remains staunchly against the inclusion of Pakistani players. There is a lot of violence going on in Kashmir, and a lot of people oppose normalizing sporting relations with Pakistan unless a settlement is reached on the Kashmir issue. Some of the BCCI officials have in the past supported better relations with Pakistan, but the current management doesn't hold such views (esp. Jay Shah and Anurag Thakur).

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Pakistan players were included during the initial IPL tournament but the cricket ties were broken after the Mumbai terrorist attack and after that there was no cricket relation between two cricket boards. With the current right wing government you cannot expect that to change anytime soon.

Even i do not like mixing politics and sports together, but the fans follow the sport of cricket as a religion and it is hard to see any changes in the near future but there are other sports where India and Pakistan compete.

India, Pakistan relationship is a puzzle because these both countries can't live without each other hate is also very high in religious peoples, so this is going on from very first day of Independence from both sides so in this all hate business most loser part is sports which never been good and most beneficiary party is terrorists because they have their agenda, and they are winning by big margin.

In first IPL edition most of Pakistani players were in, and they have very good performance even Sohail Tanveer was first player to have purple cap in bowling and in batting there were some good performance as well, so they feel not good with this as mostly feel these players can steal show and have some good income from here so BCCI done this decision and drop them forever which is good hopefully this will carry on for some more years.

As said there is no healthy relation between these two countries from the very beginning. The same has served as a big business at times. Whether it is an exhibition match or a league match, if this is being played between India and Pakistan the hype will be big and same is the audience response from people all around the world. If IPL have included Pakistan players, surely more players would've emerged big from Pakistan.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 19, 2021, 03:26:19 PM

Pakistan players were included during the initial IPL tournament but the cricket ties were broken after the Mumbai terrorist attack and after that there was no cricket relation between two cricket boards. With the current right wing government you cannot expect that to change anytime soon.

Even i do not like mixing politics and sports together, but the fans follow the sport of cricket as a religion and it is hard to see any changes in the near future but there are other sports where India and Pakistan compete.

India, Pakistan relationship is a puzzle because these both countries can't live without each other hate is also very high in religious peoples, so this is going on from very first day of Independence from both sides so in this all hate business most loser part is sports which never been good and most beneficiary party is terrorists because they have their agenda, and they are winning by big margin.

In first IPL edition most of Pakistani players were in, and they have very good performance even Sohail Tanveer was first player to have purple cap in bowling and in batting there were some good performance as well, so they feel not good with this as mostly feel these players can steal show and have some good income from here so BCCI done this decision and drop them forever which is good hopefully this will carry on for some more years.

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I don't think so. The current government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is comprised of right-wing parties and they are very hostile to the idea of including Pakistani players. However, many believe that opposition leader Mamata Banerjee may become the PM by 2024. She is regarded by many as pro-Pakistan, and may allow the IPL franchises to include players from countries like Pakistan. Some of the franchises want to go for Pakistani players, and officials have spoken in favor of it, but the BCCI remains staunchly against it as of now.

Who becomes the next PM of India we will only know in 2024. I do not support politics in sports but in my opinion, it will be not that easy to include Pakistani players in IPL in the coming years. Things are not that simple as it looks likes there are many within BCCI who do not want Pakistani players and remember IPL is still profitable and most watched without them.

Good statement politics in sports is never been good idea, but sadly we have some good combination of these two in subcontinent, and it's giving some good rivalry which is very important so Pakistani players coming or not now it's not important because IPL is doing very good without them day by day. It's my personally opinion if Mamta Banerjee is also coming as next Indian Prime Minister then still it's not easy for them to include Pakistani Players because right wing is very strong and no one will try to go against them for having some better future in Indian Politics for some time.

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Pakistan players were seen in early editions of IPL. I remember Shoaib Akhtar and Wasim Akram were there but things change for Pakistan after second or third addition of IPL, if I am not wrong. In sub continent politics control every aspect of the country. As long as Pakistani players are not missed in IPL, franchise owners won't include them.

Yes Pakistan players were included during the initial IPL tournament but the cricket ties were broken after the Mumbai terrorist attack and after that there was no cricket relation between two cricket boards. With the current right wing government you cannot expect that to change anytime soon.

Even i do not like mixing politics and sports together, but the fans follow the sport of cricket as a religion and it is hard to see any changes in the near future but there are other sports where India and Pakistan compete.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on December 18, 2021, 03:59:09 PM

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I think the problem is money, cricket in West Indies isn't attracting a lot of money apart from the Caribbean premier league which started very recently, earlier cricketers were not paid a lot for playing cricket and also it's not that glamourous for you until you become a legend there. This might be one reason why there is no new talent coming in the team, also as West Indies isn't one single country so that makes the politics of the board quite confusing too, but I am very sure that this team isn't becoming a good team for next 10-15 years in Test, they are just going to struggle that's all.

Money were never been issue in Windies cricket because sometime back I read one statement from Board Member issue is not related to money they have some ethics issues which are now having some serious damage and sad thing is no one country able to have his own team so just because of this they are not having proper set up, but hopefully they will do some better in near future, or they will completely down and out like Zimbabwe because it's not going to stay like this for lone time. Right now they are having challenges from Afghanistan and Bangladesh as they are now on this level due to their personal issues.

Are you sure that money isn't an issue? As far as I know, WICB just earned around 116 crores last year and that also primarily came due to the Caribbean premier league otherwise they must have made even lesser than that, moreover, this number is just around what the Zimbabwe board earns every year which too is generally considered poor and always out of funds.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 18, 2021, 10:10:24 PM

Who becomes the next PM of India we will only know in 2024. I do not support politics in sports but in my opinion, it will be not that easy to include Pakistani players in IPL in the coming years. Things are not that simple as it looks likes there are many within BCCI who do not want Pakistani players and remember IPL is still profitable and most watched without them.

Pakistan players were seen in early editions of IPL. I remember Shoaib Akhtar and Wasim Akram were there but things change for Pakistan after second or third addition of IPL, if I am not wrong. In sub continent politics control every aspect of the country. As long as Pakistani players are not missed in IPL, franchise owners won't include them.

I think politics control every aspect of the country in every country, it's not just about the sub continent or the Americas, Politics has always been a very key factor in the development of any sport in the country.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 18, 2021, 10:10:24 PM

Who becomes the next PM of India we will only know in 2024. I do not support politics in sports but in my opinion, it will be not that easy to include Pakistani players in IPL in the coming years. Things are not that simple as it looks likes there are many within BCCI who do not want Pakistani players and remember IPL is still profitable and most watched without them.

Pakistan players were seen in early editions of IPL. I remember Shoaib Akhtar and Wasim Akram were there but things change for Pakistan after second or third addition of IPL, if I am not wrong. In sub continent politics control every aspect of the country. As long as Pakistani players are not missed in IPL, franchise owners won't include them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 18, 2021, 09:50:04 PM

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Are there any chances that IPL may include Pak players in coming seasons. I read that current government in India are very much against inclusion of Pak players in IPL. IPL quality will definitely improve if we see Pak players in action there. BCCI should separate cricket from politics.

I don't think so. The current government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is comprised of right-wing parties and they are very hostile to the idea of including Pakistani players. However, many believe that opposition leader Mamata Banerjee may become the PM by 2024. She is regarded by many as pro-Pakistan, and may allow the IPL franchises to include players from countries like Pakistan. Some of the franchises want to go for Pakistani players, and officials have spoken in favor of it, but the BCCI remains staunchly against it as of now.

Who becomes the next PM of India we will only know in 2024. I do not support politics in sports but in my opinion, it will be not that easy to include Pakistani players in IPL in the coming years. Things are not that simple as it looks likes there are many within BCCI who do not want Pakistani players and remember IPL is still profitable and most watched without them.

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Quote from: Theones on December 18, 2021, 10:15:31 AM

Are there any chances that IPL may include Pak players in coming seasons. I read that current government in India are very much against inclusion of Pak players in IPL. IPL quality will definitely improve if we see Pak players in action there. BCCI should separate cricket from politics.

I don't think so. The current government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is comprised of right-wing parties and they are very hostile to the idea of including Pakistani players. However, many believe that opposition leader Mamata Banerjee may become the PM by 2024. She is regarded by many as pro-Pakistan, and may allow the IPL franchises to include players from countries like Pakistan. Some of the franchises want to go for Pakistani players, and officials have spoken in favor of it, but the BCCI remains staunchly against it as of now.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 18, 2021, 01:41:43 PM

I think the problem is money, cricket in West Indies isn't attracting a lot of money apart from the Caribbean premier league which started very recently, earlier cricketers were not paid a lot for playing cricket and also it's not that glamourous for you until you become a legend there. This might be one reason why there is no new talent coming in the team, also as West Indies isn't one single country so that makes the politics of the board quite confusing too, but I am very sure that this team isn't becoming a good team for next 10-15 years in Test, they are just going to struggle that's all.

Money were never been issue in Windies cricket because sometime back I read one statement from Board Member issue is not related to money they have some ethics issues which are now having some serious damage and sad thing is no one country able to have his own team so just because of this they are not having proper set up, but hopefully they will do some better in near future, or they will completely down and out like Zimbabwe because it's not going to stay like this for lone time. Right now they are having challenges from Afghanistan and Bangladesh as they are now on this level due to their personal issues.

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