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Quote from: coinism on November 13, 2021, 12:16:25 AM

Quote from: virasog on November 12, 2021, 11:20:41 PM

I think it was done by India once in the tournament that they scored in excess of 200 runs in the first innings. I do not remember any other match where any team scored 200+ runs. But my wording was that a score of 170-200 could be a competitive score if scored in the final.

Also doesn't the teams playing second face the same difficulty in batting from 7 - 15 overs ?

Pakistan scored 175 runs playing first and its was close finish despite the fact that Pakistan got 5 Australian wickets. So the team batting first need to score over 180 in order to remain in the match.
What we have seen is that side batting second score most of the runs in last 5 overs, as evident from NZ/Eng and Pak/Aus semifinals.

Pakistan would have easily won the match if Marcus Stoinis along with Wade had not put on 81 runs in just 6.3 overs. The target put on by Pakistan was not that bad and to an extent, they were in control of the match until Stoinis came in. Pakistan was able to beat some of the good teams in the tournament but they were not able to stop Australia. It is not compulsory that the team batting first need to set a target of more than 180 runs in the final. T20 is unpredictable, the team that plays well will always win.

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Quote from: CDC AP on November 13, 2021, 01:29:13 AM

This cannot be true always, in final even a score of 140 can be match winning. Both these matches target was chased because of some brilliant batting first by neesham and michel and then stoinis and matthew way. These things cannot happen always. Because in batting first team think that they need to score 180 runs they may end up in 120 only, so they must only plan according to match situation

Well anything can happen in final but based on stats of this WC only in England, Sri Lanka game the side batting first won the game rest victories are on associate teams. Under lights it's very difficult to defend. Side batting first need to heavy runs as score of 140 , 150 is nothing Under dew.

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Quote from: coinism on November 13, 2021, 12:16:25 AM

Quote from: virasog on November 12, 2021, 11:20:41 PM

I think it was done by India once in the tournament that they scored in excess of 200 runs in the first innings. I do not remember any other match where any team scored 200+ runs. But my wording was that a score of 170-200 could be a competitive score if scored in the final.

Also doesn't the teams playing second face the same difficulty in batting from 7 - 15 overs ?

Pakistan scored 175 runs playing first and its was close finish despite the fact that Pakistan got 5 Australian wickets. So the team batting first need to score over 180 in order to remain in the match.
What we have seen is that side batting second score most of the runs in last 5 overs, as evident from NZ/Eng and Pak/Aus semifinals.

This cannot be true always, in final even a score of 140 can be match winning. Both these matches target was chased because of some brilliant batting first by neesham and michel and then stoinis and matthew way. These things cannot happen always. Because in batting first team think that they need to score 180 runs they may end up in 120 only, so they must only plan according to match situation

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Quote from: virasog on November 12, 2021, 11:20:41 PM

I think it was done by India once in the tournament that they scored in excess of 200 runs in the first innings. I do not remember any other match where any team scored 200+ runs. But my wording was that a score of 170-200 could be a competitive score if scored in the final.

Also doesn't the teams playing second face the same difficulty in batting from 7 - 15 overs ?

Pakistan scored 175 runs playing first and its was close finish despite the fact that Pakistan got 5 Australian wickets. So the team batting first need to score over 180 in order to remain in the match.
What we have seen is that side batting second score most of the runs in last 5 overs, as evident from NZ/Eng and Pak/Aus semifinals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 12, 2021, 09:36:23 PM

Quote from: virasog on November 12, 2021, 04:28:48 PM

I will only advice you to not to get too excited after seeing the toss and place the bet on the team batting second. What if the team batting first is able to make 200+ runs making it extremely difficult to chase this in the second innings. Also chasing a 170 runs wont be easy as there will be the pressure of the final.

And how many times in this tournament we have seen a score in excess of 200? It is not easy as it sounds. Especially in the UAE, overs 7-15 have proven to be very difficult for scoring. I can't remember a single one out of the 16 teams performing well with the bat on a consistent basis during this phase. It should not happen ideally, but in the UAE, teams batting second are having an unfair advantage. And this happened during both the semi-final matches. So toss is very important for the final and the team winning it will have a greater chance of lifting the trophy.

I think it was done by India once in the tournament that they scored in excess of 200 runs in the first innings. I do not remember any other match where any team scored 200+ runs. But my wording was that a score of 170-200 could be a competitive score if scored in the final.

Also doesn't the teams playing second face the same difficulty in batting from 7 - 15 overs ?

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Quote from: virasog on November 12, 2021, 04:28:48 PM

I will only advice you to not to get too excited after seeing the toss and place the bet on the team batting second. What if the team batting first is able to make 200+ runs making it extremely difficult to chase this in the second innings. Also chasing a 170 runs wont be easy as there will be the pressure of the final.

And how many times in this tournament we have seen a score in excess of 200? It is not easy as it sounds. Especially in the UAE, overs 7-15 have proven to be very difficult for scoring. I can't remember a single one out of the 16 teams performing well with the bat on a consistent basis during this phase. It should not happen ideally, but in the UAE, teams batting second are having an unfair advantage. And this happened during both the semi-final matches. So toss is very important for the final and the team winning it will have a greater chance of lifting the trophy.

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Quote from: Fritwakky on November 12, 2021, 02:22:46 PM

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By slowing down in powerplay overs while batting first, I believe that teams will try to eliminate the impact of losing the toss. It has worked for many teams so far in this tournament. In semi final, Australia's weakness against spin attack got exposed and by considering the New Zealand's spinners' I guess New Zealand got better chances to clinch the cup. Considering batting depth and pace bowling attacks, both of the teams are equally balanced but there could be only difference in spin bowling.

There batting depth was shown in yesterday semi final against Pakistan. Despite 5 wickets down, there number 6 and 7 batsman were strong enough to hit sixes easily. Side batting second has very rear chances of winning, they have chance of winning if they score 200 or more runs otherwise it will be an easy chase. I will place my bet as soon as I see the result of toss, no matter how strong NZ and Australia are side winning toss has more chances of winning.

I will only advice you to not to get too excited after seeing the toss and place the bet on the team batting second. What if the team batting first is able to make 200+ runs making it extremely difficult to chase this in the second innings. Also chasing a 170 runs wont be easy as there will be the pressure of the final.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on November 12, 2021, 01:59:31 PM

By slowing down in powerplay overs while batting first, I believe that teams will try to eliminate the impact of losing the toss. It has worked for many teams so far in this tournament. In semi final, Australia's weakness against spin attack got exposed and by considering the New Zealand's spinners' I guess New Zealand got better chances to clinch the cup. Considering batting depth and pace bowling attacks, both of the teams are equally balanced but there could be only difference in spin bowling.

There batting depth was shown in yesterday semi final against Pakistan. Despite 5 wickets down, there number 6 and 7 batsman were strong enough to hit sixes easily. Side batting second has very rear chances of winning, they have chance of winning if they score 200 or more runs otherwise it will be an easy chase. I will place my bet as soon as I see the result of toss, no matter how strong NZ and Australia are side winning toss has more chances of winning.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 12, 2021, 01:41:29 PM

i would say that the toss will be an important aspect as the team winning the toss will bowl first and i am going to bet on the team chasing.

By slowing down in powerplay overs while batting first, I believe that teams will try to eliminate the impact of losing the toss. It has worked for many teams so far in this tournament. In semi final, Australia's weakness against spin attack got exposed and by considering the New Zealand's spinners' I guess New Zealand got better chances to clinch the cup. Considering batting depth and pace bowling attacks, both of the teams are equally balanced but there could be only difference in spin bowling.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 12, 2021, 01:41:29 PM

I am waiting for the toss and i might be placing a couple of hundred dollars and see how it will go.

I also planned for betting later but the odds are not attractive in my favorite places. It seems most people are expecting both Australia and New Zealand got equal chances to be a winner this year of T20 WC.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 12, 2021, 01:41:29 PM

In the semi finals, both teams chasing won the match and that was a common format we saw throughout this tournament. So i would say that the toss will be an important aspect as the team winning the toss will bowl first and i am going to bet on the team chasing. I am waiting for the toss and i might be placing a couple of hundred dollars and see how it will go.

Yes toss is the major key. In UAE, you win half of the game on toss. But if you see Pak vs Aus game yesterday, it was very much balanced till 19th over. If Pakistan didn't dropped catch of Wade the result could be very different. I suggest don't just put bet base on toss in the final. Both NZ and Aus are very much balanced sides and if side batting first can score 185+ runs, it will be very interesting to see the chase.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 12, 2021, 10:59:09 AM

Talking about unpredictability, I do think that Australia should win the finals but as we all predicted earlier that Pakistan will surely play in the finals we can be wrong this time too. Pakistan did lock for better than Australia but some mistakes cost them that match. Let's see what happens in the finals but I do think Australia will win if not something miracle happens.

In the semi finals, both teams chasing won the match and that was a common format we saw throughout this tournament. So i would say that the toss will be an important aspect as the team winning the toss will bowl first and i am going to bet on the team chasing. I am waiting for the toss and i might be placing a couple of hundred dollars and see how it will go.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 11, 2021, 09:23:17 PM

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The finals would be interesting to watch, I am sure NZ will try to win this tournament but you cannot underestimate the Australian side. They can turn the match in their favour. I was in the assumption that the way Pakistan was playing they would have entered the finals. 176 was a competitive score put on by the Pakistani batsmen but bowlers failed to capitalize it.

One thing that I like about the Australian team is that they are very good in winning trophies. Check the number of times they have won the ODI world cup. On the other hand, New Zealand team won the WTC just a few months back and their morale would be high as well. Although others would disagree, I would say that Australia is having the advantage here. Their team looks more balanced, while New Zealand is still struggling due to the absence of Lockie Ferguson and Kyle Jamieson. Adam Milne looks like the chink in the armor.

I would also say that Australia has The upper hand in this match. Australia has more power hitters and their bowling is also good. The bowlers seem to hit the Deck hard and also maintain their line and length very well. And the batsman of Australia can play really innovative shots under pressure which can disturb the opponent bowlers and captain mentally because then the opposing captain has to set the field for something unusual. Overall I think Australia I will win.

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Quote from: Sihab76 on November 11, 2021, 03:32:38 PM

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Hasan Ali's catch knocked Pakistan out of the final. However, it would not be wrong to call Hasan Ali a villain in today's match. His bowling figure is extremely dull preparation. If Pakistan is 10 in the 19th over Match would have contested if he could have taken the run.

It was suggested by many cricket experts that Hassan Ali may be given some rest in T20 WC, so he can regain his form but babar azam kept him in the team and kept playing with winning combination till Australia knock them out. Moral of the story is if a player is continuously not performing he must be given some rest rather give chance to some new player.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 12, 2021, 10:12:09 AM

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Now all focus is on second semifinal which is also not easy for both teams I am feeling good for Australia because now I want this revenge from New Zealand, and they have to win this World Cup after having their first ever test match championship.

Both favorite teams, England & Pakistan has knocked out from the semifinals. Australia & New Zealand are the finalist, and Aussie cricket team is favorite in the final now. It will be interesting if they loss the final against New Zealand team. I thought two teams among India, Pakistan, England and West Indies will play in the final. But two of them was out from the group stage and other two team got out from semifinals. T20 is really an unpredictable game.

Talking about unpredictability, I do think that Australia should win the finals but as we all predicted earlier that Pakistan will surely play in the finals we can be wrong this time too. Pakistan did lock for better than Australia but some mistakes cost them that match. Let's see what happens in the finals but I do think Australia will win if not something miracle happens.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 11, 2021, 06:41:54 PM

Before the tournament i thought India and England had a chance and then i thought Pakistan would reach the final. But what i see is that the team chasing will always win and that is how things have gone so far. So in the final even though i want to give New Zealand the chance of winning the tournament, i think the toss is important and i am betting on the team chasing Cheesy

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Toss is the key factor in uae. If you are batting first then make sure you score 200 runs if your opponent is strong team like Aus, NZ. 176 was good target and Pakistan got wickets at regular intervals but we have to admit the depth in Aus batting. Despite 5 down they have good hitters available that turned the match towards Aus, I m talking about Wade and stoinis

What a crazy match! Wade deserves a lot of credit for this effort. Hat trick sixes made him a superior player. Despite the performance of Matthew Wade, Australia wouldn't be in the T20 WorldCup final if Marcus Stoinis hadn't batted so well. Although 176 was good enough to compete, I still think the miss run outs caused Pakistan's loss, not the Hasan Ali drop catch.

Watching the entire match, no words can describe Stoinis and Wade's innings. This confident Aussies can now look forward to a maiden men's T20 WorldCup title!

Well, what I can say is Ben Stokes predicted wrong. And I know for sure that the Australia New Zealand final is going to be just great. Both teams seem to be in great form But I think Australia might just win the final because they have better hard-hitting batsmen. And in t20 cricket this matters a lot especially in-depth overs.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on November 10, 2021, 05:22:26 PM

Now all focus is on second semifinal which is also not easy for both teams I am feeling good for Australia because now I want this revenge from New Zealand, and they have to win this World Cup after having their first ever test match championship.

Both favorite teams, England & Pakistan has knocked out from the semifinals. Australia & New Zealand are the finalist, and Aussie cricket team is favorite in the final now. It will be interesting if they loss the final against New Zealand team. I thought two teams among India, Pakistan, England and West Indies will play in the final. But two of them was out from the group stage and other two team got out from semifinals. T20 is really an unpredictable game.

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Quote from: onecall123 on November 12, 2021, 01:20:33 AM

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 11, 2021, 06:41:54 PM

Before the tournament i thought India and England had a chance and then i thought Pakistan would reach the final. But what i see is that the team chasing will always win and that is how things have gone so far. So in the final even though i want to give New Zealand the chance of winning the tournament, i think the toss is important and i am betting on the team chasing Cheesy

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Toss is the key factor in uae. If you are batting first then make sure you score 200 runs if your opponent is strong team like Aus, NZ. 176 was good target and Pakistan got wickets at regular intervals but we have to admit the depth in Aus batting. Despite 5 down they have good hitters available that turned the match towards Aus, I m talking about Wade and stoinis

What a crazy match! Wade deserves a lot of credit for this effort. Hat trick sixes made him a superior player. Despite the performance of Matthew Wade, Australia wouldn't be in the T20 WorldCup final if Marcus Stoinis hadn't batted so well. Although 176 was good enough to compete, I still think the miss run outs caused Pakistan's loss, not the Hasan Ali drop catch.

Watching the entire match, no words can describe Stoinis and Wade's innings. This confident Aussies can now look forward to a maiden men's T20 WorldCup title!

Australian really snatched the win from the Pakistan team. However this does not mean that they are the favorites and will easily win the final.
The New Zealand team is also in full swing and they won't let go this final. It will be an interesting clash between the two. Lets see if toss is a decider for the final too.

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Quote from: Sihab76 on November 11, 2021, 03:32:38 PM

Hasan Ali's catch knocked Pakistan out of the final. However, it would not be wrong to call Hasan Ali a villain in today's match. His bowling figure is extremely dull preparation. If Pakistan is 10 in the 19th over Match would have contested if he could have taken the run.

Bad luck for hassan Ali, it was not his days. There were catches dropped by Aus too in the match but they went unnoticed since they won the match. Hassan Ali would feel heat of this drop catch for many days. It reminds me of rahat Ali dropping Watson at 6 in 2015 WC quarter final, it also costed Pakistan the match. Pakistan team should focus on not to drop catches in crucial games otherwise they will continue to lose games like that.

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Quote from: Sihab76 on November 11, 2021, 03:32:38 PM

Hasan Ali's catch knocked Pakistan out of the final. However, it would not be wrong to call Hasan Ali a villain in today's match. His bowling figure is extremely dull preparation. If Pakistan is 10 in the 19th over Match would have contested if he could have taken the run.

Quote from: eaLiTy on November 11, 2021, 12:44:44 PM

What the hell just happened, Pakistan was in a strong position and a dropped catch from Hasan Ali cost them the match.

This is a wrong perception that we lost the match because Hassan Ali missed the catch. We cannot blame that a single catch lost the match. Australian also dropped few catches too and they still won it.

Instead of focusing of "if and buts", it time to remember that it was a good competitive game of cricket and eventually one team showed better nerves and won the match.

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Quote from: galambo on November 11, 2021, 11:40:20 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on November 11, 2021, 06:41:54 PM

Before the tournament i thought India and England had a chance and then i thought Pakistan would reach the final. But what i see is that the team chasing will always win and that is how things have gone so far. So in the final even though i want to give New Zealand the chance of winning the tournament, i think the toss is important and i am betting on the team chasing Cheesy

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Toss is the key factor in uae. If you are batting first then make sure you score 200 runs if your opponent is strong team like Aus, NZ. 176 was good target and Pakistan got wickets at regular intervals but we have to admit the depth in Aus batting. Despite 5 down they have good hitters available that turned the match towards Aus, I m talking about Wade and stoinis

What a crazy match! Wade deserves a lot of credit for this effort. Hat trick sixes made him a superior player. Despite the performance of Matthew Wade, Australia wouldn't be in the T20 WorldCup final if Marcus Stoinis hadn't batted so well. Although 176 was good enough to compete, I still think the miss run outs caused Pakistan's loss, not the Hasan Ali drop catch.

Watching the entire match, no words can describe Stoinis and Wade's innings. This confident Aussies can now look forward to a maiden men's T20 WorldCup title!

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