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Quote from: LDL on August 14, 2023, 02:24:50 AM

Indian T20 team can never be called a bad team just because they are doing badly in this series in T20.

They were a bad team in the T-20 series period. They weren't even capable of defeating a team which couldn't qualify for the ODI World Cup which itself says a lot. This is the raw truth regardless of whether you accept it or not.

Quote from: LDL on August 14, 2023, 06:55:40 AM

but India's performance in the third match was not bad but Had to lose due to some wrong decisions in the bowling department.

Not bad? Hilarious. They misfired in the batting and bowling departments and got decimated by the Windies. Think!

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Indian T20 team can never be called a bad team just because they are doing badly in this series in T20 but there were several wrong decisions for this team which Hardik Pandya could not control properly. In the T20 series, however, two or three senior players such as Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were definitely needed. The advice and leadership of senior players is definitely better than the leadership of freshers and they know how to lead the team in times of danger. In yesterday's match as well, Hardik Pandya had several misjudgments in the bowling department which were enough to send India down in yesterday's match.

I don't think it's bad performance from young India team. This is best way to test a new team and India have got a new talent in the form of Talik Varma.
Finally something to cheer about for WI cricket which haven't won a series in recent years. Yesterday match was interrupted 3 times because of rain but still we have a full match.

Yes, it is definitely how many new Indian batsmen and bowlers are given a chance to prove themselves. India is a big cricket loving country where they can field three teams in t20 if they want where their lowest quality team has the ability to beat any cricketing country in the world. But one thing is very important that no one could have imagined that this Indian team would lose the T20 series 3-2 against the currently out of form West Indies but India but after losing the first two matches won two matches but India's performance in the third match was not bad but Had to lose due to some wrong decisions in the bowling department.

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Quote from: MusaPk on August 14, 2023, 06:00:50 AM

Quote from: LDL on August 14, 2023, 02:24:50 AM

Indian T20 team can never be called a bad team just because they are doing badly in this series in T20 but there were several wrong decisions for this team which Hardik Pandya could not control properly. In the T20 series, however, two or three senior players such as Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were definitely needed. The advice and leadership of senior players is definitely better than the leadership of freshers and they know how to lead the team in times of danger. In yesterday's match as well, Hardik Pandya had several misjudgments in the bowling department which were enough to send India down in yesterday's match.

I don't think it's bad performance from young India team. This is best way to test a new team and India have got a new talent in the form of Talik Varma.
Finally something to cheer about for WI cricket which haven't won a series in recent years. Yesterday match was interrupted 3 times because of rain but still we have a full match.

It isn't a bar performance from young India team. It bounced after losing the first two matches, and brought back the hope of winning the series as the young Indian team won the 3^rd & 4^th matches. The 4^th match was massive win and the same increased the expectation over the team. In the final match the performance from the Indian players were good, while the West Indies team performance is better than before.

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Quote from: LDL on August 14, 2023, 02:24:50 AM

Indian T20 team can never be called a bad team just because they are doing badly in this series in T20 but there were several wrong decisions for this team which Hardik Pandya could not control properly. In the T20 series, however, two or three senior players such as Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were definitely needed. The advice and leadership of senior players is definitely better than the leadership of freshers and they know how to lead the team in times of danger. In yesterday's match as well, Hardik Pandya had several misjudgments in the bowling department which were enough to send India down in yesterday's match.

I don't think it's bad performance from young India team. This is best way to test a new team and India have got a new talent in the form of Talik Varma.
Finally something to cheer about for WI cricket which haven't won a series in recent years. Yesterday match was interrupted 3 times because of rain but still we have a full match.

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Really feeling sad for the future of Indian team. Without Rohit, Virat and Jadeja, the team is nothing. Really very disappointing performance by team India in yesterday’s last match against WI. WI who didn’t even qualified for the last year’s T20 world cup, have now defeated one of the strong T20 team. I don’t know whose fault it is, but Pandya really did weak captaincy. I still can’t understand why BCCI considering these senior players as unfit? They are hardly 34 in age, they can easily play for next 2 years. Under them these youngsters will gain experience and knowledge and this only can improve their gameplay. Let’s hope the best for team India is Asia Cup.

When I saw the last match performance by Indian team I was thinking that now India team is trying well to come up and now performance is quite better. But they gave only the target of 166 runs. They know that West Indies made 178 runs in the last match so they can easily chase this target. If India go above 200 runs than it was difficult target for West Indies. By the way now series end and West Indies won with 3-2.

The main weakness of this Indian squad is the erratic performance of their openers. In the first two matches, we did not see a good performance from India's opening pair. India's opening pair played very well in the third and fourth matches. Even in the fourth match, the two Indian openers made a pair of 165 runs. But in the last match again we saw the poor performance of India's opening pair. Opener Jaiswal scored 5 runs and Gill returned to the fold with 9 runs.

Even though Suryakumar and Tilak played somewhat well, the middle order players could not maintain the consistency. And so India's innings stopped at just 165 runs. 165 runs on this pitch was not enough to win. At the same time the performance of Indian bowlers was not good. Opener Brandon King was unbeaten on 85 runs. West Indies team got a very easy win.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 13, 2023, 02:27:46 PM

My prediction was spot on. Hardik showed a lot of potential as a captain initially, but he has squandered it in recent times. Why the heck did he give Chahal so many overs and Axar so few overs?

Sky and Varma played well, but they can't save the team everytime. The current Indian ODI and T-20 teams are in a bad state at present.

Indian T20 team can never be called a bad team just because they are doing badly in this series in T20 but there were several wrong decisions for this team which Hardik Pandya could not control properly. In the T20 series, however, two or three senior players such as Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli were definitely needed. The advice and leadership of senior players is definitely better than the leadership of freshers and they know how to lead the team in times of danger. In yesterday's match as well, Hardik Pandya had several misjudgments in the bowling department which were enough to send India down in yesterday's match.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on August 13, 2023, 09:11:20 PM

Really feeling sad for the future of Indian team. Without Rohit, Virat and Jadeja, the team is nothing. Really very disappointing performance by team India in yesterday’s last match against WI. WI who didn’t even qualified for the last year’s T20 world cup, have now defeated one of the strong T20 team. I don’t know whose fault it is, but Pandya really did weak captaincy. I still can’t understand why BCCI considering these senior players as unfit? They are hardly 34 in age, they can easily play for next 2 years. Under them these youngsters will gain experience and knowledge and this only can improve their gameplay. Let’s hope the best for team India is Asia Cup.

When I saw the last match performance by Indian team I was thinking that now India team is trying well to come up and now performance is quite better. But they gave only the target of 166 runs. They know that West Indies made 178 runs in the last match so they can easily chase this target. If India go above 200 runs than it was difficult target for West Indies. By the way now series end and West Indies won with 3-2.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 14, 2023, 01:01:07 AM

There is no threat to the future of cricket in India, cricket is one of their major sports and the Indian cricket board is one of the richest and biggest cricket board.

As far as test cricket goes there is no threat in the longer run, same could be said about Whiteball cricket but atm India is struggling to fill the leadership vacuum and it's hurting Indian cause, especially in limited overs cricket.

One by one next generation captains are failing. Initially, management was looking at Iyer as a future captain but because of injuries, he hardly play regularly. They also tried KL Rahul, which backfired. Pandaya did look alright at the start but nowadays he's going overboard. Atm he's all talk but no performance or hint of leadership. He's taking the captaincy gig for granted and only seems to promote himself. Taking new ball every now n then, the main bowlers are under bowled and batting up at the order for no reason.

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Quote from: Cheema02 on August 13, 2023, 11:06:09 PM

In 5th T20 West Indies won by 8 wickets and won the series by 3-2.

The Indian team has to lose in the last stage due to the fall of wickets from the beginning. Because the West Indies lost two consecutive matches in the third and fourth match and gave a sufficient reply to the Indian team in the fifth match. Brandon King is the best batsman in the West Indies team and remains unbeaten. Brandon king scored almost half the runs but by a huge margin I never thought West Indies could win by such a margin. Although India could not put any pressure on the bowling side, the West Indies team put India under a lot of pressure on the bowling side as Romario Shepherd single-handedly fell four wickets which made the Indian team weak here.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 14, 2023, 12:32:48 AM

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Anyhow this T20 series defeat may badly impact the Indian cause in the upcoming Asia Cup and World Cup as the team morale will be down after this defeat.

Agreed. It's crazy to see so many bonafide IPL superstars failing against a weak WI side. The future of India is definitely not looking bright in literally every format. They need to step up their game.

There is no threat to the future of cricket in India, cricket is one of their major sports and the Indian cricket board is one of the richest and biggest cricket board.

However, I feel that the excess of playing too much cricket at the IPL may be the reason for this temporary downfall. Anyhow the world does not look for excuses. India lost to the weakest team and that is being discussed all over sports TV channels and social media.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 13, 2023, 09:22:47 PM

Sanju Samson continues to fail, despite being given numerous opportunities at this level, while Hardik Pandya also disappointed yesterday. And for yesterday's match, India had four genuine tailenders (Arshdeep Singh, Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzvendra Chahal and Mukesh Kumar).Therefore the lower order also didn't contributed much.

Yeah. Samson fans need to chill now since he is inconsistent as usual in all formats. Also, the tail-enders continue batting like crap.

Quote from: noormcs5 on August 13, 2023, 10:09:32 PM

Anyhow this T20 series defeat may badly impact the Indian cause in the upcoming Asia Cup and World Cup as the team morale will be down after this defeat.

Agreed. It's crazy to see so many bonafide IPL superstars failing against a weak WI side. The future of India is definitely not looking bright in literally every format. They need to step up their game.

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Quote from: Cheema02 on August 13, 2023, 11:06:09 PM

In 5th T20 West Indies won by 8 wickets and won the series by 3-2. WI chase down the target 166 target in just 18 Overs what a performance by the West Indies. While batting first India scored 165 runs in a loss of 9 wickets in 20 Overs. From India Suryakumar Yadav only batter that scores fifty 61 runs in just 45 balls and Tilak Virma scored 27 runs in 18 balls rest of the other batters doesn't perform well. West indies bowlers and batters performed well Brandon King score unbeaten 85 runs and chase down the target of 171 scores in a loss of 2 wickets. The player of the match is Romario Shepherd by picking 4 crucial wickets and won the series against West Indies. Congratulations to West India for defeating a series India after 7 years the player of the series is Nicholas Pooran

By not taking the series seriously, India got what they deserved. Now they see the importance how their senior players for the team. The biggest error was winning the toss and choosing to bat first. They should chase the target, that's their strength. West Indies won the decider match, winning the series by 3-2 against the No.1 Team. Brandon King's unbeaten 85* (55) led the hosts to their first T20I series victory against India since 2017. Congratulations to West Indies!

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Quote from: Nrcewker on August 13, 2023, 09:11:20 PM

Really feeling sad for the future of Indian team. Without Rohit, Virat and Jadeja, the team is nothing. Really very disappointing performance by team India in yesterday’s last match against WI. WI who didn’t even qualified for the last year’s T20 world cup, have now defeated one of the strong T20 team. I don’t know whose fault it is, but Pandya really did weak captaincy. I still can’t understand why BCCI considering these senior players as unfit? They are hardly 34 in age, they can easily play for next 2 years. Under them these youngsters will gain experience and knowledge and this only can improve their gameplay. Let’s hope the best for team India is Asia Cup.

I totally agree with you that the future of Indian cricket team will be very disappointing. Rohit Sharma,Virat Kohli,Jadeja,Bumrah India is nothing without these players. I think keeping experienced players in the squad gives courage to the young players in the team. West Indies have always played well in T20s and they deserve to win against big teams. It would be wrong to say that India fielded a full-strength squad. You can call this Indian team the best XI of IPL or you can call it the young India team. The BCCI has rested the senior players of the team to avoid any injuries in view of the upcoming two major tournaments. In my opinion, this year's Asia Cup will be the best not only for Team India but also for every team. As each team has improved their game 100% they will field with their strongest squad.

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In 5th T20 West Indies won by 8 wickets and won the series by 3-2. WI chase down the target 166 target in just 18 Overs what a performance by the West Indies. While batting first India scored 165 runs in a loss of 9 wickets in 20 Overs. From India Suryakumar Yadav only batter that scores fifty 61 runs in just 45 balls and Tilak Virma scored 27 runs in 18 balls rest of the other batters doesn't perform well. West indies bowlers and batters performed well Brandon King score unbeaten 85 runs and chase down the target of 171 scores in a loss of 2 wickets. The player of the match is Romario Shepherd by picking 4 crucial wickets and won the series against West Indies. Congratulations to West India for defeating a series India after 7 years the player of the series is Nicholas Pooran

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 13, 2023, 02:27:46 PM

My prediction was spot on. Hardik showed a lot of potential as a captain initially, but he has squandered it in recent times. Why the heck did he give Chahal so many overs and Axar so few overs?

Sky and Varma played well, but they can't save the team everytime. The current Indian ODI and T-20 teams are in a bad state at present.

I do not know if the Indian team is in bad form at the moment or if they just do not take the West Indies team seriously. Perhaps they thought the West Indies is not a strong team and they took things for granted.

Anyhow this T20 series defeat may badly impact the Indian cause in the upcoming Asia Cup and World Cup as the team morale will be down after this defeat.

On the other hand, It is a very important series win for WI when they are in their worst days, not able to qualify for the world cup and losing back to back matches. This win may give them hope that they can return back to their glory days if they work hard in the next few years.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 13, 2023, 02:27:46 PM

My prediction was spot on. Hardik showed a lot of potential as a captain initially, but he has squandered it in recent times. Why the heck did he give Chahal so many overs and Axar so few overs?

Sky and Varma played well, but they can't save the team everytime. The current Indian ODI and T-20 teams are in a bad state at present.

Hardik is not exactly captainship material and it is clear to everyone now. India should look into other options. BTW, it was disappointing to see the top order failing once again. During the 4th match, both Yashasvi Jaiswal and Shubman Gill played exceptionally well. But these two together made just 14 runs yesterday. Sanju Samson continues to fail, despite being given numerous opportunities at this level, while Hardik Pandya also disappointed yesterday. And for yesterday's match, India had four genuine tailenders (Arshdeep Singh, Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzvendra Chahal and Mukesh Kumar).Therefore the lower order also didn't contributed much.

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Really feeling sad for the future of Indian team. Without Rohit, Virat and Jadeja, the team is nothing. Really very disappointing performance by team India in yesterday’s last match against WI. WI who didn’t even qualified for the last year’s T20 world cup, have now defeated one of the strong T20 team. I don’t know whose fault it is, but Pandya really did weak captaincy. I still can’t understand why BCCI considering these senior players as unfit? They are hardly 34 in age, they can easily play for next 2 years. Under them these youngsters will gain experience and knowledge and this only can improve their gameplay. Let’s hope the best for team India is Asia Cup.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 13, 2023, 02:27:46 PM

My prediction was spot on. Hardik showed a lot of potential as a captain initially, but he has squandered it in recent times. Why the heck did he give Chahal so many overs and Axar so few overs?

Sky and Varma played well, but they can't save the team everytime. The current Indian ODI and T-20 teams are in a bad state at present.

Losing the series after making a comeback shows how bad is the team. In recent matches India team is like depending on few players. Once similar situation prevailed with the Pakistan team. The team used to have good line-up, but they don't perform when the match is critical.

Yesterday it was India to chase the target easier. Today it is West Indies to win it in an easy way with the best performance of Brandon King scoring 85* runs in 55 balls. India should think and play better as Asia Cup and world cup matches were fast approaching.

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In the fifth match, West Indies won the fifth match just as India won the fourth match by a landslide against the West Indies. The Caribbean secured a huge 8-wicket victory over India.

In the fourth match, India won by nine wickets, and in the fifth match, West Indies secured an 8-wicket win against India, that is, the mistakes made by West Indies in the fourth match were well corrected in the fifth match, and with the victory of the fifth match, they won the T20 series.

There is a lot of difference between Hardik Pandya's performance as a captain and Hardik Pandya's performance as an ordinary player. Hardik Pandya may not be able to perform at his best due to the pressure of captaincy. If a player is given the captaincy duty if he does not perform well and captaincy is a job of different pressure for him then it is better not to give that player the captaincy duty. Hardik Pandya may have to be more experienced to carry out the duties of captain.

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WI have a reasonable start of the innings as they are 43/1 in first 4 overs. Its a big game for both sides and they both can't afford to lose today's game. India have given a target of 166 runs and WI at the moment require 122 on 96 balls with 9 wikcets in hands. The game is very much balanced between both sides and next 6 overs are important for both sides.

Now game is almost shift to one side because west indies has scored 117 by losing just one wickets and the special things is that both set batter has scored more than 100 partnership which is not a good indication for India because such kind of things will not only took the game away from them but will win the series too, one things is clear from indian batting that when ever thier opening partnership collapse because a significant runs then definitely they will scored low and will lose too according to previous matches experience, still India has a chance to put his team on a track by taking quick important wickets, now due to rain game got delayed but if bowlers didn't get manage to get wickets then they will be responsible of consequences

In this match, India could not extend the target which can be a cause to loss this match. On the other hand, West Indies also started their innings well. Due to which, they were very close to overcoming that target. Although the match has been called off due to rain, West Indies will win today's match as per the playing conditions and they will enjoy series winning against India. West Indies team expected such a win after many days. After losing the first wicket, a good partnership between Brandon King and Nicholas Pooran helped the team to victory.

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