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Grass season is revving up: Stuttgart ATP

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Kyrgios v Wu

Every match with Nick Kyrgios is a great tennis show. He doesn't play very regularly so it's a nice possibility to watch him play, getting ready for the grass season and Wimbledon. It looks like an easy match for the Aussie though.

Yes Kyrgios is a great tennis player, massive talent but I feel his best years are over at this
stage and the fact that he doesnt play a full season and is really only playing grass courts
means he isnt match fit by the time the season starts, he lost today to Wu 5-7, 3-6.

Kyrgios is unfortunately struggling with his mental problems. If he had fought his demons earlier, he would certainly be at a higher level. But we also have to consider that he had not played a match yet this year. The last time was at the end of 2022 and he also missed the French Open because he injured his foot.

He just dosent care. He isnt even fit for playing tennis at the moment. I watched the match he mostly just served good on it and hot tired from just that. You need to train and gain some strength to play tennis . He just plays like he is an amature and once he losses the first set he dosent even care for the match anymore.

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Quote from: mv1986 on June 13, 2023, 11:53:33 PM

I am not so much concerned about any negative long-term impacts on his body because he has access to the best medicine in the world and he also knows best what he is feeling like right now. Professionals like him develop a very sensitive feeling for the actual physical state of their body. That is up to him.

But what could happen is that he can't let go and wants to try at too high cost to come back on the tour, but even that I doubt will happen eventually. Nadal has already started the process of letting go. That is why in interviews he now more often says that if he comes back, the next year will be his last year most likely. He also has become a father which probably also makes it a bit easier to start a new phase in life.

He now recently said that his goal is to play those tournaments next year that have been the most important to him in his career and that way say goodbye to all the fans.

Well, I am sure that he is going to try his best to do well in the next year. I don’t know if he will actually succeed in doing that or not. But I do wish him the best. Currently, he also understands that his time has come and he has to end his career. It’s better to do that when he is healthy, and it’s also better to do this on his own terms. of course, it is going to be hard. A man whose life was all about tennis is not going to find it easy.

I believe he has a lot of money, but he will still have to do some hard work if he wants to get himself into some kind of business. He will have to be active for the first three years. At least if you want to passive income. But he will certainly get more time to spend with his family after his retirement.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 14, 2023, 07:29:51 AM

Yes, it is very difficult to come back and play again at the top level in tennis after long breaks due to injuries or when it is an older player who is no longer as fast and physically fit as he used to be.
Venus Williams was a top and very successful tennis player who won many important tennis tournaments and can be satisfied with her career.
However, Kyrgios had tremendous talent and if he had the necessary character and work habits he could have been one of the best tennis players in history. Too bad for him.
I am currently following Andy Murray's performance at the Nottingham Open. It is incredible to see his mental strength and will that after so many injuries, even at the age of 36, he is still playing tennis and preparing for Wimbledon. At one time, he was an equal tennis player to the "big three of world tennis" Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, and won 3 GS tournaments and 2 Olympic golds. If injuries had not stopped his tennis career, it is likely that today we would be talking about the "big four" and not the trio of world tennis.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/65892767

Injuries were real threat to sportsman. Very few will be strong enough to make a comeback, whereas the majority ends the career. He had played well against De Loore and won the match in direct sets. Next match is against Grenier who can be won by Andy Murray. For now Grenier have won his last match months back in the Challenger against Billy Harris. Now only Djokovic is only player who is talked much. Federer, Nadal and Murray have been remembered as the legends forever.

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Yes, it is very difficult to come back and play again at the top level in tennis after long breaks due to injuries or when it is an older player who is no longer as fast and physically fit as he used to be.
Venus Williams was a top and very successful tennis player who won many important tennis tournaments and can be satisfied with her career.
However, Kyrgios had tremendous talent and if he had the necessary character and work habits he could have been one of the best tennis players in history. Too bad for him.
I am currently following Andy Murray's performance at the Nottingham Open. It is incredible to see his mental strength and will that after so many injuries, even at the age of 36, he is still playing tennis and preparing for Wimbledon. At one time, he was an equal tennis player to the "big three of world tennis" Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, and won 3 GS tournaments and 2 Olympic golds. If injuries had not stopped his tennis career, it is likely that today we would be talking about the "big four" and not the trio of world tennis.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/65892767

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Quote from: n0ne on June 13, 2023, 10:03:51 PM

Venus Williams had a good comeback set in the Rosmalen Grass Court Championships, but she wasn't able to win the match. Since January it is the first match played by Venus Williams. Started good with a winning set 6-3 against the young Swiss player Naef. Later in the second set she had a tough fight and the tie breaker ended in favour of Naef 7⁷-6³. The third set was easily won by Naef 6-2. Venus Williams expected to reach atleast to the quarter finals have ended so early.

I'm really surprised she is still able to compete at the highest level at her age (42). Here love and dedication to tennis is unbelievable. I remember a long time both Williams sisters promised they will continue playing singles tennis while they physically can, then move on to the doubles.But I guess Serena is not quite back into tennis with her pregnancy and photo shoots and all that, so Venus has nothing left to do but try her luck in singles.

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Quote from: aoluain on June 13, 2023, 05:05:18 PM

Quote from: serveria.com on June 13, 2023, 01:55:20 AM

Grass season is revving up: Stuttgart ATP

-snip-

Kyrgios v Wu

Every match with Nick Kyrgios is a great tennis show. He doesn't play very regularly so it's a nice possibility to watch him play, getting ready for the grass season and Wimbledon. It looks like an easy match for the Aussie though.

Yes Kyrgios is a great tennis player, massive talent but I feel his best years are over at this
stage and the fact that he doesnt play a full season and is really only playing grass courts
means he isnt match fit by the time the season starts, he lost today to Wu 5-7, 3-6.

Kyrgios is unfortunately struggling with his mental problems. If he had fought his demons earlier, he would certainly be at a higher level. But we also have to consider that he had not played a match yet this year. The last time was at the end of 2022 and he also missed the French Open because he injured his foot.

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Quote from: n0ne on June 13, 2023, 10:03:51 PM

Venus Williams had a good comeback set in the Rosmalen Grass Court Championships, but she wasn't able to win the match. Since January it is the first match played by Venus Williams. Started good with a winning set 6-3 against the young Swiss player Naef. Later in the second set she had a tough fight and the tie breaker ended in favour of Naef 7⁷-6³. The third set was easily won by Naef 6-2. Venus Williams expected to reach atleast to the quarter finals have ended so early.

She is quite old for a female tennis player because she is already 42 years old, that's why there is not so much she can do against young players and being able to force her to play 3 sets it will really drain her, it would be better if she plays doubles because we can see how the players who are old enough and choose to play doubles are quite successful like Martina Hingis who also has a good record in doubles when she has retired from singles parties. But it's amazing that he can still play even a few years ago, she was still able to reach the Wimbledon final only losing to Muguruza, and we will no longer be able to see her win easily with any tennis player because of course, age limits her ability.

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Quote from: Minecache on June 13, 2023, 12:04:24 PM

Actually, I believe for Rafael Nadal, it is the injuries that are actually going to cause him problems. If he does not stop playing, it is going to have a seriously bad effect on his body. And he might not like that towards the end of his human life when he is going to suffer serious knee problems. I heard that most of the athletes who are in fast paced sports like this generally suffer knee and joint problems toward the later stages of life. We can already see a lot of injuries being inflicted on him.

I also believe that Novak Djokovic still has at least two years of good form. He has achieved a lot of great things already. Let’s see how he can perform in the future.

I am not so much concerned about any negative long-term impacts on his body because he has access to the best medicine in the world and he also knows best what he is feeling like right now. Professionals like him develop a very sensitive feeling for the actual physical state of their body. That is up to him.

But what could happen is that he can't let go and wants to try at too high cost to come back on the tour, but even that I doubt will happen eventually. Nadal has already started the process of letting go. That is why in interviews he now more often says that if he comes back, the next year will be his last year most likely. He also has become a father which probably also makes it a bit easier to start a new phase in life.

He now recently said that his goal is to play those tournaments next year that have been the most important to him in his career and that way say goodbye to all the fans.

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Venus Williams had a good comeback set in the Rosmalen Grass Court Championships, but she wasn't able to win the match. Since January it is the first match played by Venus Williams. Started good with a winning set 6-3 against the young Swiss player Naef. Later in the second set she had a tough fight and the tie breaker ended in favour of Naef 7⁷-6³. The third set was easily won by Naef 6-2. Venus Williams expected to reach atleast to the quarter finals have ended so early.

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Quote from: mv1986 on June 13, 2023, 01:31:20 AM

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Most professional tennis players are getting older, so their performance and quality of play will definitely decrease, but it is very different from Djokovic, who is actually more enthusiastic and can play even better.
Yes, for Nadal it is very clear that the decline in the play he is doing is probably due to the age factor plus several injuries he has experienced so that he cannot play as well as Djokovic.

Djokovic really deserves to wear the crown because no one has been able to match and surpass the many titles he has won.

In case of Nadal I know we are already talking about his decline, but it is just a year ago that he won the French Open. I also doubt that he can come back as strong as ever, but there is still his triumph that is only 12 months old. In between he had surgeries and lacked training accordingly of course, but maybe he is fully determined to give it one more year and do the maximum in order to be able to exactly go that one year.

Djokovic's style changed a bit. He was more into long rallies and nonstop running and covering the court from left to right, defending the craziest shots. But now he is forcing more of those shorter rallies by going straight to the net very early. It works well for him and if he finds a way to not put too much burden onto his body during most the game, he might be playing for another three years or even more. Federer won his last GS title at age 37.5. That is 1.5 years to go for Djokovic from now.

Nadal will have a hard time considering his post-injury recovery and his playing performance has significantly decreased.
Maybe 12 months is quite a long time, but for an athlete, that time doesn't really matter, especially for the healing of the injury he experienced, so he lacked self-training, which made Nadal left behind by other players like Djokovic.

Djokovic played with short rallies just to optimize the game and get points faster considering that if he plays like he used to before he can get tired faster and drain too much energy.

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Quote from: aoluain on June 13, 2023, 05:05:18 PM

Yes Kyrgios is a great tennis player, massive talent but I feel his best years are over at this
stage and the fact that he doesnt play a full season and is really only playing grass courts
means he isnt match fit by the time the season starts, he lost today to Wu 5-7, 3-6.

Kygrios is the prime of his carreer with his 28 years old so he right now he will have his best years. For Kyrgios it is mainly a mental game, is he puts his mind to it he, he can win against everybody; he reached the finals in Wimbledon last year for the first time. His loss right now means nothing, most probably he was not really in the mood to play.
One thing is for sure, there is always some sensation when he plays.

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Quote from: serveria.com on June 13, 2023, 01:55:20 AM

Grass season is revving up: Stuttgart ATP

-snip-

Kyrgios v Wu

Every match with Nick Kyrgios is a great tennis show. He doesn't play very regularly so it's a nice possibility to watch him play, getting ready for the grass season and Wimbledon. It looks like an easy match for the Aussie though.

Yes Kyrgios is a great tennis player, massive talent but I feel his best years are over at this
stage and the fact that he doesnt play a full season and is really only playing grass courts
means he isnt match fit by the time the season starts, he lost today to Wu 5-7, 3-6.

On Thursday Tsitsipas is scheduled to play Gasquet, looking at the stats on results on court
surfaces, Gasquet seems to have a better win/loss ratio on Grass, I wonder is a bet on Gasquet
worth the 3.95 odds he has?

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Quote from: mv1986 on June 13, 2023, 01:31:20 AM

In case of Nadal I know we are already talking about his decline, but it is just a year ago that he won the French Open. I also doubt that he can come back as strong as ever, but there is still his triumph that is only 12 months old. In between he had surgeries and lacked training accordingly of course, but maybe he is fully determined to give it one more year and do the maximum in order to be able to exactly go that one year.

Injuries have a way of affecting an athlete's performance. They have a very good chance of struggling to get back up to their optimal performance. Nadal can win another GS, but he will struggle for it.

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Djokovic's style changed a bit. He was more into long rallies and nonstop running and covering the court from left to right, defending the craziest shots. But now he is forcing more of those shorter rallies by going straight to the net very early. It works well for him and if he finds a way to not put too much burden onto his body during most the game, he might be playing for another three years or even more. Federer won his last GS title at age 37.5. That is 1.5 years to go for Djokovic from now.

The way Djokovic plays shows he will still win more GS. He has the special ability of being able to adjust to any pressure that any opponent put on him and play better. That single ability since he looks to have mastered it, will help him win many more games to come.

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Quote from: mv1986 on June 13, 2023, 01:31:20 AM

Quote from: tusandii on June 12, 2023, 10:33:49 PM

Most professional tennis players are getting older, so their performance and quality of play will definitely decrease, but it is very different from Djokovic, who is actually more enthusiastic and can play even better.
Yes, for Nadal it is very clear that the decline in the play he is doing is probably due to the age factor plus several injuries he has experienced so that he cannot play as well as Djokovic.
Djokovic really deserves to wear the crown because no one has been able to match and surpass the many titles he has won.

In case of Nadal I know we are already talking about his decline, but it is just a year ago that he won the French Open. I also doubt that he can come back as strong as ever, but there is still his triumph that is only 12 months old. In between he had surgeries and lacked training accordingly of course, but maybe he is fully determined to give it one more year and do the maximum in order to be able to exactly go that one year.
Djokovic's style changed a bit. He was more into long rallies and nonstop running and covering the court from left to right, defending the craziest shots. But now he is forcing more of those shorter rallies by going straight to the net very early. It works well for him and if he finds a way to not put too much burden onto his body during most the game, he might be playing for another three years or even more. Federer won his last GS title at age 37.5. That is 1.5 years to go for Djokovic from now.

Actually, I believe for Rafael Nadal, it is the injuries that are actually going to cause him problems. If he does not stop playing, it is going to have a seriously bad effect on his body. And he might not like that towards the end of his human life when he is going to suffer serious knee problems. I heard that most of the athletes who are in fast paced sports like this generally suffer knee and joint problems toward the later stages of life. We can already see a lot of injuries being inflicted on him.

I also believe that Novak Djokovic still has at least two years of good form. He has achieved a lot of great things already. Let’s see how he can perform in the future.

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Grass season is revving up: Stuttgart ATP

Some interesting matches to watch out for today:

Zhang v Struff

Both players have been performing very well lately: Struff reached the Madrid final which he lost to Alcaraz and Zhang managed to reach the 3rd round of Roland Garros. Earlier he also got into the Madrid quarterfinal. With both players on fire, this is going to be a spectacular match.

Shapovalov v Fucsovics

Here is the other way round - both guys have been under-performing in latest matches. This, however, means that both players will try their best to show some decent results in Stuttgart and the match will be intense.

Kyrgios v Wu

Every match with Nick Kyrgios is a great tennis show. He doesn't play very regularly so it's a nice possibility to watch him play, getting ready for the grass season and Wimbledon. It looks like an easy match for the Aussie though.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 12, 2023, 10:33:49 PM

Most professional tennis players are getting older, so their performance and quality of play will definitely decrease, but it is very different from Djokovic, who is actually more enthusiastic and can play even better.
Yes, for Nadal it is very clear that the decline in the play he is doing is probably due to the age factor plus several injuries he has experienced so that he cannot play as well as Djokovic.

Djokovic really deserves to wear the crown because no one has been able to match and surpass the many titles he has won.

In case of Nadal I know we are already talking about his decline, but it is just a year ago that he won the French Open. I also doubt that he can come back as strong as ever, but there is still his triumph that is only 12 months old. In between he had surgeries and lacked training accordingly of course, but maybe he is fully determined to give it one more year and do the maximum in order to be able to exactly go that one year.

Djokovic's style changed a bit. He was more into long rallies and nonstop running and covering the court from left to right, defending the craziest shots. But now he is forcing more of those shorter rallies by going straight to the net very early. It works well for him and if he finds a way to not put too much burden onto his body during most the game, he might be playing for another three years or even more. Federer won his last GS title at age 37.5. That is 1.5 years to go for Djokovic from now.

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It is actually sad to see all the players of a generation getting old and retiring almost at the same period of time. It was certainly a great win from Novak Djokovic. Obviously, it could have been a final between Djokovic vs Nadal. That could have made things really memorable for the fans. The final was actually not that bad. Of course, it was a little one sided. But I think we all kind of expected this outcome. Congratulations to Djokovic.

Djokovic has become the tennis player with the most Grand Slam titles and surpassed his rival Nadal.
I can already judge that Djokovic is indeed the greatest tennis player of all time and is the only penis who has made history with the most titles than any other tennis player.

If it becomes a final between Djokovic vs Nadal I still believe Djokovic will come out as the champion even though he is quite old but his game performance remains the same not decreasing one bit.

With the win once again he had made a new record. As mentioned, even if the match is being played between Nadal and Djokovic this could've been the match of Djokovic. Both were almost same in age, Nadal is just an year older. The performance between the two compared to the past is completely different. There is good game in Djokovic, with Nadal things have gone due to injury and age factor. This makes Djokovic the player of all time amidst his age.

Most professional tennis players are getting older, so their performance and quality of play will definitely decrease, but it is very different from Djokovic, who is actually more enthusiastic and can play even better.
Yes, for Nadal it is very clear that the decline in the play he is doing is probably due to the age factor plus several injuries he has experienced so that he cannot play as well as Djokovic.

Djokovic really deserves to wear the crown because no one has been able to match and surpass the many titles he has won.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 12, 2023, 01:40:53 PM

Quote from: Minecache on June 12, 2023, 05:19:36 AM

It is actually sad to see all the players of a generation getting old and retiring almost at the same period of time. It was certainly a great win from Novak Djokovic. Obviously, it could have been a final between Djokovic vs Nadal. That could have made things really memorable for the fans. The final was actually not that bad. Of course, it was a little one sided. But I think we all kind of expected this outcome. Congratulations to Djokovic.

Djokovic has become the tennis player with the most Grand Slam titles and surpassed his rival Nadal.
I can already judge that Djokovic is indeed the greatest tennis player of all time and is the only penis who has made history with the most titles than any other tennis player.

If it becomes a final between Djokovic vs Nadal I still believe Djokovic will come out as the champion even though he is quite old but his game performance remains the same not decreasing one bit.

With the win once again he had made a new record. As mentioned, even if the match is being played between Nadal and Djokovic this could've been the match of Djokovic. Both were almost same in age, Nadal is just an year older. The performance between the two compared to the past is completely different. There is good game in Djokovic, with Nadal things have gone due to injury and age factor. This makes Djokovic the player of all time amidst his age.

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Quote from: tusandii on June 12, 2023, 01:40:53 PM

Quote from: Minecache on June 12, 2023, 05:19:36 AM

It is actually sad to see all the players of a generation getting old and retiring almost at the same period of time. It was certainly a great win from Novak Djokovic. Obviously, it could have been a final between Djokovic vs Nadal. That could have made things really memorable for the fans. The final was actually not that bad. Of course, it was a little one sided. But I think we all kind of expected this outcome. Congratulations to Djokovic.

Djokovic has become the tennis player with the most Grand Slam titles and surpassed his rival Nadal.
I can already judge that Djokovic is indeed the greatest tennis player of all time and is the only penis who has made history with the most titles than any other tennis player.

If it becomes a final between Djokovic vs Nadal I still believe Djokovic will come out as the champion even though he is quite old but his game performance remains the same not decreasing one bit.

Djokovic is a guy who values records highly and he has this one to himself without a doubt. He will probably keep it as it is not very likely that any one in the near future will reach 23 titles and that number only stands until he wins another one. But one sentence he said in an interview was interesting. He said

"It is no coincidence winning my 23rd Grand Slam here in Paris. This tournament has always been the hardest for me to win, so I am very emotional right now."

I was thinking about this statement and thought that this could be shots fired against Nadal maybe? Perhaps my assumption is wrong, but I believe there could be some truth to it. But Nadal's record of winning the Grand Slam in RG 14 times can only be broken if human beings life expectancy will increase! Cheesy

There are players who aren't even on the tour for 14 years and he wins the GS title 14 times...

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Quote from: Minecache on June 12, 2023, 05:19:36 AM

It is actually sad to see all the players of a generation getting old and retiring almost at the same period of time. It was certainly a great win from Novak Djokovic. Obviously, it could have been a final between Djokovic vs Nadal. That could have made things really memorable for the fans. The final was actually not that bad. Of course, it was a little one sided. But I think we all kind of expected this outcome. Congratulations to Djokovic.

Djokovic has become the tennis player with the most Grand Slam titles and surpassed his rival Nadal.
I can already judge that Djokovic is indeed the greatest tennis player of all time and is the only penis who has made history with the most titles than any other tennis player.

If it becomes a final between Djokovic vs Nadal I still believe Djokovic will come out as the champion even though he is quite old but his game performance remains the same not decreasing one bit.

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