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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 11:39:51 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

These type allegations are not new, but mostly these happened in teams events or sometime happen in these events, but we never have any solid proof from any party about this like sometime back we have news about William sister's father he was also involved in this, but this was just because both sisters were in competitions, and then they have done few tricks but now having things like these are rare because most of the players know if they won then surely they are going to have big prize and honor which is more important than these things.

And as you mention it's not happening at highest level because these players never like things like these, and they know they could be in trouble as well, so just few players can do but not at top just lower or middle level.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 01:16:06 PM

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

Also used google translate to read this, but I have the same impression as you that they did it at the beginning stages of their career. They are a couple of more fiat bookies that I know, that pay out when a player forfeits during the match.

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I never fully understand tennis season. They start on clay, and then you get the French open. after that you have the grass part and you get Wimbledon. And when that is over, they will now play clay tennis again, and then participate in the US open where the surface is hard. That's a weird combination when you think about it, isn't it? Or could it be because there are simply few jobs with that hard surface? Maybe some players don't like it at all to switch surfaces like this. Van Rijthoven unfortunately lost last week, I hope Wimbledon and Rosmalen were not a coincidence for him.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 11:39:51 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

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Quote from: vennali on July 15, 2022, 06:50:05 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on July 15, 2022, 06:03:30 AM

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Maybe not Thiem but Murray has been pretty consistent to his ability. One thing that separates him from the rest is the elite mentality. Even though he breaks down and gets tough on himself, he will still try until the last point. Like Nadal, but a notch lower. Its going to be a tough match against Bublik though. Who's very talented but then again, mentally weak. If Murray could stretch the match long enough, he might be able to break him.

I totally agree with you on this.
What separated the big three, and initially the big four until Murray dropped out due to numerous injuries, from other tennis players was precisely great mental strength and self-confidence, and a fight to the end.
The very fact that Murray managed to win 3 GS and be an Olympic winner during the time of the big three speaks a lot about his tennis greatness.
Murray unfortunately lost to Bublik, but we all know he won't give up and will come back Cheesy

He is a great fighter and never gives up. Many others would have given up tennis long ago in his place.

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Quote from: Ratash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:37 PM

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

With how Isner is serving it was expected that we have at least one tie break in the match but didnt expect all 3 sets to go into a tie break. Also Bubliks form is getting better and better we might even see him in top 10 by the end of this year

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

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Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

Quote from: Cnut237 on July 15, 2022, 06:03:30 AM

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Now that you mentioned it, I've not once I recall placing a bet on Murray. Thiem used to be on my tickets though, more for value than anything else, but like you say, the value quickly becomes a coin toss -- then you only want to make sure you're getting 2/1 and up for them.

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Quote from: Ratash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:37 PM

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

Yeah, that will be a dream for bettors here, specially the Over beat if those 3 sets went into a tie break.

So it will be Isner vs Cressy in the semifinals and then Bublik vs Kubler. All rank in this tournament except Kubler. I'm liking the case for Isner though to win this tournament. I think him and Bublik will be great to see in the finals, although Cressy is the slight favorite against Isner. But it make a good case to beat on Isner ML at 2.03.

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Quote from: Ratash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:37 PM

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

that's if he reached the final, I think kubler has a chance to win against Bublik who can play completely differently from a match to another, a safer bet would be Kubler to win a set.

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What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

Now age factor is also having impact on these players as most chances Federer is having no chance to fight back and play again because he is almost forty and this is time for him to announces retirement which could be the best honor for him because staying in hope of playing again with these injuries is not reality.

Nadal and Djokovic can go ahead for some more time but most chances new generation players can give them challenges which are good for the game, but inner politics is now also having some bad impact on game with Djokovic is going to lose second Gran Slam for not having vaccine and Medvedev is already face exit from Wimbledon due to Russia, Ukraine conflict which is never been fair for these sports persons.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 15, 2022, 06:03:30 AM

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Maybe not Thiem but Murray has been pretty consistent to his ability. One thing that separates him from the rest is the elite mentality. Even though he breaks down and gets tough on himself, he will still try until the last point. Like Nadal, but a notch lower. Its going to be a tough match against Bublik though. Who's very talented but then again, mentally weak. If Murray could stretch the match long enough, he might be able to break him.

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Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

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Yeah, I haven't look at this tournaments after the GS, perhaps the excitement just stop or me just taking a break as I'm not feeling very well this couple of days.

But looking at the Sweden Mens Single, some familiar names Baez vs Thiem and Baez is the favorite at 1.47.

Rublev vs Djere as well, this is a intriguing matchup, so lets see, maybe just throw some sats and enjoy the game if I have time to watch it live.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 14, 2022, 08:52:58 PM

Quote from: Trofo on July 14, 2022, 05:33:14 PM

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

That injury destroyed him for mow. Thiem is in the same situation as Murray just cant get back to that elite level like he was. He lost 10+ games in a row and that cannot happen to a grand slam winner. Murray at least after injury won some matches and is doing the maximum at this moment. But Thiem finally got his wins

I don't think we can compere them, Murray is much older and he had full hip replacement surgery. Artificial hip just can't do everything he was used to be doing. He said it himself, he has muscle memory of doing stuff certain way and that simply does not work any more.

Not sure what was the problem with Thiem, but as far as I know, he did not have anything that serious. It is more of a case of lost form/confidence than actual physical handicap.

Probably is, maybe he lost his confidence and the mentality to win a game after his injury. Again this separates the big 3 form the rest, all of them come from big injuries late in their career but able to get back and win a grand slam. Thiem on the other hand is still very young and yet can't get over the hurdle of getting into a winning form and forget about his injury and come strong.

Did not watch the match but Thiem got a nice win yesterday. You don't win against Bautista Agut ever if you are not quite close to your maximum. He is one of those players that does not gift anything and you have to earn every point. Maybe we will se better performances from Thiem now. I certainly hope so, since we could use a player like him in top 10 to make it a bit more enjoyable to watch.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 14, 2022, 02:23:18 PM

Quote from: aoluain on July 14, 2022, 01:59:19 PM

Is anyone betting on the Tennis is Newport USA? Andy Murray is in the quarter finals
and faces Bublik tomorrow.

I generally follow tennis fairly closely, but I often seem to lose interest a bit straight after slams. I've been half following Newark, but not betting on it, no. Was surprised to see FAA going out, which does leave Murray's half a little open... but I'm not sure how far he'll get, it's the consecutive matches in a short space of time that's tough for him.

Yea I know, its like an anti-climax when the GS finishes. I've done a few half hearted
bets on Newport to no avail. I wanted to make a bet on either Murray to win or a handicap
on Bublik but both are dodgy bets I think. I never bet for or against Bublik, he is very
unpredictable and yes the more matches Murray plays the more beatable he becomes.

I have Cerundolo to beat Karatsev in Sweden, again the matches there are potential
close affairs so hard for me to bet.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 14, 2022, 05:33:14 PM

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

That injury destroyed him for mow. Thiem is in the same situation as Murray just cant get back to that elite level like he was. He lost 10+ games in a row and that cannot happen to a grand slam winner. Murray at least after injury won some matches and is doing the maximum at this moment. But Thiem finally got his wins

I don't think we can compere them, Murray is much older and he had full hip replacement surgery. Artificial hip just can't do everything he was used to be doing. He said it himself, he has muscle memory of doing stuff certain way and that simply does not work any more.

Not sure what was the problem with Thiem, but as far as I know, he did not have anything that serious. It is more of a case of lost form/confidence than actual physical handicap.

Probably is, maybe he lost his confidence and the mentality to win a game after his injury. Again this separates the big 3 form the rest, all of them come from big injuries late in their career but able to get back and win a grand slam. Thiem on the other hand is still very young and yet can't get over the hurdle of getting into a winning form and forget about his injury and come strong.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 14, 2022, 05:33:14 PM

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

That injury destroyed him for mow. Thiem is in the same situation as Murray just cant get back to that elite level like he was. He lost 10+ games in a row and that cannot happen to a grand slam winner. Murray at least after injury won some matches and is doing the maximum at this moment. But Thiem finally got his wins

I don't think we can compere them, Murray is much older and he had full hip replacement surgery. Artificial hip just can't do everything he was used to be doing. He said it himself, he has muscle memory of doing stuff certain way and that simply does not work any more.

Not sure what was the problem with Thiem, but as far as I know, he did not have anything that serious. It is more of a case of lost form/confidence than actual physical handicap.

The age factor and the injury have kept Andy Murray out of form to give wins here and there. With Dominic Thiem, he's just 28 years of age. As said he himself have lost his confidence. Slowly it can recover. After today's win Thiem seems to be more energetic to make a win against the young player Sebastian Baez.

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