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Quote from: Joca97 on July 14, 2022, 03:28:39 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

That injury destroyed him for mow. Thiem is in the same situation as Murray just cant get back to that elite level like he was. He lost 10+ games in a row and that cannot happen to a grand slam winner. Murray at least after injury won some matches and is doing the maximum at this moment. But Thiem finally got his wins

I don't think we can compere them, Murray is much older and he had full hip replacement surgery. Artificial hip just can't do everything he was used to be doing. He said it himself, he has muscle memory of doing stuff certain way and that simply does not work any more.

Not sure what was the problem with Thiem, but as far as I know, he did not have anything that serious. It is more of a case of lost form/confidence than actual physical handicap.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 14, 2022, 02:42:17 PM

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

That injury destroyed him for mow. Thiem is in the same situation as Murray just cant get back to that elite level like he was. He lost 10+ games in a row and that cannot happen to a grand slam winner. Murray at least after injury won some matches and is doing the maximum at this moment. But Thiem finally got his wins

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It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

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Quote from: Joca97 on July 14, 2022, 12:59:26 PM

Djokovic could have gotten a paper easily in Serbia that he was vaccinated but he has his standards and dosent want to be fake. He is against covid since day one and will be probobly until the last day. So he wont ever get vaccinated so we hope that the US will allow him to play.

although technically possible, beyond its standards, I find such a solution somewhat improbable. falsifying a document is always a risk! and a player of his caliber has too many eyes on him and is practically able to bill as much as a medium-sized company (with dozens of people who manage to live thanks to his results Roll Eyes

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Quote from: aoluain on July 14, 2022, 01:59:19 PM

Is anyone betting on the Tennis is Newport USA? Andy Murray is in the quarter finals
and faces Bublik tomorrow.

I generally follow tennis fairly closely, but I often seem to lose interest a bit straight after slams. I've been half following Newark, but not betting on it, no. Was surprised to see FAA going out, which does leave Murray's half a little open... but I'm not sure how far he'll get, it's the consecutive matches in a short space of time that's tough for him.

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Quote from: Joca97 on July 14, 2022, 12:59:26 PM

Quote from: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 04:49:13 PM

America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

Djokovic could have gotten a paper easily in Serbia that he was vaccinated but he has his standards and dosent want to be fake. He is against covid since day one and will be probobly until the last day. So he wont ever get vaccinated so we hope that the US will allow him to play.

He is t going to get vaccinated, if he hasnt got vaccinated after all the issues and hassle
by now he never will.

Is anyone betting on the Tennis is Newport USA? Andy Murray is in the quarter finals
and faces Bublik tomorrow.

Or the Sweden open? Rublev, Thiem, Carreno Busta and Schwartzman through to the
quarters there.

Schwartzman plays Carreno Busta, Thiem plays Baez and Rublev plays Djere, all close
matches I think. Cerundolo plays Karatsev and Cerundolo beat Ruud yesterday.

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Quote from: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 04:49:13 PM

America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

Djokovic could have gotten a paper easily in Serbia that he was vaccinated but he has his standards and dosent want to be fake. He is against covid since day one and will be probobly until the last day. So he wont ever get vaccinated so we hope that the US will allow him to play.

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Quote from: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 04:49:13 PM

America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

It's the other way around, he has fame and he is a known figure in sports, so if by chance he will get a special treatment (which I think he won't) there could be someone that will claim that the US Open is somewhat biased.

And for sure Djokovic must have admit his case already that he won't be playing in the US Open this year and it seems that Tennis is one of the hardest sport that is being hit by the war between Russia and Ukraine.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 02:48:33 PM

It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

Surely these all are frustrating things for Tennis fans as now they are unable to watch all stars in one tournament with restrictions are tightened for covid19 cases and Ukraine, Russia conflict is now also having his serious problems with these things now few players are not available in all Grand Slams and sports authorities are not going to have any soft policies for having things move for positive solution.

Now in the USA we are going to have only players those take their doses for this pandemic and Djokovic is not interested, so he is going to be not allowed and then again in Australian Open still have their strict policy about this as well even we all know things are completely changed, but politics is having not positive movements for anyone.

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America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 02:48:33 PM

It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

Yea its strange, COVID still at this stage is causing problems in Tennis and Russia
is creating problems too in Tennis.

Thats a good point actually that the French open was the only slam where there were no
restrictions and yea COVID is still around but not as potent and Russia are not going to
pull out of Ukraine too soon, 2023 will be as it is now in terms of Tennis tournaments.

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It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

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Quote from: casperBGD on July 13, 2022, 01:07:42 PM

agree, he is an American, and he can enter the country unvaccinated, if you are not American, it is simply not allowed
although, plenty of time for that to be changed, depend on current situation with Covid, as it seems now, numbers will go up, but not sure if that will be before November, or later

nevertheless, Djokovic is probably preparing as it will be allowed for him to play, but as in Miami and Indianapolis, probably not try to enter USA without permission

I doubt that the USA is gonna change the rules anytime soon. They already loosened up last month by not requiring anymore a negative covid test, but the vaccine will stay mandatory for foreigners. It is the choice of Djokovic to not get vaccinated, so he need to live with the consequences of that if it means he will not be able to play the US Open.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 05:30:45 AM

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I don't think ranking comes into it, the fact is that he's American, and there are already plenty of unvaccinated Americans in America, the rule is that unvaccinated foreigners can't enter the country.

agree, he is an American, and he can enter the country unvaccinated, if you are not American, it is simply not allowed
although, plenty of time for that to be changed, depend on current situation with Covid, as it seems now, numbers will go up, but not sure if that will be before November, or later

nevertheless, Djokovic is probably preparing as it will be allowed for him to play, but as in Miami and Indianapolis, probably not try to enter USA without permission

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 13, 2022, 03:38:38 AM

Yeah, better accept for better or worst that Djokovic will not be in the US Open and so it will open the doors for other players to claim this grand slam. And there could be more rank player that can miss the tournament because of covid restrictions and other reasons.

Although there is a US player that is not vaccinated but can play in the US Open.

https://twitter.com/TennysSandgren/status/1537498249715716096

But I guess he is not a top rank player.

I don't think ranking comes into it, the fact is that he's American, and there are already plenty of unvaccinated Americans in America, the rule is that unvaccinated foreigners can't enter the country.
I think the US is well aware of the chaos in Australia back in January, and so they are making their rules crystal clear, so there's no room for misunderstanding. Whether or not people agree with their decisions, I think we can all agree that being clear about it and removing any element of doubt is absolutely the best thing they can do.

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The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

Ah no, he isnt going to get vaccinated, especially now after going so far without and
missing the AO and also now when the virus is less potent than before.

Also like so many have said its hard to see the US giving an exemption or lifting their ban
on unvaccinated.

Yeah, better accept for better or worst that Djokovic will not be in the US Open and so it will open the doors for other players to claim this grand slam. And there could be more rank player that can miss the tournament because of covid restrictions and other reasons.

Although there is a US player that is not vaccinated but can play in the US Open.

https://twitter.com/TennysSandgren/status/1537498249715716096

But I guess he is not a top rank player.

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It seems very clear that Djokovic will not play at the US Open. But another player is doing everything that he can play. After Alexander Zverev injury at the French Open, he is doing everything he can to play at the US Open. With a bit of luck he might even make it to the ATP tournament in Hamburg next week.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 12, 2022, 09:52:35 PM

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

Ah no, he isnt going to get vaccinated, especially now after going so far without and
missing the AO and also now when the virus is less potent than before.

Also like so many have said its hard to see the US giving an exemption or lifting their ban
on unvaccinated.

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

Sure thing The USA government is never been going to change their policy for one person and specially when this person is going to break law which is implemented for safety of many others so with current situation most chances he is not going to play this Grand Slam as we watch in Australia.

Even too many sports persons and media shout about him, but the authorities were strict about their policy, and they not allow him same going to happen here he is going to lose this mega event just because of having no Covid19 vaccine. Most chances he is not going to change his stance about vaccine and never have this, so with this all he is down and out.

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2022, 04:22:26 AM

Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

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