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Quote from: püsür on July 18, 2022, 03:25:34 PM

The final match did not go to the fifth set, but as I predicted, Djokovic opened late and lost the first set. After that, he put his weight on the game and always managed to do the right thing in the important breaking moments of the match that went head-to-head. Kyrgios's arguing with the audience and arguing with the referee caused a loss of concentration. I've never seen players doing this take advantage of themselves. It was a dream tournament for Kyrgios, straight to the final without playing Nadal but experience prevailed. He cannot yet match Djokovic's experience and game finishes. Still very admirable though.

It is the first time ever that Kyrgrios managed to reach so far in a grandslam, so hopefully he can repeat that. He played a very good tournament but it is a pity that he didn't won. He just needs to get his head straight and maintain his focus because he can easily go crazy again on small things.

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The final match did not go to the fifth set, but as I predicted, Djokovic opened late and lost the first set. After that, he put his weight on the game and always managed to do the right thing in the important breaking moments of the match that went head-to-head. Kyrgios's arguing with the audience and arguing with the referee caused a loss of concentration. I've never seen players doing this take advantage of themselves. It was a dream tournament for Kyrgios, straight to the final without playing Nadal but experience prevailed. He cannot yet match Djokovic's experience and game finishes. Still very admirable though.

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Quote from: aoluain on July 18, 2022, 01:02:23 PM

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Quote from: aoluain on July 18, 2022, 01:11:07 AM

Hamburg is on this week and Alcaraz is playing tomorrow, I wonder can he commence
his winning form from before Wimbledon?

Yes, he will play against Nicola Kuhn from Germany. That will probably be a very quick win.
Tomorrow Basilashvili will also play against Karatsev. That will certainly be more interesting. I do not dare to make a prediction here. Both can win the match.

Tomorrow and Wednesday are supposed to be very hot in Hamburg. Up to over 40°C. We should take that into account when betting.

The odds are suggesting its going to be close, maybe a handicap bet on Basilashvilli might
be a consideration +4.5 @ 1.3 on Rollbit.

Basilashvilli this year has dissapointed, he didnt carry his in form momentum into 2022 he hasnt
really featured anywhere IMO. So yea hard to bet on that one.

Basilashvili is so inconsistent, and I noticed a big drop in Karatsev's performance lately, this one is tough to bet on, I would personally avoid it, however in the same tournament Carreno Busta will be playing against the Italian Nardi, I think it's better to bet on carreno busta to win in straight sets, the odds are not bad @1.57

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 18, 2022, 03:23:23 AM

Quote from: aoluain on July 18, 2022, 01:11:07 AM

Hamburg is on this week and Alcaraz is playing tomorrow, I wonder can he commence
his winning form from before Wimbledon?

Yes, he will play against Nicola Kuhn from Germany. That will probably be a very quick win.
Tomorrow Basilashvili will also play against Karatsev. That will certainly be more interesting. I do not dare to make a prediction here. Both can win the match.

Tomorrow and Wednesday are supposed to be very hot in Hamburg. Up to over 40°C. We should take that into account when betting.

The odds are suggesting its going to be close, maybe a handicap bet on Basilashvilli might
be a consideration +4.5 @ 1.3 on Rollbit.

Basilashvilli this year has dissapointed, he didnt carry his in form momentum into 2022 he hasnt
really featured anywhere IMO. So yea hard to bet on that one.

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It seems that newport tournament didn't disapoint that final was really cool and competitive a two sets to one victory for cressy which was not a surprise it could've gone either way both players had a great performance in this tournament and the winner was decided with the tie break in the third set, this game couldn't be more close.

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Quote from: aoluain on July 18, 2022, 01:11:07 AM

Hamburg is on this week and Alcaraz is playing tomorrow, I wonder can he commence
his winning form from before Wimbledon?

Yes, he will play against Nicola Kuhn from Germany. That will probably be a very quick win.
Tomorrow Basilashvili will also play against Karatsev. That will certainly be more interesting. I do not dare to make a prediction here. Both can win the match.

Tomorrow and Wednesday are supposed to be very hot in Hamburg. Up to over 40°C. We should take that into account when betting.

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Quote from: Ratash on July 17, 2022, 11:43:26 AM

The bastad tournament had so many surprises we thought that rublev and Ruud could make it far but the two finalists were able to beat them, cerundolo vs baez was not what i expected i thought it would be more competitive but cerundolo was far superior especially in the second set and he managed to beat baez 2 0 congrats to him for this well deserved win.

It was an all Argentinian final. I took Cerundolo on handicap and I bet on him a
few times through the tournament.

In the tournament in Newport, U.S, Cressy beat Bublik. I didnt bet on that one, I was
really indecisive.

Hamburg is on this week and Alcaraz is playing tomorrow, I wonder can he commence
his winning form from before Wimbledon?

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 17, 2022, 02:04:05 AM

Quote from: Rabi3 on July 16, 2022, 06:53:44 PM

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

I agree with your point but still I am feeling if players from top 50 are involved in match fixing then still it's not going to have any serious impact on this game because they are already having exit door in early rounds so mostly in game like tennis is having no serious trouble with this match fixing because if you are having top 50 players could be rich then surely they deserve because they are having some good hard work for this position, and they will never do things like this.

With this all we recently have too many big names in different sports are enjoying gambling and betting, but they are not doing any fixing or related to this which is also having no impact on this game with this all I am feeling it's just having very low ratio for match fixing in this Tennis.

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The bastad tournament had so many surprises we thought that rublev and Ruud could make it far but the two finalists were able to beat them, cerundolo vs baez was not what i expected i thought it would be more competitive but cerundolo was far superior especially in the second set and he managed to beat baez 2 0 congrats to him for this well deserved win.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 17, 2022, 02:04:05 AM

Quote from: Rabi3 on July 16, 2022, 06:53:44 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

Just coming back to the thread today and match fixing in Tennis has never registered with
me at all. Naively I thought that the likes of Horse and Greyhound racing along with Soccer
where the typical sports where fixing went on.

@Daniel91 your example of the different ranked players on the tour making a living and
being wealthy actually makes sense. Eventhough some of the big tournaments have big prize
funds they get hoovered up by the tip players 99% of the time.

Of course if its possible that some players with the knowhow and connections will try and
earn money in that way.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 17, 2022, 02:04:05 AM

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

People keep running for the money and those who are in this business. Are the big rollers.
Not only tenis but every sport is expensive. And no player at the beginning can afford an international trip without sponsor. So where does the money come from?
why do sponsors like to invest on players?

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Quote from: Rabi3 on July 16, 2022, 06:53:44 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 16, 2022, 01:49:46 PM

I never fully understand tennis season. They start on clay, and then you get the French open. after that you have the grass part and you get Wimbledon. And when that is over, they will now play clay tennis again, and then participate in the US open where the surface is hard. That's a weird combination when you think about it, isn't it? Or could it be because there are simply few jobs with that hard surface? Maybe some players don't like it at all to switch surfaces like this. Van Rijthoven unfortunately lost last week, I hope Wimbledon and Rosmalen were not a coincidence for him.

Well its not that wierd and first they start with hard court on australian open. After that ends clay season start and then is french open once that ends grass season starts and Wimbledon and what is sad is that it is the shortest of all courts. Then we go back to hard court again and thats it. But this without points on Wimbledon was just crazy

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 11:39:51 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

These type allegations are not new, but mostly these happened in teams events or sometime happen in these events, but we never have any solid proof from any party about this like sometime back we have news about William sister's father he was also involved in this, but this was just because both sisters were in competitions, and then they have done few tricks but now having things like these are rare because most of the players know if they won then surely they are going to have big prize and honor which is more important than these things.

And as you mention it's not happening at highest level because these players never like things like these, and they know they could be in trouble as well, so just few players can do but not at top just lower or middle level.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 01:16:06 PM

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

Also used google translate to read this, but I have the same impression as you that they did it at the beginning stages of their career. They are a couple of more fiat bookies that I know, that pay out when a player forfeits during the match.

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I never fully understand tennis season. They start on clay, and then you get the French open. after that you have the grass part and you get Wimbledon. And when that is over, they will now play clay tennis again, and then participate in the US open where the surface is hard. That's a weird combination when you think about it, isn't it? Or could it be because there are simply few jobs with that hard surface? Maybe some players don't like it at all to switch surfaces like this. Van Rijthoven unfortunately lost last week, I hope Wimbledon and Rosmalen were not a coincidence for him.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 11:39:51 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 16, 2022, 05:36:50 AM

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

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Quote from: vennali on July 15, 2022, 06:50:05 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on July 15, 2022, 06:03:30 AM

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Maybe not Thiem but Murray has been pretty consistent to his ability. One thing that separates him from the rest is the elite mentality. Even though he breaks down and gets tough on himself, he will still try until the last point. Like Nadal, but a notch lower. Its going to be a tough match against Bublik though. Who's very talented but then again, mentally weak. If Murray could stretch the match long enough, he might be able to break him.

I totally agree with you on this.
What separated the big three, and initially the big four until Murray dropped out due to numerous injuries, from other tennis players was precisely great mental strength and self-confidence, and a fight to the end.
The very fact that Murray managed to win 3 GS and be an Olympic winner during the time of the big three speaks a lot about his tennis greatness.
Murray unfortunately lost to Bublik, but we all know he won't give up and will come back Cheesy

He is a great fighter and never gives up. Many others would have given up tennis long ago in his place.

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