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Quote from: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 04:49:13 PM

America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

Djokovic could have gotten a paper easily in Serbia that he was vaccinated but he has his standards and dosent want to be fake. He is against covid since day one and will be probobly until the last day. So he wont ever get vaccinated so we hope that the US will allow him to play.

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Quote from: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 04:49:13 PM

America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

It's the other way around, he has fame and he is a known figure in sports, so if by chance he will get a special treatment (which I think he won't) there could be someone that will claim that the US Open is somewhat biased.

And for sure Djokovic must have admit his case already that he won't be playing in the US Open this year and it seems that Tennis is one of the hardest sport that is being hit by the war between Russia and Ukraine.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 02:48:33 PM

It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

Surely these all are frustrating things for Tennis fans as now they are unable to watch all stars in one tournament with restrictions are tightened for covid19 cases and Ukraine, Russia conflict is now also having his serious problems with these things now few players are not available in all Grand Slams and sports authorities are not going to have any soft policies for having things move for positive solution.

Now in the USA we are going to have only players those take their doses for this pandemic and Djokovic is not interested, so he is going to be not allowed and then again in Australian Open still have their strict policy about this as well even we all know things are completely changed, but politics is having not positive movements for anyone.

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America have got its own policy in covid prevention measures. The thing is being with fame, Djokovic could've dealt this in a very smooth manner than struggling this hard. Because, in my country people have got covid vaccination certificate but they aren't vaccinated. Djokovic could've done it, if so such a trouble of missing few important matches might've not taken place.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 02:48:33 PM

It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

Yea its strange, COVID still at this stage is causing problems in Tennis and Russia
is creating problems too in Tennis.

Thats a good point actually that the French open was the only slam where there were no
restrictions and yea COVID is still around but not as potent and Russia are not going to
pull out of Ukraine too soon, 2023 will be as it is now in terms of Tennis tournaments.

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It's a weird situation as Covid is obviously going to continue for a while, so likely no Djokovic at next year's AO either. And I can't see Russia pulling out of Ukraine or Wimbledon backing down any time soon, so a decent chance of no Medvedev at Wimbledon 23... which leaves the French Open as the only slam where all the top players can play and the field isn't weakened in some way. It's quite bizarre.

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Quote from: casperBGD on July 13, 2022, 01:07:42 PM

agree, he is an American, and he can enter the country unvaccinated, if you are not American, it is simply not allowed
although, plenty of time for that to be changed, depend on current situation with Covid, as it seems now, numbers will go up, but not sure if that will be before November, or later

nevertheless, Djokovic is probably preparing as it will be allowed for him to play, but as in Miami and Indianapolis, probably not try to enter USA without permission

I doubt that the USA is gonna change the rules anytime soon. They already loosened up last month by not requiring anymore a negative covid test, but the vaccine will stay mandatory for foreigners. It is the choice of Djokovic to not get vaccinated, so he need to live with the consequences of that if it means he will not be able to play the US Open.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 13, 2022, 05:30:45 AM

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I don't think ranking comes into it, the fact is that he's American, and there are already plenty of unvaccinated Americans in America, the rule is that unvaccinated foreigners can't enter the country.

agree, he is an American, and he can enter the country unvaccinated, if you are not American, it is simply not allowed
although, plenty of time for that to be changed, depend on current situation with Covid, as it seems now, numbers will go up, but not sure if that will be before November, or later

nevertheless, Djokovic is probably preparing as it will be allowed for him to play, but as in Miami and Indianapolis, probably not try to enter USA without permission

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 13, 2022, 03:38:38 AM

Yeah, better accept for better or worst that Djokovic will not be in the US Open and so it will open the doors for other players to claim this grand slam. And there could be more rank player that can miss the tournament because of covid restrictions and other reasons.

Although there is a US player that is not vaccinated but can play in the US Open.

https://twitter.com/TennysSandgren/status/1537498249715716096

But I guess he is not a top rank player.

I don't think ranking comes into it, the fact is that he's American, and there are already plenty of unvaccinated Americans in America, the rule is that unvaccinated foreigners can't enter the country.
I think the US is well aware of the chaos in Australia back in January, and so they are making their rules crystal clear, so there's no room for misunderstanding. Whether or not people agree with their decisions, I think we can all agree that being clear about it and removing any element of doubt is absolutely the best thing they can do.

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

Ah no, he isnt going to get vaccinated, especially now after going so far without and
missing the AO and also now when the virus is less potent than before.

Also like so many have said its hard to see the US giving an exemption or lifting their ban
on unvaccinated.

Yeah, better accept for better or worst that Djokovic will not be in the US Open and so it will open the doors for other players to claim this grand slam. And there could be more rank player that can miss the tournament because of covid restrictions and other reasons.

Although there is a US player that is not vaccinated but can play in the US Open.

https://twitter.com/TennysSandgren/status/1537498249715716096

But I guess he is not a top rank player.

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It seems very clear that Djokovic will not play at the US Open. But another player is doing everything that he can play. After Alexander Zverev injury at the French Open, he is doing everything he can to play at the US Open. With a bit of luck he might even make it to the ATP tournament in Hamburg next week.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 12, 2022, 09:52:35 PM

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

Ah no, he isnt going to get vaccinated, especially now after going so far without and
missing the AO and also now when the virus is less potent than before.

Also like so many have said its hard to see the US giving an exemption or lifting their ban
on unvaccinated.

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

Sure thing The USA government is never been going to change their policy for one person and specially when this person is going to break law which is implemented for safety of many others so with current situation most chances he is not going to play this Grand Slam as we watch in Australia.

Even too many sports persons and media shout about him, but the authorities were strict about their policy, and they not allow him same going to happen here he is going to lose this mega event just because of having no Covid19 vaccine. Most chances he is not going to change his stance about vaccine and never have this, so with this all he is down and out.

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2022, 04:22:26 AM

Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

Unlikely though, I don't think US will give him the exemption he needed to enter just to compete. And I think it still remains, no vaccine no entry, unless they have a new policy.

As for him getting vaccinated? no, he has stood his ground same with some sports athlete like Kyrie Irving of the Nets in the NBA. But he might have to suffer the consequences, or the rest of the athletes who doesn't want to get vaccinated.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 12, 2022, 05:08:02 AM

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Furthermore I too lament the fact that Nadal vs Djokovic finals didn’t happen, but unless the USA government changes their rule at the last moment we won’t see him irrespective of the rumours that continue to float in the media.

will be interesting to see draws on future tournaments now when Djokovic is at position 7 on ATP list, you would want to miss him in you draw party even if you are top seed
but, ATP has their right to omit points for tournaments, although would be more fair to players (if they wanted to protect players and punish Wimbledon) to omit GS status to Wimbledon

this way, with points, only players are punished

US open has open policy, but entering USA is an issue without vaccine

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 12, 2022, 01:44:26 AM

Quote from: babygun on July 11, 2022, 03:56:27 PM

Quote from: Trofo on July 11, 2022, 10:26:56 AM

It could be, I admit I am not reading about it that much but I did read something like he is allowed to play on US Open, but he is not allowed to enter USA, so sort of comes to the same thing in the end. Maybe those are old news at the moment but there is still a lot of time before US Open so it could become a reality again.

Anyway, however you put it, rankings are really unfair for Djoković this year.

I travel for work quite a lot of times to the USA. The current rules are that you don't need a negative covid test to enter the USA but you need to be fully vaccinated before you could enter. So as Djokovic is not vaccinated and if he doesn't have a medical exemption, than he will not be allowed to enter the USA.

Given the fact that the US Open organisers will be well aware off the fiasco around Djokovic's attempted entry to Australia this year, it seems unlikely they'll make a last minute concession to let him in, and open themselves up to legal challenges, etc. I'd be very surprised if he plays there.

Quote from: Cnut237 on July 12, 2022, 04:38:00 AM

Yeah, there's zero chance of him getting vaccinated. He reached the top of the game in large part due to drastically restricting the types of food he eats, he won't put anything into his body that he thinks might pollute it.

It's a shame he won't be in the US, I'd like to see a rematch with Medvedev. We've been denied a few big matches this year for one reason or another. Nadal vs Djokovic in the Wimbledon final would have been another good one.

I don’t think that Djokovic and his team will try to pull of the same stunt they did in Australia, because USA laws are stricture and he could be heavily fined or even jailed for intentionally breaking the law and creating a ruckus. Furthermore I too lament the fact that Nadal vs Djokovic finals didn’t happen, but unless the USA government changes their rule at the last moment we won’t see him irrespective of the rumours that continue to float in the media.

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Yeah, there's zero chance of him getting vaccinated. He reached the top of the game in large part due to drastically restricting the types of food he eats, he won't put anything into his body that he thinks might pollute it.

It's a shame he won't be in the US, I'd like to see a rematch with Medvedev. We've been denied a few big matches this year for one reason or another. Nadal vs Djokovic in the Wimbledon final would have been another good one.

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 12, 2022, 03:24:52 AM

The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

I don't think he will get vaccinated at this point. He has been reluctant from the scratch and avoided at all cost any dialogue on that argument.
I think it's more plausible an exemption from USA rules but also in this case it's something impossible... let's see another drama like AUS? mmm I hope no Roll Eyes

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The rule for entry will certainly not be changed. So if he is not vaccinated he will not be able to enter and therefore not be able to play. Maybe if he will get vaccinated soon, he would be able to. But there are a few weeks between the day of vaccination and full protection and I do not know what the rules are about that in the USA.

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Quote from: babygun on July 11, 2022, 03:56:27 PM

Quote from: Trofo on July 11, 2022, 10:26:56 AM

It could be, I admit I am not reading about it that much but I did read something like he is allowed to play on US Open, but he is not allowed to enter USA, so sort of comes to the same thing in the end. Maybe those are old news at the moment but there is still a lot of time before US Open so it could become a reality again.

Anyway, however you put it, rankings are really unfair for Djoković this year.

I travel for work quite a lot of times to the USA. The current rules are that you don't need a negative covid test to enter the USA but you need to be fully vaccinated before you could enter. So as Djokovic is not vaccinated and if he doesn't have a medical exemption, than he will not be allowed to enter the USA.

Given the fact that the US Open organisers will be well aware of the fiasco around Djokovic's attempted entry to Australia this year, it seems unlikely they'll make a last minute concession to let him in, and open themselves up to legal challenges, etc. I'd be very surprised if he plays there.

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