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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 16, 2022, 08:34:53 AM

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it's understandable if you see a vaccine as something that pollutes your body.
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well... Covid19 doesn't pollute your body? Long-covid isn't also another issue?
I don't want enter in a diatribe about Vaccine good/bad or it's working or not working. Plus this is not the right topic to talk about it.

However Covid19 has been something very hard to fight also for young athletes.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-newcastle-uniteds-allan-saint-maximin-and-jamaal-lascelles-suffering-long-term-effects-from-coronavirus-12170082

I don't know how a smart player (that is like an industry) with a smart staff, could fall victim of some controversial theories.... Plus he set a bad example at a global level.... sports not deserve such examples/lies.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on January 16, 2022, 06:45:46 AM

Djokovic [...] refuses to be vaccinated. [...] What a senseless waste of tremendous tennis talent because of his own attitudes and thinking.

I find this point to be quite interesting. I think his refusal to get vaccinated is a part of the reason he is such a good player. Back in the old days, when he was first coming through as a top talent, he wasn't a world-beater. But he changed his diet completely in order to optimise his physical performance. He cut out gluten, and he cut out dairy as well, and he reduced his sugar intake to very low levels. If you think about it, this is a very restrictive diet, and he has stuck to it rigidly. He absolutely will not eat any food that reduces the perfect efficiency of the machine that is his body.

So in this context, if you are that obsessed with perfect physical performance, it's understandable if you see a vaccine as something that pollutes your body. And if you are young and hyper-fit, as Djokovic is, and you know that if you catch the virus you are only likely to get mild symptoms... then I can understand why he doesn't want the vaccine.

I don't agree with his decision at all, and I think he hasn't behaved well in this instance... but I can sort of understand why he thinks the way he does.

Here's what Djokovic eats in a day

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 16, 2022, 02:16:28 AM

Breaking news... Djokovic's appeal has been rejected and he'll be deported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60014059

That was his final appeal, so it's definitely happening now. He officially "poses a threat to public health", and will be deported.

No-one comes out of this looking good.

Well what a sh*it-show this have been basically from all sides evolved. Everyone that was involved in this looked pretty bad. Djokovic because he wanted to sue his way into the tournament even though he isn't vaccinated and does not want to be vaccinated and of course also Australia. First they grant him an exception, then he is denied to entry the country and has to stay in a hotel. Then a jury says Djokovic can enter the country, then the relevant Australian minister still denies Djokovic to enter the country and then Djokovic fails with his last appeal. The press in Serbia is outraged now.
At least this topic is done now and everyone can concentrate on the tournament that is starting in a few hours.

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Honestly, I think everyone is glad that this drama with Djokovic is over and now, finally, we can all enjoy tennis.
Depending on the development of the situation with Covid and the new Covid rules in France, the UK and the USA, it could easily happen that Djokovic will be banned from participating in all 4 GS tournaments if he refuses to be vaccinated.
What a senseless waste of tremendous tennis talent because of his own attitudes and thinking.
Djokovic had a great opportunity to become the greatest tennis player of all time and now the ''Björn Borg'' case could be repeated, that the tennis player at the peak of his career abruptly interrupted his magnificent tennis career, for no good reason.
Djokovic is getting older every year and he is nearing the end of his great tennis career and new young tennis players are already coming and they are ready to take over the tennis top from Djokovic.
If Djokovic loses this year because of his hard-line views on vaccination, I don't think there will be a new chance for him to take over the top tennis and he will end his tennis career in a shameful way.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 16, 2022, 04:12:12 AM

Quote from: Trofo on January 16, 2022, 03:23:01 AM

Will probably drop by later with some of my selections if there is anything good.

I've not seen anything that looks hugely appealing so far.
One thing I do think is going to happen in the women's, where I think Raducanu will lose, but the odds aren't amazing and so not really worth taking the risk. I do think she'll have a better year than many are predicting, but she's currently coming back from a break after contracting Covid last month. If she hadn't lost 6-0 6-1 last week, the odds on her losing in the AO might be more appealing. But as I'm from the UK, I would feel bad betting against her anyway.

For tomorrow I see a few, I have a small bet on Harris against Vukic.
There is also:
Nakashima 3.25 - 1.35 Berrettini
Norrie 1.57 - 2.43 Korda

Kenin 2.55 - 1.53 Keys (can madison carry her form from the win at Adelaide?)

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Quote from: Daniel91 on January 15, 2022, 07:54:21 AM

I love Murray as a tennis player but his return to the top of tennis will be very difficult, if not impossible.

Yes, it's difficult to see him challenging for slams again.
He was good in patches last season, and in a one-off match he was capable of playing with the top ranked players. It was just that his body couldn't maintain it, and it seemed like every good victory was followed by a disappointing defeat as his body struggled to play consecutive matches in a short space of time. That is where this week has been encouraging, he's beaten some good players and been able to keep going, round after round.

So he may not challenge for slams again, but he is certainly getting closer to that level, even if it may be impossible to regain it exactly.

I have to say that Andy Murray has left his golden age way behind in the past and I highly doubt that he will be able to challenge others in tier-1 tennis right now.

The thing is that the body won't be able to cope up with sports after 30 or 32. You lose pace, power, and in some cases the mentality to win or the hunger to win also declines. The same thing goes for Murray. I don't think that he will be able to win another tournament again. What he can now do is play for his enjoyment and when the time is right, retire.

Andy is favourite to get past Basilashvili on Tuesday, He has a chance for sure.
He made some good wins against higher ranked players last year and will be
pumped up to better his performance this year.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 15, 2022, 08:06:35 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on January 15, 2022, 07:54:21 AM

I love Murray as a tennis player but his return to the top of tennis will be very difficult, if not impossible.

Yes, it's difficult to see him challenging for slams again.
He was good in patches last season, and in a one-off match he was capable of playing with the top ranked players. It was just that his body couldn't maintain it, and it seemed like every good victory was followed by a disappointing defeat as his body struggled to play consecutive matches in a short space of time. That is where this week has been encouraging, he's beaten some good players and been able to keep going, round after round.

So he may not challenge for slams again, but he is certainly getting closer to that level, even if it may be impossible to regain it exactly.

I have to say that Andy Murray has left his golden age way behind in the past and I highly doubt that he will be able to challenge others in tier-1 tennis right now.

The thing is that the body won't be able to cope up with sports after 30 or 32. You lose pace, power, and in some cases the mentality to win or the hunger to win also declines. The same thing goes for Murray. I don't think that he will be able to win another tournament again. What he can now do is play for his enjoyment and when the time is right, retire.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 16, 2022, 02:16:28 AM

Breaking news... Djokovic's appeal has been rejected and he'll be deported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60014059

That was his final appeal, so it's definitely happening now. He officially "poses a threat to public health", and will be deported.

No-one comes out of this looking good.

This is such a shame for him. I get that he appealed the first time. But doing it for the 2nd time made all things totally crummy for him. I myself have lost my respect for him not gonna lie. A public figure as big as him should not be showing such crummy behavior. He shouldn't have entered the country in the first place. I get that maybe the govt made a blunder about the papers or something? but when he knew that the Australian govt is not letting unvaccinated people in, he shouldn't have gone in the first place.

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Quote from: Trofo on January 16, 2022, 03:23:01 AM

Will probably drop by later with some of my selections if there is anything good.

I've not seen anything that looks hugely appealing so far.
One thing I do think is going to happen in the women's, where I think Raducanu will lose, but the odds aren't amazing and so not really worth taking the risk. I do think she'll have a better year than many are predicting, but she's currently coming back from a break after contracting Covid last month. If she hadn't lost 6-0 6-1 last week, the odds on her losing in the AO might be more appealing. But as I'm from the UK, I would feel bad betting against her anyway.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 16, 2022, 02:16:28 AM

Breaking news... Djokovic's appeal has been rejected and he'll be deported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60014059

That was his final appeal, so it's definitely happening now. He officially "poses a threat to public health", and will be deported.

No-one comes out of this looking good.

What a drama and series of bad decisions. Hope now it is all settled and we can actually start to talk about tennis and enjoy some good matches. AO is stating tonight for us Europeans so lots of matches to scout and make some bets. Will probably drop by later with some of my selections if there is anything good. Hate odds at BO5 matches, they are always so low on ML and handicaps have a way to go wrong in them as well. Players often leave one set without fight and conserve their energy for the rest of the match.

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Breaking news... Djokovic's appeal has been rejected and he'll be deported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60014059

That was his final appeal, so it's definitely happening now. He officially "poses a threat to public health", and will be deported.

No-one comes out of this looking good.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 15, 2022, 08:06:35 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on January 15, 2022, 07:54:21 AM

I love Murray as a tennis player but his return to the top of tennis will be very difficult, if not impossible.

Yes, it's difficult to see him challenging for slams again.
He was good in patches last season, and in a one-off match he was capable of playing with the top ranked players. It was just that his body couldn't maintain it, and it seemed like every good victory was followed by a disappointing defeat as his body struggled to play consecutive matches in a short space of time. That is where this week has been encouraging, he's beaten some good players and been able to keep going, round after round.

So he may not challenge for slams again, but he is certainly getting closer to that level, even if it may be impossible to regain it exactly.

Yes, he is already past his prime and I don't see him winning any slams, maybe a couple of small tournaments that he can compete and go to reach quarter-finals the most.

Maybe his body is not really build to take the gruelling tennis tournaments with different surfaces.

And one injury suddenly change the complexion of his career. But it was really good to see him at his prime against the big 3.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on January 15, 2022, 07:54:21 AM

I love Murray as a tennis player but his return to the top of tennis will be very difficult, if not impossible.

Yes, it's difficult to see him challenging for slams again.
He was good in patches last season, and in a one-off match he was capable of playing with the top ranked players. It was just that his body couldn't maintain it, and it seemed like every good victory was followed by a disappointing defeat as his body struggled to play consecutive matches in a short space of time. That is where this week has been encouraging, he's beaten some good players and been able to keep going, round after round.

So he may not challenge for slams again, but he is certainly getting closer to that level, even if it may be impossible to regain it exactly.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 15, 2022, 02:20:11 AM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 14, 2022, 01:18:02 PM

Things have already become very dirty in terms of both Djokovic and the Australian Govt. In my opinion, he should not be appealing this time as he is also to be blamed for this as he broke the rules and he should be punished. Even if he appeals and by any chance even wins the case, I will actually lose my respect for him which I had over the years for him as a sportsman. I think he should just return home and apologize for his deeds.

Yeah, I feel the same. As I said earlier, his behaviour in this instance really casts a light on his behaviour during matches, and the convenient "injuries" he gets at key moments. He's showing his personality to the whole world here, the way he is trying to bend the rules in his own favour, or just pretend the rules don't apply to him. The arrogance here is astonishing. And I think for most people, if they are refused entry to a country, and the public are vocal in saying they don't want them to come... then you just don't come. You don't take it to court, lose the case, and then continue the legal fight... actually fighting the country itself for a right to break their rules. I think a lot of people have lost all respect for him.

It's more disappointing as this is coming from a huge public figure like Djokovic. Lots of people make him their idol and they look up to him but he let everyone down. I heard that his visa was taken away by the govt and rumors are that he might appeal again. If he actually does, this is gonna get really obscene in front of everyone. He himself broke the rules, entered the country, the court detained him, he appealed, won the case, the govt took his visa, he might appeal again. This has become a shit drama show.

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It is really a pity that these days almost everyone writes and talks about Djokovic instead of mentioning other tennis players and the tournament itself.
The tournament in Australia already has a huge reputation damage from this affair, and I can see from the comments that other tennis players have had enough of this story about Djokovic.
As for those normal tennis news ... Grin

''Andy Murray loses Sydney final to Aslan Karatsev''
''Andy Murray's bid for a first ATP title since October 2019 ended in a straight-set defeat by Russian top seed Aslan Karatsev in the Sydney Classic final.
The Briton, whose last win in Antwerp came nine months after hip surgery, lost 6-3 6-3 to the world number 20.''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/60007026

I love Murray as a tennis player but his return to the top of tennis will be very difficult, if not impossible.

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Quote from: dittoup on January 14, 2022, 11:44:28 PM

Today's hearing in Djokovic's appeal has been moved from today until tomorrow 9.30 local time.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/live-novak-djokovic-federal-court-appeal-set-for-sunday-after-immigration-minister-cancels-tennis-star-s-visa-ahead-of-2022-australian-open-20220115-p59ofk.html

He is now also back in the same detention hotel where he was detained earlier.

One more day wait to see the end of this saga.

How messy can things get!! I just want this to be over as soon as possible. As I don't know about anyone, but I myself am disgusted by Djokovic and his behavior and his arrogance. A public figure like him should not be this much arrogant towards rules. That too in a time when the Omicron variant is spreading like fire all around. I also think he should be sent home right now.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 14, 2022, 01:18:02 PM

Things have already become very dirty in terms of both Djokovic and the Australian Govt. In my opinion, he should not be appealing this time as he is also to be blamed for this as he broke the rules and he should be punished. Even if he appeals and by any chance even wins the case, I will actually lose my respect for him which I had over the years for him as a sportsman. I think he should just return home and apologize for his deeds.

Yeah, I feel the same. As I said earlier, his behaviour in this instance really casts a light on his behaviour during matches, and the convenient "injuries" he gets at key moments. He's showing his personality to the whole world here, the way he is trying to bend the rules in his own favour, or just pretend the rules don't apply to him. The arrogance here is astonishing. And I think for most people, if they are refused entry to a country, and the public are vocal in saying they don't want them to come... then you just don't come. You don't take it to court, lose the case, and then continue the legal fight... actually fighting the country itself for a right to break their rules. I think a lot of people have lost all respect for him.

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Today's hearing in Djokovic's appeal has been moved from today until tomorrow 9.30 local time.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/live-novak-djokovic-federal-court-appeal-set-for-sunday-after-immigration-minister-cancels-tennis-star-s-visa-ahead-of-2022-australian-open-20220115-p59ofk.html

He is now also back in the same detention hotel where he was detained earlier.

One more day wait to see the end of this saga.

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Quote from: Slow death on January 14, 2022, 03:53:30 AM

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Yeah, he can still appeal though. Not sure that he will - after everything that happened in the last few days.
According to Australian laws - taking his visa comes with a 3-year entry ban. He can try to fight it on ground that his entry is for the benefit to Australia.

Rublev will take his place in the draw so the draw will be balanced after all.

from what I hear on TV he will appeal this decision, but TV commentators said he has little chance of winning the case, in short he is in a bad situation. maybe it would be better if he didn't resort to avoid losing and seeing his name with criticism in the media, I'm not a jurist but I doubt he could appeal and reverse this situation. it would be better for him to just conform

Things have already become very dirty in terms of both Djokovic and the Australian Govt. In my opinion, he should not be appealing this time as he is also to be blamed for this as he broke the rules and he should be punished. Even if he appeals and by any chance even wins the case, I will actually lose my respect for him which I had over the years for him as a sportsman. I think he should just return home and apologize for his deeds.

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Quote from: aoluain on January 14, 2022, 02:28:55 AM

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Breaking news... Australia have cancelled Djokovic's visa again!
I think this is the right decision. He should never have got a visa in the first place as he didn't meet the criteria, he tried to cheat and lie his way to getting one. His apology or explanation (or whatever it was) the other day really sealed it for me, and removed any empathy I might have felt for his situation. It was so obviously manipulative, and the way he tried to cast himself as a well-meaning innocent and throw all the blame on one of his team was just pathetic.
The whole thing doesn't reflect well on Djokovic, and the way it's been handled doesn't reflect well on Australia. But it's the right decision.
... is there time for another legal appeal before the tournament starts?

Ah you beat me to it !!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59991762
The events surrounding his travel and COVID results is just too vague, the incorrect filling
of the immigration papers is also something unbelievable and also I wonder if what he said
in the interview at the airport with border force was different to his statement from a
couple of days ago?
The situation may have been handled a bit badly but I think the situation was complicated
given that the AO and state or Victoria were involved, The Border Force did their job initially.
I think this decision is aligned with popular opinion.

I think that this is the best decision considering what the situation is. I'm not saying that letting him play would be a bad decision, but this decision is less worse than letting him play.

The govt, AO Federation, and Djokovic all are to blame in this case as no one is innocent. Everyone thought that they'd get away by lying or taking the illegal way but when the news came to the limelight and the public got enraged, everyone was busy saving their own ASS.

I think Djokovic shouldn't have gotten this special treatment from them in the first place and I'd say a good decision made by them.

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