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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 14, 2022, 03:32:16 AM

Yeah, he can still appeal though. Not sure that he will - after everything that happened in the last few days.
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Rublev will take his place in the draw so the draw will be balanced after all.

I am quite sure he will appeal and fight the ban with everything in his disposal. He came to far already to give up unless he really forged that positive test and they offer him some kind of the deal of not investigating things further.

Nice for Rublev, could be the kick he needs to make a big result in AO. He certainly has the game on the good days. Problem is when his shots don't exactly go as planned and he has no plan B.

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Quote from: Joca97 on January 14, 2022, 08:52:35 AM

I still dont understand why most of the people want to kick Djokovic of Australia and think is the right decision. If they told him he couldnt come to AO without vaccine he wouldnt. But they gaved him a medical exemption and to a few more players. This is all Australias fault.If they said from the start how it was we wouldnt have this problem now.

Australia have certainly handled this really badly. But the issue is that legally, he had to either be vaccinated or have a genuine medical reason why he couldn't get vaccinated. He had neither of those things, and knew it. Australia were stupid to grant him a visa, they should have anticipated the problems it would cause when he arrived. But equally, despite getting the visa, Djokovic was surely well aware that he didn't meet the criteria. He's far from blameless in this.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 14, 2022, 02:19:01 AM

Breaking news... Australia have cancelled Djokovic's visa again!

I think this is the right decision. He should never have got a visa in the first place as he didn't meet the criteria, he tried to cheat and lie his way to getting one. His apology or explanation (or whatever it was) the other day really sealed it for me, and removed any empathy I might have felt for his situation. It was so obviously manipulative, and the way he tried to cast himself as a well-meaning innocent and throw all the blame on one of his team was just pathetic.

The whole thing doesn't reflect well on Djokovic, and the way it's been handled doesn't reflect well on Australia. But it's the right decision.

... is there time for another legal appeal before the tournament starts?

Here we go again with the cancelled visa for Djokovic. I still dont understand why most of the people want to kick Djokovic of Australia and think is the right decision. If they told him he couldnt come to AO without vaccine he wouldnt. But they gaved him a medical exemption and to a few more players. This is all Australias fault.If they said from the start how it was we wouldnt have this problem now.

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Quote from: aoluain on January 14, 2022, 02:39:13 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on January 14, 2022, 02:30:32 AM

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The events surrounding his travel and COVID results is just too vague, the incorrect filling
of the immigration papers is also something unbelievable and also I wonder if what he said
in the interview at the airport with border force was different to his statement from a
couple of days ago?

He's tried to lie his way in, and then lied to cover it all up.

It does lend weight to the theory that whenever he appears to get "injured" at critical moments in a match, and throws his opponent's concentration out, and then miraculously makes an instant 100% recovery moments later, that it's all an act. More lies and deception, just to get what he wants.

He's one of the greatest tennis players ever, arguably the greatest... he shouldn't have to stoop to these tricks to get into a country, and he should have to do the same in matches, either.

I would liken it to the cheating which has poisoned soccer, feigning injury, fans would
probably call it gamesmanship. Prove your greatness with your skill, not your acting abilities.

He is definitely a controversial figure, his fake injuries, his bouncing the ball 15 times
before every serve, his disqualification from the US GS, setting up an independent
players body with minimal support and now this, it all had to come to a head, unfortunately
in a big way like this which really affects his future (short term)

But this is will probably go down in the history books as probably a cheating scandal on his part and will add to Djokovic being a controversial figure in tennis and could be talk about for many years and could affect his name for the discussions of greatest tennis player of all time.

Unless he really gets to beat the record of Federer, but still his name will be synonymous with kind of scandal in AO 2022.

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I don't think an appeal would work, the AO starts on Monday, it seems very unlikely he'd get a hearing before then. And even if he did, I don't see how he'd win the case.

As for the 3 year ban thing, I don't think that will apply, they can just waive it so he can try again next year.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 14, 2022, 03:32:16 AM

Yeah, he can still appeal though. Not sure that he will - after everything that happened in the last few days.
According to Australian laws - taking his visa comes with a 3-year entry ban. He can try to fight it on ground that his entry is for the benefit to Australia.

Rublev will take his place in the draw so the draw will be balanced after all.

from what I hear on TV he will appeal this decision, but TV commentators said he has little chance of winning the case, in short he is in a bad situation. maybe it would be better if he didn't resort to avoid losing and seeing his name with criticism in the media, I'm not a jurist but I doubt he could appeal and reverse this situation. it would be better for him to just conform

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Yeah, he can still appeal though. Not sure that he will - after everything that happened in the last few days.
According to Australian laws - taking his visa comes with a 3-year entry ban. He can try to fight it on ground that his entry is for the benefit to Australia.

Rublev will take his place in the draw so the draw will be balanced after all.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 14, 2022, 02:30:32 AM

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The events surrounding his travel and COVID results is just too vague, the incorrect filling
of the immigration papers is also something unbelievable and also I wonder if what he said
in the interview at the airport with border force was different to his statement from a
couple of days ago?

He's tried to lie his way in, and then lied to cover it all up.

It does lend weight to the theory that whenever he appears to get "injured" at critical moments in a match, and throws his opponent's concentration out, and then miraculously makes an instant 100% recovery moments later, that it's all an act. More lies and deception, just to get what he wants.

He's one of the greatest tennis players ever, arguably the greatest... he shouldn't have to stoop to these tricks to get into a country, and he should have to do the same in matches, either.

I would liken it to the cheating which has poisoned soccer, feigning injury, fans would
probably call it gamesmanship. Prove your greatness with your skill, not your acting abilities.

He is definitely a controversial figure, his fake injuries, his bouncing the ball 15 times
before every serve, his disqualification from the US GS, setting up an independent
players body with minimal support and now this, it all had to come to a head, unfortunately
in a big way like this which really affects his future (short term)

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The events surrounding his travel and COVID results is just too vague, the incorrect filling
of the immigration papers is also something unbelievable and also I wonder if what he said
in the interview at the airport with border force was different to his statement from a
couple of days ago?

He's tried to lie his way in, and then lied to cover it all up.

It does lend weight to the theory that whenever he appears to get "injured" at critical moments in a match, and throws his opponent's concentration out, and then miraculously makes an instant 100% recovery moments later, that it's all an act. More lies and deception, just to get what he wants.

He's one of the greatest tennis players ever, arguably the greatest... he shouldn't have to stoop to these tricks to get into a country, and he shouldn't have to do the same in matches, either.

Quote from: aoluain on January 14, 2022, 02:28:55 AM

I think this decision is aligned with popular opinion.

It is, yes, but it's also aligned with the law. Popular opinion was against him because he's seen to have tried to bypass the law.

... I suppose the next question is: what happens when it's time for the French Open? The French president said just the other day that he wanted to make things difficult for the unvaccinated. This story may continue in another country.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on January 14, 2022, 02:19:01 AM

Breaking news... Australia have cancelled Djokovic's visa again!

I think this is the right decision. He should never have got a visa in the first place as he didn't meet the criteria, he tried to cheat and lie his way to getting one. His apology or explanation (or whatever it was) the other day really sealed it for me, and removed any empathy I might have felt for his situation. It was so obviously manipulative, and the way he tried to cast himself as a well-meaning innocent and throw all the blame on one of his team was just pathetic.

The whole thing doesn't reflect well on Djokovic, and the way it's been handled doesn't reflect well on Australia. But it's the right decision.

... is there time for another legal appeal before the tournament starts?

Ah you beat me to it !!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59991762

The events surrounding his travel and COVID results is just too vague, the incorrect filling
of the immigration papers is also something unbelievable and also I wonder if what he said
in the interview at the airport with border force was different to his statement from a
couple of days ago?

The situation may have been handled a bit badly but I think the situation was complicated
given that the AO and state or Victoria were involved, The Border Force did their job initially.

I think this decision is aligned with popular opinion.

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Breaking news... Australia have cancelled Djokovic's visa again!

I think this is the right decision. He should never have got a visa in the first place as he didn't meet the criteria, he tried to cheat and lie his way to getting one. His apology or explanation (or whatever it was) the other day really sealed it for me, and removed any empathy I might have felt for his situation. It was so obviously manipulative, and the way he tried to cast himself as a well-meaning innocent and throw all the blame on one of his team was just pathetic.

The whole thing doesn't reflect well on Djokovic, and the way it's been handled doesn't reflect well on Australia. But it's the right decision.

... is there time for another legal appeal before the tournament starts?

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 13, 2022, 03:49:21 AM

I know there are some rules regarding the draw (when it's supposed to come out), but considering the general situation around Đoković I feel the draw should have been postponed for a day or two as well.

Đoković is a top seed player, if he doesn't play the whole draw will be totally unbalanced. Example - if Đoković is eventually deported, Berrettini doesn't have a top 15 player other than Cameron Norrie in the draw until the semifinal.

Well the draw could have waited a couple of hours but nothing has changed yet and as far as we know currently Djokovic will play on the Australian open. I hope he plays and wins this tournament it will be really historic especaily with this being his 21st grand slam title if he wins

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Quote from: dittoup on January 13, 2022, 01:48:34 AM

The draw is ready: https://ausopen.com/draws#!mens-singles

Medvedev is not going to be much happy with his draw. Likely to face Kyrgios in 2nd round. Followed by Hubert in 3rd round. Its going to cost early in a long tournament.
Zverev must be extremely happy with his first 3 matches. First Altmaier then most likely followed by Millman in a 2nd and L.Harris in 3rd.
Djokovic starts against fellow Serbian Kecmanovic. Most likely followed by T.Paul in 2nd and Sonego in 3rd. Optimal draw for his part.
Nadal is going to have some really hard matches throughout the tournament as he starts with Giron. Most likely followed by Kokkinakis in 2nd, and Khachanov in 3rd.

I don't think that both Kyrgios and Hubert will be a threat to Medvedev at this point, Kyrgios is not that active although he will have the home court advantage although I've read that he has covid too.

(https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/kyrgios-hopeful-australian-open-tomic-anticipates-joining-him-covid-19-positive)

So let's see what will be the final result of the draw, @cryptofrka draw a interesting point in his post, they should have delayed it until the Djokovic case is close.

^The draw seems quite interesting. Zverev seems like he got a comparatively easier matchup and I hope he will do good in all of them.

I also don't think that Kyrgios and Hubert will post that much of a threat to him, Medvedev. If he's calm and composed and plays by the books, I don't see a reason for him to struggle against them.

I'm hoping Djokovic also will go a long way in this tournament but after all those controversies, will he be mentally stable to have the winning mentality like before?

With all those things happening in these few days, I think it might somehow affect Djokovic in his matches. But also he's a professional and he will try his best to not let these things affect him in-game.

I think Djokovic has been tested many times throughout his career so I doubt that he will be affected mentally with all the drama surrounding him in the AO.

And if ever he will play in this tournament and never got the love from the crowd it's understandable. But I doubt that it will have a negative effect on him. On the contrary, athletes like Djokovic thrive in this kind of environment and they love when the crowd is against them.

We for sure that is the case with Medvedev, he can seem to feed off the negativity
of the audience and seems to have better mental control, he used to quite wayward,
slamming the racquet etc.

On the other side there is Djokovic who does seem to get distracted/annoyed with
the audience at times even if there is a slight disruption, and can lose it too, look at
his disqualification in 2019 ^{i think} after hitting the ball into a line umpire.

You just wouldnt see Federer or Nadal doing that ^{those two being the best comparisons}
and Medvedev just serves through the distraction.

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It is a shame the turn that events took, in fact very embarrassing, the Australian government had information and far from being what I mentioned, it turns out to be guilty, it is worth saying then the evidence is irrefutable. So the individual, the citizen that should be, I fail, then blaming third parties is not the best, accepting the error is to make known to all those involved that before being a tennis star, he is a person who is tempted to human error.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on January 13, 2022, 05:07:54 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on January 13, 2022, 04:01:04 AM

Quote from: dittoup on January 13, 2022, 01:48:34 AM

The draw is ready: https://ausopen.com/draws#!mens-singles

Medvedev is not going to be much happy with his draw. Likely to face Kyrgios in 2nd round. Followed by Hubert in 3rd round. Its going to cost early in a long tournament.
Zverev must be extremely happy with his first 3 matches. First Altmaier then most likely followed by Millman in a 2nd and L.Harris in 3rd.
Djokovic starts against fellow Serbian Kecmanovic. Most likely followed by T.Paul in 2nd and Sonego in 3rd. Optimal draw for his part.
Nadal is going to have some really hard matches throughout the tournament as he starts with Giron. Most likely followed by Kokkinakis in 2nd, and Khachanov in 3rd.

I don't think that both Kyrgios and Hubert will be a threat to Medvedev at this point, Kyrgios is not that active although he will have the home court advantage although I've read that he has covid too.

(https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/kyrgios-hopeful-australian-open-tomic-anticipates-joining-him-covid-19-positive)

So let's see what will be the final result of the draw, @cryptofrka draw a interesting point in his post, they should have delayed it until the Djokovic case is close.

^The draw seems quite interesting. Zverev seems like he got a comparatively easier matchup and I hope he will do good in all of them.

I also don't think that Kyrgios and Hubert will post that much of a threat to him, Medvedev. If he's calm and composed and plays by the books, I don't see a reason for him to struggle against them.

I'm hoping Djokovic also will go a long way in this tournament but after all those controversies, will he be mentally stable to have the winning mentality like before?

With all those things happening in these few days, I think it might somehow affect Djokovic in his matches. But also he's a professional and he will try his best to not let these things affect him in-game.

I think Djokovic has been tested many times throughout his career so I doubt that he will be affected mentally with all the drama surrounding him in the AO.

And if ever he will play in this tournament and never got the love from the crowd it's understandable. But I doubt that it will have a negative effect on him. On the contrary, athletes like Djokovic thrive in this kind of environment and they love when the crowd is against them.

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Quote from: aoluain on January 13, 2022, 05:25:09 AM

I also think Medvedev will be ok with these match up's, This is his favourite surface
"hard court" so I really hope there is no upsets for him early on in the tournament.

On the ladies side and back to Raducanu, she has drawn a tough opener against Sloane
Stephens, who can be unpredictable performance wise. Would you bet on Raducanu
on this match? tough call IMO.

Let's see on the Stephens vs Raducanu match, yeah, both are very inconsistent so who knows as this is really a tough call. Maybe it's better to wait and do live betting and see who has the good form that game.

For Medvedev's draw, I do agree, I think he has past that already and I doubt that he can get an axe early and be upset by someone who he has beaten in the past.

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I also think Medvedev will be ok with these match up's, This is his favourite surface
"hard court" so I really hope there is no upsets for him early on in the tournament.

On the ladies side and back to Raducanu, she has drawn a tough opener against Sloane
Stephens, who can be unpredictable performance wise. Would you bet on Raducanu
on this match? tough call IMO.

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 13, 2022, 04:01:04 AM

Quote from: dittoup on January 13, 2022, 01:48:34 AM

The draw is ready: https://ausopen.com/draws#!mens-singles

Medvedev is not going to be much happy with his draw. Likely to face Kyrgios in 2nd round. Followed by Hubert in 3rd round. Its going to cost early in a long tournament.
Zverev must be extremely happy with his first 3 matches. First Altmaier then most likely followed by Millman in a 2nd and L.Harris in 3rd.
Djokovic starts against fellow Serbian Kecmanovic. Most likely followed by T.Paul in 2nd and Sonego in 3rd. Optimal draw for his part.
Nadal is going to have some really hard matches throughout the tournament as he starts with Giron. Most likely followed by Kokkinakis in 2nd, and Khachanov in 3rd.

I don't think that both Kyrgios and Hubert will be a threat to Medvedev at this point, Kyrgios is not that active although he will have the home court advantage although I've read that he has covid too.

(https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/kyrgios-hopeful-australian-open-tomic-anticipates-joining-him-covid-19-positive)

So let's see what will be the final result of the draw, @cryptofrka draw a interesting point in his post, they should have delayed it until the Djokovic case is close.

^The draw seems quite interesting. Zverev seems like he got a comparatively easier matchup and I hope he will do good in all of them.

I also don't think that Kyrgios and Hubert will post that much of a threat to him, Medvedev. If he's calm and composed and plays by the books, I don't see a reason for him to struggle against them.

I'm hoping Djokovic also will go a long way in this tournament but after all those controversies, will he be mentally stable to have the winning mentality like before?

With all those things happening in these few days, I think it might somehow affect Djokovic in his matches. But also he's a professional and he will try his best to not let these things affect him in-game.

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Quote from: dittoup on January 13, 2022, 01:48:34 AM

The draw is ready: https://ausopen.com/draws#!mens-singles

Medvedev is not going to be much happy with his draw. Likely to face Kyrgios in 2nd round. Followed by Hubert in 3rd round. Its going to cost early in a long tournament.
Zverev must be extremely happy with his first 3 matches. First Altmaier then most likely followed by Millman in a 2nd and L.Harris in 3rd.
Djokovic starts against fellow Serbian Kecmanovic. Most likely followed by T.Paul in 2nd and Sonego in 3rd. Optimal draw for his part.
Nadal is going to have some really hard matches throughout the tournament as he starts with Giron. Most likely followed by Kokkinakis in 2nd, and Khachanov in 3rd.

I don't think that both Kyrgios and Hubert will be a threat to Medvedev at this point, Kyrgios is not that active although he will have the home court advantage although I've read that he has covid too.

(https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/kyrgios-hopeful-australian-open-tomic-anticipates-joining-him-covid-19-positive)

So let's see what will be the final result of the draw, @cryptofrka draw a interesting point in his post, they should have delayed it until the Djokovic case is close.

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