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The rules are there to be used (and abused), I recon also that match officials will look at
what Tsitsipas is doing and potentially change the rules.
Its such a pity that he is losing some popularity, he has also been performing below par
IMO this year, matches he should be winning he is losing, I think he uses the extra breaks to
counter this....maybe?
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Phones are not allowed, but if he has a bath room break that took so long, so we can't see what he is doing there? Maybe he was given signals or instructions or not.
But it's a big momentum breaker, specially if his opponent is on the rally, as in his match against Murray. And he did it again vs Adrian Mannarino and the crowd are not pleased by it.
Tsitsipas is using all the tricks in the manual to win a match but he is not gaining any popularity with this (on the contrary). They should make some official rules that a bath room break can only take 3-5 minutes or something like that to avoid situations like this.
I am surprised that tsitsipas used such a dirty trick to win a match, i mean so far he is or was probably one of the most popular players of the circuit and basically got cheered on wherever he has played. Djokovic is knowing for taking "tactical pauses" whenever he feels like it, for example calling for the doctor even though he is not really injured, just to break the momentum of the opponent. The problem is, you can't really tell right there on the court if he really is injured or not because a pain in the ankle or something can not be diagnosed that way.
I also think a bath break should take not longer than 5 minutes at max. and if you are not back by then you should get a punishment.
Phones are not allowed, but if he has a bath room break that took so long, so we can't see what he is doing there? Maybe he was given signals or instructions or not.
But it's a big momentum breaker, specially if his opponent is on the rally, as in his match against Murray. And he did it again vs Adrian Mannarino and the crowd are not pleased by it.
Tsitsipas is using all the tricks in the manual to win a match but he is not gaining any popularity with this (on the contrary). They should make some official rules that a bath room break can only take 3-5 minutes or something like that to avoid situations like this.
And I think with his latest antics, bathroom break as oppose to injury break should be look upon.
For sure, he has getting the attention of the organization and yeah they would revise the rule regarding the bathroom break as Tsitsipas might be taking advantage of it.
Lots of players are now complaining, and it doesn't look good for Tsitsipas, as Andy said, he lost respect for him.
Phones are not allowed, but if he has a bath room break that took so long, so we can't see what he is doing there? Maybe he was given signals or instructions or not.
But it's a big momentum breaker, specially if his opponent is on the rally, as in his match against Murray. And he did it again vs Adrian Mannarino and the crowd are not pleased by it.
Tsitsipas is using all the tricks in the manual to win a match but he is not gaining any popularity with this (on the contrary). They should make some official rules that a bath room break can only take 3-5 minutes or something like that to avoid situations like this.
~snip
Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
cannot say that I like it, but as long as it is aligned with rules, it is ok
if he can have a phone, then it is allowed to use it? not sure about rules, but yeah, Djokovic is using that tactics very often, taking a break (usually medical) when things go down, and although it is maybe not "ideal fair play", it is aligned with rules
you can love it or hate it, but cannot forbid that behaviour
Phones are not allowed, but if he has a bath room break that took so long, so we can't see what he is doing there? Maybe he was given signals or instructions or not.
But it's a big momentum breaker, specially if his opponent is on the rally, as in his match against Murray. And he did it again vs Adrian Mannarino and the crowd are not pleased by it.
if he can have a phone, then it is allowed to use it?
No, he's not. You're not allowed to use your phone to receive coaching at a Grand Slam. Amusingly the most recent article I've found is Tsitsipas saying it should be allowed...
Djokovic is using that tactics very often, taking a break (usually medical) when things go down, and although it is maybe not "ideal fair play", it is aligned with rules
Yes, Djokovic is notorious for that. It drives me crazy to see him bend the rules like that in big matches, again and again. Whenever he is in trouble, there is a sudden dramatic "injury"... which then miraculously recovers instantly as soon as he wants to resume play. It is understandable when bad players do this, but immensely frustrating when you see players of the calibre of Djokovic (and to a lesser extent Tsitsipas) do it.
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Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
cannot say that I like it, but as long as it is aligned with rules, it is ok
if he can have a phone, then it is allowed to use it? not sure about rules, but yeah, Djokovic is using that tactics very often, taking a break (usually medical) when things go down, and although it is maybe not "ideal fair play", it is aligned with rules
you can love it or hate it, but cannot forbid that behaviour
Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
If it was just Murray complaining, I'd write it off as him just being frustrated... but some other players have come out to back up Murray on this. Notably Zverev, but also Raonic.
I don't know. Nothing can be proven, and I think a US player has come out in support of him, but it does seem a little suspicious.
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Zverev had his own run-in with Tsitsipas involving his lengthy comfort breaks in Cincinnati, and he stands by his allegations at the time that the Greek was getting coaching whilst off court.
“He’s gone for 10-plus minutes. His dad is texting on the phone. He comes out, and all of a sudden his tactic completely changed.
“It’s not just me but everybody saw it. The whole game plan changes,” he said.
“I’m like either it’s a very magical place he goes to or there is communication there.”
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/alexander-zverev-reopens-stefanos-tsitsipas-spat-following-us-open-controversy/“He’s gone for 10-plus minutes. His dad is texting on the phone. He comes out, and all of a sudden his tactic completely changed.
“It’s not just me but everybody saw it. The whole game plan changes,” he said.
“I’m like either it’s a very magical place he goes to or there is communication there.”
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“It's happening every match. It's not normal,” said Zverev, who beat American Sam Querrey 6-4, 7-5, 6-2 to begin his U.S. Open. “It happened to me in the French Open, to Novak (Djokovic) in the finals at the French Open. You know, I think in Hamburg against (Filip) Krajinovic he was complaining, against me in Cincinnati was ridiculous, and now here again. I think players are catching up on that.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2021/08/31/us-open-stefanos-tsitsipas-bathroom-breaks-questioned-players/5669946001/Quote
“Andy is right!” Milos Raonic, a Canadian who is missing the U.S. Open with a right leg injury, posted to Twitter on Monday night.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/sports/tennis/us-open-stefanos-tsitsipas-bathroom-andy-murray.html
Similar to what some teachers used to say about me in school, "has potential if only he would apply himself."
Nick is seriously talented but is frustrating to watch, if he thinks a game is a lost cause
he wont chase it. He must be a sponsors nightmare too, while he does draw attention
he really does his own thing.
That's the sad part of Kyrgrios. He has more talent than a lot of other players but most of the time, he doesn't really care and is mentally not stable. I still like to watch matches of him as it is entertaining
.Yeah, entertaining if he won the match, remember him and Nadal ha some sort of verbal jabs before?
Regarding Tsitsipas though, what do you guys think of him talking a bath room break for about 10 minutes? Specially his game against Murray, Andy said he lost respect for him because of that. And there are speculations that he is getting some coaching from his father through phone when he had a long bath room break?
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Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
usual for Djokovic to lose set, in early stages, in the end, he made +14
nevertheless, it should be good for next rounds, and he is still first favorite there, it is not just up to his form, it is a mental as well, and what other have to offer
if he continues to play as he can, he will win the tournament
De Minaur is out, which is surprise for me, expected more from him
Similar to what some teachers used to say about me in school, "has potential if only he would apply himself."
Nick is seriously talented but is frustrating to watch, if he thinks a game is a lost cause
he wont chase it. He must be a sponsors nightmare too, while he does draw attention
he really does his own thing.
That's the sad part of Kyrgrios. He has more talent than a lot of other players but most of the time, he doesn't really care and is mentally not stable. I still like to watch matches of him as it is entertaining
. ~snip
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
usual for Djokovic to lose set, in early stages, in the end, he made +14
nevertheless, it should be good for next rounds, and he is still first favorite there, it is not just up to his form, it is a mental as well, and what other have to offer
if he continues to play as he can, he will win the tournament
De Minaur is out, which is surprise for me, expected more from him
Alex has been inconsistent in the last couple of tournaments, so I'm not surprised by the results. And he face Fritz, who sometimes pull some upsets early and then exit on the next round, I guess Alex is just unlucky to face him in the first round.
Bautista-Agut vs Ruusuvuori next, this will be interesting, as Ruusuvuori was the champion last tournament Winston-Salem. I'm expecting a five set match here and over bet should be good.
Khachanov 1.46 v 2.75 Harris
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
And Harris beat Kachanov, good call.
I forgot that I have a bet on Schartzman vs Berankis @1.94 to cover -6.5 handicap and it's a win.
Lots of good and close match again that can go either way, just a matter on how you analyze the game.
Even the Tsitsipas vs Murray was unpredictable as well. Djokovic -10.5 @2.00 vs Rune, that seems to be very attractive.
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
That's what separates Djokovic from the rest, he always believes that he can win even though he lose that one precious set.
I dont fancy any matches in todays mens side other than Felix AA and I have a parlay on with Medvedev,
Rublev, Osaka and Krejcikova. I also have a good few bets on Jabeur, Muguruza, Azarenka,
Sabalenka and Kerber on the womens side.
Yeah, just like you in today's match the list doesn't really interest me to bet on, only bet in multibet on low odd such Medvedev, Ruble and ML on K. Anderson vs D. Schwartzman, Schwartzman win, Rublev, Osaka and Krejcikova. I also have a good few bets on Jabeur, Muguruza, Azarenka,
Sabalenka and Kerber on the womens side.
In women's, same as men's multibet on low odds to Sabalenka, Halep, Barty and Svitolina.
De Minaur is out, which is surprise for me, expected more from him
I think DeMinaur will win the match when He can win the third set, and I checked their H2H Fritz has never won against him, confidently chose ML on DeMinaur but in the 4th set Fritz ended it and He won. ~snip
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
usual for Djokovic to lose set, in early stages, in the end, he made +14
nevertheless, it should be good for next rounds, and he is still first favorite there, it is not just up to his form, it is a mental as well, and what other have to offer
if he continues to play as he can, he will win the tournament
De Minaur is out, which is surprise for me, expected more from him
Yes thats something to drop a set so early on in the tournament for Djokovic.
I dont fancy any matches in todays mens side other than Felix AA and I have a parlay on with Medvedev,
Rublev, Osaka and Krejcikova. I also have a good few bets on Jabeur, Muguruza, Azarenka,
Sabalenka and Kerber on the womens side.
And Harris beat Kachanov, good call.
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Yea, that was ... I wonder did @buwaytress get a bet on?
I dont fancy any matches in todays mens side other than Felix AA and I have a parlay on with Medvedev,
Rublev, Osaka and Krejcikova. I also have a good few bets on Jabeur, Muguruza, Azarenka,
Sabalenka and Kerber on the womens side.
Khachanov 1.46 v 2.75 Harris
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
And Harris beat Kachanov, good call.
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Yea, that was ... I wonder did @buwaytress get a bet on?
Khachanov 1.46 v 2.75 Harris
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
And Harris beat Kachanov, good call.
I forgot that I have a bet on Schartzman vs Berankis @1.94 to cover -6.5 handicap and it's a win.
Lots of good and close match again that can go either way, just a matter on how you analyze the game.
Even the Tsitsipas vs Murray was unpredictable as well. Djokovic -10.5 @2.00 vs Rune, that seems to be very attractive.
Djokovic dominated the first set with 6-1 but just lost the second set 6-7 not a big hit on -10.5 but Djokovic to even lose a set against Rune is just simple stunning.Still no emotions from Djokovic he belives that he will win this match for sure,he also just made a break in the third set.
Khachanov 1.46 v 2.75 Harris
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
And Harris beat Kachanov, good call.
I forgot that I have a bet on Schartzman vs Berankis @1.94 to cover -6.5 handicap and it's a win.
Lots of good and close match again that can go either way, just a matter on how you analyze the game.
Even the Tsitsipas vs Murray was unpredictable as well. Djokovic -10.5 @2.00 vs Rune, that seems to be very attractive.
Feeling sorry for Murray, his level of play yesterday would have been enough for win against 95% of players in the tournament. Just shows how much harder it is to get back once you lose your ranking and seed status.
just say that the way he played is not enough to beat the version of Tsitsipas. If he had a draw like in the lower rank, perhaps he can advanced next and see how it goes.
But he gave everything he can and Tsitsipas was almost on the brink after the 3rd, but he was able to gather himself in the last 2 and win the game.
But he gave everything he can and Tsitsipas was almost on the brink after the 3rd, but he was able to gather himself in the last 2 and win the game.
Murray certainly has the talent to beat Tsitsipas, and for a couple of sets he had the physical ability, too. But although he can still play almost at his best for a while, he can no longer do it over the full course of a 5 set match. I think Tsitsipas knew that the longer the match went on, the more likely it was he'd find a way back in... which is what happened.
Even if Murray had won, he'd not have been able to sustain that level physically for many more matches. Even if he played people outside the top 50 every round, after a few matches in quick succession he'd no longer have the physical strength to get through to the later rounds. But still, this match was a reminder of just how talented Murray is... if not for his career coinciding with the big three, he'd have won a lot more slams.
Kyrgios got hammered today by Bautista. Straight sets, no chance at all for a comeback.
I'd always pick Bautista in a match like this, they have such opposing playstyles and although he's way more talented, Kyrgios does not have the patience needed for players like Bautista. He will bore him all day, return the shots he needs to and play like a boring robot, making Kyrgios miss way more shots than usual.
Bottom line - I really don't like Kyrgios so I'm glad he's out.
I'd always pick Bautista in a match like this, they have such opposing playstyles and although he's way more talented, Kyrgios does not have the patience needed for players like Bautista. He will bore him all day, return the shots he needs to and play like a boring robot, making Kyrgios miss way more shots than usual.
Bottom line - I really don't like Kyrgios so I'm glad he's out.
Similar to what some teachers used to say about me in school, "has potential if only he would apply himself."
Nick is seriously talented but is frustrating to watch, if he thinks a game is a lost cause
he wont chase it. He must be a sponsors nightmare too, while he does draw attention
he really does his own thing.
Any tips for today boys? I've just done a probably-dumb bet against Nishikori -- not that I hope players are always injured, hate to hope that for an athlete, but he has had his off days and thinking this could be it. Trying to catch something live if I have time -- like Tsitsi when he was a set down against Murray yesterday was even 4/1 IIRC but the games today are too late for me to do anything proper.
Well my normal strategy is to bet on the favourite but I see a match today which
might change that strategy:
Khachanov 1.46 v 2.75 Harris
That should be a close match and I think Harris has a right chance to beat Khachanov.
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