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Quote from: Indamuck on July 18, 2019, 07:39:56 AM

Most people rank tennis players by Grand Slam titles so If Novak tops Roger's record he will be considered the greatest tennis player of all time by the majority.

12 of Nadal's 18 titles are on clay, people like to bring this up as some type of detriment to his legacy but I still think he shined enough on hard courts and grass to have a solid argument for the GOAT argument.

Don't get me wrong he has a great legacy in this sport however he just hasn't won enough Grand Slams on other surfaces. Yes its okay that he has made the finals many times on other surfaces but he wasn't good enough to win them matches and people don't remember the person coming second as it goes down as the person who won. Yes I agree he has played well enough on hard courts considering that is one surface he's body has trouble with but in recent times he has adapted and played well.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 18, 2019, 10:07:58 AM

What do you guys think about Federer, he already have 20 GS. Do you think he will manage to get one more or few?

He is still one of the best in the game but I don't think he will win another match against Djokovic. Djokovic is firmly inside his head as recent head to head suggests. Therefore, I am seeing Federer as probable semi-finalist in grand slams but not a winner. He is not getting any younger. Hopefully I am wrong and we will see him lift another grand slam.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 17, 2019, 01:54:44 PM

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I am not gambling these days (from last a week) and decided not to gamble anymore. But in my gambling career I never chased. I know if I go for chasing then I will lose more. I have seen a lot of people around me losing their hard earning money.

Taking about tennis, I missed this Wimbledon to see because of this World Cup cricket. Looking forward to the next major tournament.

What do you guys think about Federer, he already have 20 GS. Do you think he will manage to get one more or few?

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Most people rank tennis players by Grand Slam titles so If Novak tops Roger's record he will be considered the greatest tennis player of all time by the majority.

12 of Nadal's 18 titles are on clay, people like to bring this up as some type of detriment to his legacy but I still think he shined enough on hard courts and grass to have a solid argument for the GOAT argument.

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Quote from: vella85 on July 17, 2019, 05:49:07 PM

Yes I still rate Federer at the top and it is hard to compare the great players. There is one thing that for me outshines Federer when it comes to comparing him with Djokovic and that is that Djokovic has done this in an era where there have been the best players we have seen and he has beaten them all. Just think back to when Federer and Nadal were winning all their Grand Slams, they didn't really have much competition where as Djokovic has had to play and beat arguably the two best players ever and not once but on a number of occasions. We can also put Murray into the mix up there with Federer and Nadal so when we look at it, Djokovic has played and won in an era that is a lot tougher then when Federer and Nadal started to win their Grand Slams.

Don't get me wrong though, I still think Federer is one of the greatest players ever but when you look at Djokovic record and who he has beaten it just looks a lot better.

I totally understand your point. Competition has really step up in the last decade. Roger just caught Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi at the end of their career as compare to Djokovic who had to face a prime Nadal or Roger himself.

But if order to really settle the argument, if he can beat Roger's record (and I'm sure he will), then I think there is no doubt that he will surpass Roger's greatness.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 17, 2019, 01:54:44 PM

Quote from: vella85 on July 16, 2019, 05:42:45 PM

There is no doubt that Federer is the greatest of all time however we are seeing that Djokovic isn't very far behind him and I even rank Djokovic ahead of Nadal because Djokovic has won more Grand Slams on different surfaces where as Nadal has won all he's Grand Slams mostly on clay which in my opinion isn't a very good record. Yes he is the king of clay but it would look better if he won more Grand Slams on other surfaces like Djokovic and Federer.

If Djokovic continue his run and eventually past Federer with the most number of wins in a Grand Slam then no doubt we will have a discussions as to who is the GOAT of this general and others might consider him ahead of Federer if we are going to base on that criteria.

The strengths of both player in any surface is also a indication how great they really are as compare to Nadal's amazing run on clay specially on French open. But currently, for me it is still Federer, at the top of my list.

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Yes I still rate Federer at the top and it is hard to compare the great players. There is one thing that for me outshines Federer when it comes to comparing him with Djokovic and that is that Djokovic has done this in an era where there have been the best players we have seen and he has beaten them all. Just think back to when Federer and Nadal were winning all their Grand Slams, they didn't really have much competition where as Djokovic has had to play and beat arguably the two best players ever and not once but on a number of occasions. We can also put Murray into the mix up there with Federer and Nadal so when we look at it, Djokovic has played and won in an era that is a lot tougher then when Federer and Nadal started to win their Grand Slams.

Don't get me wrong though, I still think Federer is one of the greatest players ever but when you look at Djokovic record and who he has beaten it just looks a lot better.

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Quote from: vella85 on July 16, 2019, 05:42:45 PM

There is no doubt that Federer is the greatest of all time however we are seeing that Djokovic isn't very far behind him and I even rank Djokovic ahead of Nadal because Djokovic has won more Grand Slams on different surfaces where as Nadal has won all he's Grand Slams mostly on clay which in my opinion isn't a very good record. Yes he is the king of clay but it would look better if he won more Grand Slams on other surfaces like Djokovic and Federer.

I'm sure that Djokovic will eventually become the greatest tennis player in the history of tennis.
He is only 32 and surely can play on current high level next 4-5 years, enough to surpass all records from Federer and Nadal.
I think that in this final Djokovic shoved why he is the best and why Federer and Nadal don't have chance against him.
His mental strength and self-confidence are unsurpassed.

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Quote from: vella85 on July 16, 2019, 05:42:45 PM

There is no doubt that Federer is the greatest of all time however we are seeing that Djokovic isn't very far behind him and I even rank Djokovic ahead of Nadal because Djokovic has won more Grand Slams on different surfaces where as Nadal has won all he's Grand Slams mostly on clay which in my opinion isn't a very good record. Yes he is the king of clay but it would look better if he won more Grand Slams on other surfaces like Djokovic and Federer.

If Djokovic continue his run and eventually past Federer with the most number of wins in a Grand Slam then no doubt we will have a discussions as to who is the GOAT of this general and others might consider him ahead of Federer if we are going to base on that criteria.

The strengths of both player in any surface is also a indication how great they really are as compare to Nadal's amazing run on clay specially on French open. But currently, for me it is still Federer, at the top of my list.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 17, 2019, 11:41:30 AM

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If everyone likes one spot then there is no issue, conflict of interest comes when the other person like Tennis and another one likes to watch cricket Cheesy

, it will be one heck of a situation, i have recorded the entire match as i was certain that England is going to win by a narrow margin but never expect the match to be this close and declare the winner because ICC said so Cheesy

i made a bet on Federer v Djokovic and hence it was nerve wrecking for me when Djokovic lost the second set 6 to 1 i was thinking that Djokovic fucked me over once again as i lost a lot of bet during 2017

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Man! Talking about betting it reminds me the nightmare memory of this cricket world cup. I have lost over 0.1BTC. In the England vs Sri Lanka match alone I have lost 0.05BTC :-(

Back in the tennis match, I was expecting Federer to win the match but I know that it will not be easy for both of them whoever wins it and indeed it was not an easy one. In fact it seems one of the match that will be remembered for very very long time.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 16, 2019, 08:05:33 AM

In my house everyone is cricket fan and no one understand Tennis so even if I would have this in mind to split screen then I could not do that. I will have this regret always that I missed one legendary battle while I was watching another legendary battle for a different sports.

I will need to find a copy of the full match of this final or at-least the record of the fifth set and the tie break.

If everyone likes one spot then there is no issue, conflict of interest comes when the other person like Tennis and another one likes to watch cricket Cheesy

, it will be one heck of a situation, i have recorded the entire match as i was certain that England is going to win by a narrow margin but never expect the match to be this close and declare the winner because ICC said so Cheesy

i made a bet on Federer v Djokovic and hence it was nerve wrecking for me when Djokovic lost the second set 6 to 1 i was thinking that Djokovic fucked me over once again as i lost a lot of bet during 2017

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This match is the longest 4 hours 47 minutes something extraordinary especially for Federer who can still play well even though he finally lost.
Statistically the match Federer played better than Novak, Federer and Novak met 3 times in the Wimbledon final and Federer was unable to defeat Novak 1 though.
Of all the epic respect for both, Novak was very respectful of Federer as seen from him who did not celebrate excessively.

That's exactly the reason why Federer is the top player in the world despite the fact that he does not win the title in the end.
He is in the age of 40 and he can compete Djokovic equally.
We are very lucky that we live in the Era of watching them play tennis.

There are a lot of tennis greats before that we have never seen. But yeah, having witnessed the best tennis players in this era like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, it is a privilege and we are indeed very luck. Hope that we will see some young tennis stars rise to the occasion and challenge them tho, as the likes of Nadal and Federer won't sustain as they're getting old every tennis tournament.

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There is no doubt that Federer is the greatest of all time however we are seeing that Djokovic isn't very far behind him and I even rank Djokovic ahead of Nadal because Djokovic has won more Grand Slams on different surfaces where as Nadal has won all he's Grand Slams mostly on clay which in my opinion isn't a very good record. Yes he is the king of clay but it would look better if he won more Grand Slams on other surfaces like Djokovic and Federer.

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Finally it was a good play, in most of the finals Federer used to meet Nadal. Novak and Federer haven't faced on more finals. Federer is completely a never give up person, but at some point the gameplay of Novak was quite superior to the performance of Federer. Once the match got turned it is truly hard to get it back to the track on tennis. So, from beginning to the end there should be consistency. When this gets missed its the missing of the game.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 14, 2019, 11:05:23 PM

This match is the longest 4 hours 47 minutes something extraordinary especially for Federer who can still play well even though he finally lost.
Statistically the match Federer played better than Novak, Federer and Novak met 3 times in the Wimbledon final and Federer was unable to defeat Novak 1 though.
Of all the epic respect for both, Novak was very respectful of Federer as seen from him who did not celebrate excessively.

That's exactly the reason why Federer is the top player in the world despite the fact that he does not win the title in the end.
He is in the age of 40 and he can compete Djokovic equally.
We are very lucky that we live in the Era of watching them play tennis.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 16, 2019, 09:29:06 AM

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Quote from: vella85 on July 14, 2019, 06:23:31 PM

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Indeed, it will go down to the record book as the one of the most intense fight we have seen for a long time. I still can't get over the fact that Djokovic was able to save not one but two match point and win this years Wimbledon. Maybe I'm just a Roger Federer fan and I thought that he had it at that moment, but kudos for Djokovic for a remarkable come back and steal this one from Roger.

Yes, Djokovic is the man to beat no question about it and I'm sure that you will agree that he can overtake Roger's record for most Grand Slam titles.

It's true that Federer was better most of the match but in the most important moments in match Djokovic was better.
In such important moments, Federer has made too many mistakes and allowed Djokovic to win.
This was actually one of the weaker matches from Djokovic and almost perfect match for Federer so because of it I'm sure that Federer is even more sad and frustrated now.
If Djokovic can win when he don't play well that I'm sure that if he remain healthy and focused, he can win more Grand Slams than Federer.

You are right now time for Federer to give up because he was good but suddenly done too many mistakes and allow to Djokovic to win even Djokovic was not in his best form even once I was thinking he is going to lost badly but he done great job and won this match.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 16, 2019, 06:38:38 AM

Quote from: vella85 on July 14, 2019, 06:23:31 PM

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Indeed, it will go down to the record book as the one of the most intense fight we have seen for a long time. I still can't get over the fact that Djokovic was able to save not one but two match point and win this years Wimbledon. Maybe I'm just a Roger Federer fan and I thought that he had it at that moment, but kudos for Djokovic for a remarkable come back and steal this one from Roger.

Yes, Djokovic is the man to beat no question about it and I'm sure that you will agree that he can overtake Roger's record for most Grand Slam titles.

It's true that Federer was better most of the match but in the most important moments in match Djokovic was better.
In such important moments, Federer has made too many mistakes and allowed Djokovic to win.
This was actually one of the weaker matches from Djokovic and almost perfect match for Federer so because of it I'm sure that Federer is even more sad and frustrated now.
If Djokovic can win when he don't play well that I'm sure that if he remain healthy and focused, he can win more Grand Slams than Federer.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 16, 2019, 08:05:33 AM

Quote from: eaLiTy on July 15, 2019, 09:30:39 AM

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The cricket world cup was a heavily contested and very close match and one funny thing that was an instant hit was that the losing captain of New Zealand Kane Williamson and Roger Federer share the same birth date 8th of August and both were on the loosing side even though Federer won 36 games and Djokovic won just 32 games and still lost the match Cheesy

. Either way it was a epic day for sports fans to see those two great battles, i was watching both the matches in split screen and it was epic.

In my house everyone is cricket fan and no one understand Tennis so even if I would have this in mind to split screen then I could not do that. I will have this regret always that I missed one legendary battle while I was watching another legendary battle for a different sports.

I will need to find a copy of the full match of this final or at-least the record of the fifth set and the tie break.

There's no point of discussing a better sport. Cricket is one of the popular team sport while Tennis is one of the best individual or dual sport.
As of the popularity, Tennis is much more popular in global context while Cricket is fairly popular in south Asia.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 15, 2019, 09:30:39 AM

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The cricket world cup was a heavily contested and very close match and one funny thing that was an instant hit was that the losing captain of New Zealand Kane Williamson and Roger Federer share the same birth date 8th of August and both were on the loosing side even though Federer won 36 games and Djokovic won just 32 games and still lost the match Cheesy

. Either way it was a epic day for sports fans to see those two great battles, i was watching both the matches in split screen and it was epic.

In my house everyone is cricket fan and no one understand Tennis so even if I would have this in mind to split screen then I could not do that. I will have this regret always that I missed one legendary battle while I was watching another legendary battle for a different sports.

I will need to find a copy of the full match of this final or at-least the record of the fifth set and the tie break.

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Quote from: vella85 on July 14, 2019, 06:23:31 PM

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Indeed, it will go down to the record book as the one of the most intense fight we have seen for a long time. I still can't get over the fact that Djokovic was able to save not one but two match point and win this years Wimbledon. Maybe I'm just a Roger Federer fan and I thought that he had it at that moment, but kudos for Djokovic for a remarkable come back and steal this one from Roger.

Yes, Djokovic is the man to beat no question about it and I'm sure that you will agree that he can overtake Roger's record for most Grand Slam titles.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on July 15, 2019, 10:20:16 AM

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Each sport has his good sides. I missed formula 1 cuz it was in same time but watch rerun of it. Tennis was more then epic can remember when they play like this two of them.
Belive they had many matches in the past but this on was record in many things.

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