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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2019, 09:42:43 AM

I already mentioned that Cheesy

and yeah it was very close match Tongue

, Bangladesh lost by little margin, Just 109 runs Grin

But if we go into details then it was not only one factor of losing match. Umesh Yadav and Shami deserves more credit when they wrapped up Bangladesh Top order result Ban lost the match and didn't even crossed the 200.

The margin would have changed or even the result. Rohit was probably around 80 when he was given not out by the umpire. On the other hand, Mahmudullah was in good form in that world cup, 2 centuries in the 2015 world cup.
One more questionable decision from the same match was Raina's not given lbw which wasn't that much accurate. However, don't you think a clear picture of the wrong decision can change the mind set up of a team?
Umesh and Shami had done great but the questionable decision put much effect in the match.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 28, 2019, 09:47:44 AM

To be honest, umpires can make mistakes and we need to accept it but when things are obvious that these are not mistakes then it turns out bad and it's corruption. The Australia vs India series is a very good example of corruption.

Rohit's NO BALL out was a clear corruption, it was a high no-ball which is easily detectable.

By the way, it was Mr. Aleem dar.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2019, 07:17:01 AM

What is wrong with ICC? They act so gullible sometimes. Stokes is a great player, but calling him the greatest of all time is pathetic and an insult to all the legends. Whoever is handling their twitter account is seriously dumb for posting such bullshit.

It is evident that someone from England is handling the twitter account Cheesy

, they tied the world cup but gave that to England and it is the greatest cricketing achievement they had and now in this series after folding to a total of just 67 runs and then went on to chase a total of 359 runs in the final innings is incredible and these two feats by Ben Stokes makes him the greatest contributor in world event when it mattered for England. To call someone the greatest of all time he needs to prove this time and again but the innings he played in both instances are incredible and one of the best i have seen in a very long time.

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Okay I see the fans for their own country (Little Mouse and JSRAW) are in battle :-P

To be honest, umpires can make mistakes and we need to accept it but when things are obvious that these are not mistakes then it turns out bad and it's corruption. The Australia vs India series is a very good example of corruption.

Also the hassle they gave Muthia Muralidharan about his bowling action was also corruption.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 28, 2019, 08:24:58 AM

Not sure about India but in the World cup it was fairly clear that most of the time the wrong decisions were favoring England.

Sometimes, it also goes in favor of India. You might have remembered the 2015 world cup match between Bangladesh and India, Mahmudullah hit the ball which was taken in the boundary, unfortunately, the player who caught has touched the boundary line but he was given out.
Rohit got out but umpire called "No ball" which was not a no-ball at all.
That's how India win that match Cheesy

I already mentioned that Cheesy

and yeah it was very close match Tongue

, Bangladesh lost by little margin, Just 109 runs Grin

But if we go into details then it was not only one factor of losing match. Umesh Yadav and Shami deserves more credit when they wrapped up Bangladesh Top order result Ban lost the match and didn't even crossed the 200.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 28, 2019, 08:24:58 AM

Not sure about India but in the World cup it was fairly clear that most of the time the wrong decisions were favoring England.

Sometimes, it also goes in favor of India. You might have remembered the 2015 world cup match between Bangladesh and India, Mahmudullah hit the ball which was taken in the boundary, unfortunately, the player who caught has touched the boundary line but he was given out.
Rohit got out but umpire called "No ball" which was not a no-ball at all.
That's how India win that match Cheesy

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And if you really want to dig some Spicy content then look at India vs Australia 2008 series. Umpiring was pure Gold for both sides Cheesy

Isn't it the series in Australia? India then refused to play the next test or something if they do not change the umpires and they had to change them. This was an embarrassment for World cricket.

Yeah, It was ugly series for many reasons.

1. Literally shit umpiring, ( recent Ben stokes controversy is cute)
2. Players refused to walk out even edging the ball in slips against spinners.
3. Countless amount of Sledging on personal level, followed by Famous Monkey Gate Saga ( its actually very funny story Cheesy

) then Ban on Harbhajan.
4. Indian Captain refused to shake hands with the umpires which triggered OZ's tabloid
5. Then in the end Threat of leaving series.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2019, 09:17:54 AM

And if you really want to dig some Spicy content then look at India vs Australia 2008 series. Umpiring was pure Gold for both sides Cheesy

Isn't it the series in Australia? India then refused to play the next test or something if they do not change the umpires and they had to change them. This was an embarrassment for World cricket.

Edit: Yeah, I was right: https://youtu.be/92zqspN3W2c

Talking about Sachin vs Steve Bucknor? Here is one :-P
https://youtu.be/yF3Ss2e9KCk?t=8

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 08:21:12 AM

And I am not sure why such luck happens only for teams such as England or India. I have never seen smaller teams such as West Indies or New Zealand having such luck. IMO, the reason is simple. The umpires don't want to go against the home crowd and they award the decisions to major teams even when they are unsure about it.

Not much with India TBH, it was another way around till 2009-10 (Home-away both). There are countless incidents of bad umpiring. Start with Steve Bucknor- Sachin's dismissals. If it was not for Bucknor, then Sachin could have been made at least 5-10 more centuries or match-winning knocks in World cricket.

I can remember a handful of decision ( One actually) in recent time, which helped India and arguably changed the Game scenario to some extent. 2015 world cup quarter-final against the Bangladesh where Rohit Sharma saved by no-ball and he scored 130ish runs, but it's not even a good example because it turns out to be a one-sided match at the end where Bangladesh lost by 109 runs.

And if you really want to dig some Spicy content then look at India vs Australia 2008 series. Umpiring was pure Gold for both sides Cheesy

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 08:21:12 AM

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Stokes was pushing his bat forward and it deflected the ball and he got 4 additional runs.

It was not intentional. So there are no point to ask umpire to deduct the run or to show any other form of gentleman-ship :-)

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The umpires don't want to go against the home crowd and they award the decisions to major teams even when they are unsure about it.

Not sure about India but in the World cup it was fairly clear that most of the time the wrong decisions were favoring England.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 28, 2019, 05:52:25 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 27, 2019, 05:19:28 PM

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One? I guess both of his innings are controversial. Lips sealed

I missed watching the last innings so I do not have much to say about it however the first one (World cup final), I will say it was not about him or his innings. It was about bad umpiring and extremely Lucky England.

- What could be a perfect catch ended up with an over boundary: You can not blame the fielder, he gave his best but it was too hard to control.
- Boundary after hitting the bat and awarded 6 runs where it was suppose to be given 5 runs: Not a single players, officials were aware about this error. Umpires should have known it but they were shit at it.

In both incidents, Stokes had nothing to do. He was giving his THE BEST for his country and rest happened because it was destined to be happened.

I will not agree when you say that Sokes had nothing to do with it. At least during the first incident during the world cup finals. Stokes was pushing his bat forward and it deflected the ball and he got 4 additional runs. If he was a real gentleman, then he should have asked the umpire to deduct those 4 extra runs. I am sure that if Kane Williamson was in his place, then he would have done so.

And I am not sure why such luck happens only for teams such as England or India. I have never seen smaller teams such as West Indies or New Zealand having such luck. IMO, the reason is simple. The umpires don't want to go against the home crowd and they award the decisions to major teams even when they are unsure about it.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2019, 07:17:01 AM

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/icc-faces-wrath-of-sachin-tendulkar-fans-for-calling-ben-stokes-greatest/articleshow/70874826.cms

What is wrong with ICC? They act so gullible sometimes. Stokes is a great player, but calling him the greatest of all time is pathetic and an insult to all the legends. Whoever is handling their twitter account is seriously dumb for posting such bullshit.

You have my support. Stokes did play few good innings (precisely two good innings) but this does not make him the greatest of all time. That's BS and over hyped.

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 28, 2019, 08:08:12 AM

it's just that I feel when the umpires are making decisions in England, they try to make them in favor of the English team.

This bothers me too and I noticed it numerous times. It's like they want English passport LOL.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 27, 2019, 05:19:28 PM

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One? I guess both of his innings are controversial. Lips sealed

I missed watching the last innings so I do not have much to say about it however the first one (World cup final), I will say it was not about him or his innings. It was about bad umpiring and extremely Lucky England.

- What could be a perfect catch ended up with an over boundary: You can not blame the fielder, he gave his best but it was too hard to control.
- Boundary after hitting the bat and awarded 6 runs where it was suppose to be given 5 runs: Not a single players, officials were aware about this error. Umpires should have known it but they were shit at it.

In both incidents, Stokes had nothing to do. He was giving his THE BEST for his country and rest happened because it was destined to be happened.

Actually, I'm not blaming Ben Stokes or giving him less credit for both the innings. However, what bothers me ain't the bad decisions of the umpires, it's just that I feel when the umpires are making decisions in England, they try to make them in favor of the English team. You see, the World Cup match as well as this Ashes match, both were played in England. Moreover, the last lbw in the Ashes match was quite clear, and England even had a review left (for which they could've gone if they felt that the decision was wrong), so why the hell didn't the umpire make a decision in the favor of Aussies, the team that had no review left at all?

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/icc-faces-wrath-of-sachin-tendulkar-fans-for-calling-ben-stokes-greatest/articleshow/70874826.cms

What is wrong with ICC? They act so gullible sometimes. Stokes is a great player, but calling him the greatest of all time is pathetic and an insult to all the legends. Whoever is handling their twitter account is seriously dumb for posting such bullshit.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on August 27, 2019, 05:19:28 PM

~snip~
One? I guess both of his innings are controversial. Lips sealed

I missed watching the last innings so I do not have much to say about it however the first one (World cup final), I will say it was not about him or his innings. It was about bad umpiring and extremely Lucky England.

- What could be a perfect catch ended up with an over boundary: You can not blame the fielder, he gave his best but it was too hard to control.
- Boundary after hitting the bat and awarded 6 runs where it was suppose to be given 5 runs: Not a single players, officials were aware about this error. Umpires should have known it but they were shit at it.

In both incidents, Stokes had nothing to do. He was giving his THE BEST for his country and rest happened because it was destined to be happened.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 27, 2019, 12:07:53 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2019, 11:59:37 AM

Luck + Poor Umpiring + Fumbles from opposition here and there Lips sealed

I almost forgot about the umpiring. These days umpires are making too many mistakes. ICC really needs to do something about it.

I doubt they will do anything about this since these idiots don't bother listening to fan criticism majority of the time. The pressure is building though and they might have to do something soon.

Quote from: vella85 on August 27, 2019, 06:31:45 PM

I believe that Strac needs to come into the Australian team for the fourth test match. Lets be honest James Pattinson hasn't really done much with the ball and to say that they want to give the younger bowlers a go is false as James Pattinson is 29 years old and is the same age as Strac so there must be something more to it for leaving Strac out of the three test matches so far but this next test he needs to play as he could be the man to help build Australia's confidence as right now it is shot after that loss.

Mitchell Starc is only 29? Damn. I actually thought that he was way older than that(Certainly looks like it). Anyway, I do agree with you since I still remember the manner in which he troubled the English batsmen in the World Cup(That amazing yorker to Stokes).

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 27, 2019, 11:06:42 AM

In sports, luck plays a big role and I think this year we are seeing luck is favoring too much for England and it's Stokes always playing monster innings. So, if luck combined with Stokes miraculous innings continue then may be we will see England is going to regain the Ashes or the job is too hard.

I am still of the opinion that Australia is going to win the Ashes. Apart from Stokes, none of the English batsmen are in form. And I hope Australia would select Mitchell Starc over James Pattinson, and this will prevent the English lower order adding crucial runs, as happened with the first three matches of the series. Also, they should think about replacing Nathan Lyon as the primary spinner. He was quite ineffective during the second and the third matches and conceded a lot of runs against the lower order batsmen.

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I believe that Strac needs to come into the Australian team for the fourth test match. Lets be honest James Pattinson hasn't really done much with the ball and to say that they want to give the younger bowlers a go is false as James Pattinson is 29 years old and is the same age as Strac so there must be something more to it for leaving Strac out of the three test matches so far but this next test he needs to play as he could be the man to help build Australia's confidence as right now it is shot after that loss.

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Quote from: Indymoney on August 27, 2019, 03:14:59 PM

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Now Stokes could be remembered for very long time in cricket history for his two best innings even one is controversial but still he achieved his target for his team and country one of best fighters in recent time

One? I guess both of his innings are controversial. Lips sealed

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 27, 2019, 01:07:35 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2019, 01:03:13 PM

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RIP Cricket then Grin

I know. It's the same crazy level like not to have bowlers but bowling machines :-P

Quote from: onrise on August 27, 2019, 12:58:02 PM

He also had a past where on his bowling four sixes were hit and Engalnd lost the cup.

I will remember him as a Batsman not Bowler. These two innings made him legend.

Now Stokes could be remembered for very long time in cricket history for his two best innings even one is controversial but still he achieved his target for his team and country one of best fighters in recent time
About umpiring its really poor even using technology and now many old legend cricketers also talking about this but I am sure ICC is not going to do any thing as its their best weapon.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2019, 01:03:13 PM

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RIP Cricket then Grin

I know. It's the same crazy level like not to have bowlers but bowling machines :-P

Quote from: onrise on August 27, 2019, 12:58:02 PM

He also had a past where on his bowling four sixes were hit and Engalnd lost the cup.

I will remember him as a Batsman not Bowler. These two innings made him legend.

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