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Quote from: JSRAW on February 01, 2024, 03:09:45 AM

- Poor and defensive captaincy from Rohit.
- Batters throwing away their wickets in the first inning, we shouldn't forget 5 batters got out slogging. When you score 80 ish runs then batters should target for daddy 100s and not throw away wickets and in the second inning they went into shells.

Yashsasvi Jaiswal 80
kl Rahul 86
Ravindra Jadeja 87
Three of India's batsmen missed the coveted first innings hundred and should have learned how to turn a nervous 80 into a hundred.
In the first Test, Rohit Sharma's poor captaincy and the complete failure of the top order batsmen lost the first match but if the same performance is observed in this match, India will turn out to be a poor team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2024, 10:50:15 PM

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Siraj didn't do anything that costed India the match, it wasn't his day and didn't get any wicket but it was alright, it was largely batters fault and had India won the test we wouldn't be arguing about Siraj here at all. You can argue same about Bumrah too that his place could have been also offered to spinners but you don't cause he took wickets. Had Siraj was the one who got wicket and Bumrah came out empty ended, I'm sure you would be saying Bumrah's spot was waste.

I don't think you can blame Siraj for Jadeja's injury either, these things just happen, look at KL Rahul, he was included in squad as sole batter, he had no wicket keeping duty in the game, yet he was injured.

True, in hindsight, one can argue many reasons for the defeat but the main reason was a timid approach from the Indians. India has won plenty of matches where 2-3 bowlers were underbowled be it seamer or even in some cases spinners.

- Poor and defensive captaincy from Rohit.
- Batters throwing away their wickets in the first inning, we shouldn't forget 5 batters got out slogging. When you score 80 ish runs then batters should target for daddy 100s and not throw away wickets and in the second inning they went into shells.
- for a change Likes of Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar got outplayed by Pope. Poor fielding and bad captaincy did play a major part but there is no shame in accepting that they were outplayed and that's why test cricket is tough.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2024, 10:50:15 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on January 31, 2024, 01:57:32 PM

The squad played for India has complete batsmen upto no.9 who can play the authentic test cricket which including 3 best of current all rounders that gave the convenience of having two proper pacers who may need to do the job if the spin is not working as expected but it's not Siraj fault but he haven't been utilised properly so he totally bowled around 10 overs in both the innings.

Personally I prefer Siraj to play because his agression is positive thing to have in test format and you know what I am saying if you're a fan of test cricket when Kohli was the captain.

It was a tactical blunder to include Siraj in the first test. Not only did he failed to contribute, but also his presence increased the workload on the spinners (Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja and Axar Patel). And this is one of the reasons why Jadeja got injured and had to be ruled out of the second test. England did the right thing, by including just Mark Wood as the pacer. When you are preparing a track that is tailor-made for the spinners, I don't understand the point in including two pacers in the bowling lineup.

Siraj didn't do anything that costed India the match, it wasn't his day and didn't get any wicket but it was alright, it was largely batters fault and had India won the test we wouldn't be arguing about Siraj here at all. You can argue same about Bumrah too that his place could have been also offered to spinners but you don't cause he took wickets. Had Siraj was the one who got wicket and Bumrah came out empty ended, I'm sure you would be saying Bumrah's spot was waste.

I don't think you can blame Siraj for Jadeja's injury either, these things just happen, look at KL Rahul, he was included in squad as sole batter, he had no wicket keeping duty in the game, yet he was injured.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2024, 10:50:15 PM

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The squad played for India has complete batsmen upto no.9 who can play the authentic test cricket which including 3 best of current all rounders that gave the convenience of having two proper pacers who may need to do the job if the spin is not working as expected but it's not Siraj fault but he haven't been utilised properly so he totally bowled around 10 overs in both the innings.

Personally I prefer Siraj to play because his agression is positive thing to have in test format and you know what I am saying if you're a fan of test cricket when Kohli was the captain.

It was a tactical blunder to include Siraj in the first test. Not only did he failed to contribute, but also his presence increased the workload on the spinners (Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja and Axar Patel). And this is one of the reasons why Jadeja got injured and had to be ruled out of the second test. England did the right thing, by including just Mark Wood as the pacer. When you are preparing a track that is tailor-made for the spinners, I don't understand the point in including two pacers in the bowling lineup.

Jadeja injured while he was batting and he bowled around 30 overs in the previous day which can't be an issue in terms of workload. One pace attack is never needed when 3 of your spinners is complete batsmen. Mark wood struggled and he did nothing because of the one pace attack and this pitch is traditional sub continent pitch not a complete turner that is why you saw Bumrah got more wickets in 3rd innings.

The second test will be really crucial for India and it is going to be challenging because Kohli, Jaddu, KL will not be playing and Gill and Iyer is completely out of form so who is going to play the long innings?

India should understand the importance of pujara and Rahane like players now. Atleast the replacement players is in good form hope they will play instead of Iyer and Gill or it's a big gamble.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2024, 10:50:15 PM

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The squad played for India has complete batsmen upto no.9 who can play the authentic test cricket which including 3 best of current all rounders that gave the convenience of having two proper pacers who may need to do the job if the spin is not working as expected but it's not Siraj fault but he haven't been utilised properly so he totally bowled around 10 overs in both the innings.

Personally I prefer Siraj to play because his agression is positive thing to have in test format and you know what I am saying if you're a fan of test cricket when Kohli was the captain.

It was a tactical blunder to include Siraj in the first test. Not only did he failed to contribute, but also his presence increased the workload on the spinners (Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja and Axar Patel). And this is one of the reasons why Jadeja got injured and had to be ruled out of the second test. England did the right thing, by including just Mark Wood as the pacer. When you are preparing a track that is tailor-made for the spinners, I don't understand the point in including two pacers in the bowling lineup.

I don't think it was that much of a bad decision, to be honest. It was like 50/50. If it worked out well, it would have been great.

But the thing is it didn't work out for India. So we are saying that it was a very bad decision. It does look to be a very bad decision on paper right now. Was there a chance to pick another player? Of course, there was. But picking Muhammad Siraj was not a very bad decision in my opinion. He is of course a decent player. But in this test match, he was just unable to have a good impact.

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Quote from: Bureau on February 01, 2024, 12:39:38 AM

India's bowling was never an issue and Shiraj's presence does help Bhumrah. The problem was batting and that Indian batters went into defensive mode in the second innings, creating pressure for themselves. Hartley had a great day as I cannot say he was lucky, but he was bowling on the exact spot where he needed to get that edge. I might say that England was lucky on the 4th day as no one expected them to win, It was similar to what happened with Australia at the Gabba.

Yes right India's batting line was very bad in second innings compared to first innings maybe they were under stress for which they gave poor batting performance.Anyone who understands cricket will tell you that one of the reasons India lost the first Test match was impatient batting.

Anyway in the second test match India will play well and try to win. Most of India's new players have been added to the squad for the second Test match with experienced Rohit Sharma, Ravichandran Ashwin, Shreyas Iyer, Shubman Gill, Srikar Bharat. All of them have to bat well in the second test match then the Indian team will be able to win the second test match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2024, 10:50:15 PM

It was a tactical blunder to include Siraj in the first test. Not only did he failed to contribute, but also his presence increased the workload on the spinners (Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja and Axar Patel). And this is one of the reasons why Jadeja got injured and had to be ruled out of the second test. England did the right thing, by including just Mark Wood as the pacer. When you are preparing a track that is tailor-made for the spinners, I don't understand the point in including two pacers in the bowling lineup.

India's bowling was never an issue and Shiraj's presence does help Bhumrah. The problem was batting and that Indian batters went into defensive mode in the second innings, creating pressure for themselves. Hartley had a great day as I cannot say he was lucky, but he was bowling on the exact spot where he needed to get that edge. I might say that England was lucky on the 4th day as no one expected them to win, It was similar to what happened with Australia at the Gabba.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on January 31, 2024, 01:23:41 PM

I agree about Mohammad Siraj because they have few choices which can bat well and also able to bowl 10 to 15 overs without any problem but here now we have to understand selectors were too much overconfident about their team, and they were also taking England very lightly which bring them down at this level, and they faced this unexpected defeat in this first test match only Bumrah were enough for the bowling and any batting all-rounder can bring better result.

In batting Virat Kohli's absence is also hurting badly with things could be more troubled in coming match as they will miss KL Rahul and now voices are rising about Gill's spot in test as well because he consistently fails in this format which is also problem so now they have to do things carefully.

Main reason is India took English team very light specially after they bowled out England for 246 and got 190 runs lead in first innings. Credit goes to England batting who fought hard in second innings and gave a target of 230 runs and this give some hope to there bowling lineup.
I don't think it's because of Kohli absence because same batting scored 436 runs in first innings and were bowled out for 202 runs in second innings. Its mainly due to irresponsible behaviour from top batting lineup.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on January 31, 2024, 01:57:32 PM

The squad played for India has complete batsmen upto no.9 who can play the authentic test cricket which including 3 best of current all rounders that gave the convenience of having two proper pacers who may need to do the job if the spin is not working as expected but it's not Siraj fault but he haven't been utilised properly so he totally bowled around 10 overs in both the innings.

Personally I prefer Siraj to play because his agression is positive thing to have in test format and you know what I am saying if you're a fan of test cricket when Kohli was the captain.

It was a tactical blunder to include Siraj in the first test. Not only did he failed to contribute, but also his presence increased the workload on the spinners (Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja and Axar Patel). And this is one of the reasons why Jadeja got injured and had to be ruled out of the second test. England did the right thing, by including just Mark Wood as the pacer. When you are preparing a track that is tailor-made for the spinners, I don't understand the point in including two pacers in the bowling lineup.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on January 31, 2024, 01:23:41 PM

I agree about Mohammad Siraj because they have few choices which can bat well and also able to bowl 10 to 15 overs without any problem but here now we have to understand selectors were too much overconfident about their team, and they were also taking England very lightly which bring them down at this level, and they faced this unexpected defeat in this first test match only Bumrah were enough for the bowling and any batting all-rounder can bring better result.

In batting Virat Kohli's absence is also hurting badly with things could be more troubled in coming match as they will miss KL Rahul and now voices are rising about Gill's spot in test as well because he consistently fails in this format which is also problem so now they have to do things carefully.

The squad played for India has complete batsmen upto no.9 who can play the authentic test cricket which including 3 best of current all rounders that gave the convenience of having two proper pacers who may need to do the job if the spin is not working as expected but it's not Siraj fault but he haven't been utilised properly so he totally bowled around 10 overs in both the innings.

Personally I prefer Siraj to play because his agression is positive thing to have in test format and you know what I am saying if you're a fan of test cricket when Kohli was the captain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2024, 09:14:44 PM

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India did lose the last match in a very unexpected way. But I hope they will be able to do better in the next match. And now India will also be careful about taking things for granted. Because India could have easily won the match. But it was a great comeback from England. India will have to make sure that if they are in a situation like that again, they do not give England any chance. And even though we have not seen England perform really well recently, I think they do have a chance to actually win the series.

Indians were too complacent. They took things too lightly. What was the need to include two pacers (Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj) in the squad, when the pitch was not offering any sort of support for them? The track was tailor made to suit the spinners, and it backfired on the Indians as Tom Hartley routed them. Instead of Siraj, they could have gone for a pace bowling allrounder such as Shardul Thakur. Siraj bowled a total of 11 overs in this match and went wicketless. Bumrah on the other hand picked up 6 crucial wickets.

I agree about Mohammad Siraj because they have few choices which can bat well and also able to bowl 10 to 15 overs without any problem but here now we have to understand selectors were too much overconfident about their team, and they were also taking England very lightly which bring them down at this level, and they faced this unexpected defeat in this first test match only Bumrah were enough for the bowling and any batting all-rounder can bring better result.

In batting Virat Kohli's absence is also hurting badly with things could be more troubled in coming match as they will miss KL Rahul and now voices are rising about Gill's spot in test as well because he consistently fails in this format which is also problem so now they have to do things carefully.

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Quote from: Tony116 on January 31, 2024, 11:17:08 AM

But the thing is, if India had a captain like Dhoni, this wouldn't have happened. Maybe people will think that I am talking random things but I think it is the truth. Why I am saying this? Because I think India did not have a proper winning mindset. They thought it was easy. So they were chilling. But kudos to England for not letting their guard down and actually having a winning mindset.

Agreed. Rohit isn't a bad captain by any means, but MSD is in another league when compared to him. The dude knew how to read the opponents like they were open books and made changes on the fly.

I was only disappointed with some of the Indian batsmen since their bowling department did fairly well and a couple of them scored some vital runs too.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2024, 09:14:44 PM

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India did lose the last match in a very unexpected way. But I hope they will be able to do better in the next match. And now India will also be careful about taking things for granted. Because India could have easily won the match. But it was a great comeback from England. India will have to make sure that if they are in a situation like that again, they do not give England any chance. And even though we have not seen England perform really well recently, I think they do have a chance to actually win the series.

Indians were too complacent. They took things too lightly. What was the need to include two pacers (Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj) in the squad, when the pitch was not offering any sort of support for them? The track was tailor made to suit the spinners, and it backfired on the Indians as Tom Hartley routed them. Instead of Siraj, they could have gone for a pace bowling allrounder such as Shardul Thakur. Siraj bowled a total of 11 overs in this match and went wicketless. Bumrah on the other hand picked up 6 crucial wickets.

I think indian players are capable of winning. And yes I also think that they took things easy in that match against England. Otherwise, there was no way for them to actually lose. I think India is going to learn their lesson from this. But the thing is, if India had a captain like Dhoni, this wouldn't have happened. Maybe people will think that I am talking random things but I think it is the truth. Why I am saying this? Because I think India did not have a proper winning mindset. They thought it was easy. So they were chilling. But kudos to England for not letting their guard down and actually having a winning mindset.

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I am not watching/following this serious but england's performance was so bad in the World cup tournament. are they still same or improved little bit?
Test Cricket is different than ODI tho. so anything can happen. England used to be a tuff competitor.

They improved a bit in all departments thanks to promising young players like Hartley, but they are still over-dependent to a large extent on olders players like Pope, Root, Stokes etc if you ask me.

They still have a long way to go in order to get back to how they were before a couple of years ago.

No, I do not think so; as England is getting better because as they were down in first inning and India having huge lead this all were going in their Indian favor, but suddenly they took this all easy, and then we have Ollie Pope who hammered them in badly which help England to have upper hand with 230 runs lead even still this was looking not enough in these conditions but inexperienced batting lineup faced pressure and lost their wickets which help to Hartley who was playing his first test in these difficult conditions.

Even I also believe now India will be fight back and have to win this series, but rumours about Virat Kohli are creating mess-up with now Jadu and Rahul both are also not available for the second test which is also problem for the India while they lost another experienced batsman for this series.

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Indian batting lineup really disappointed all the Indian fans. We all thought that India will easily chase down the target after Pope’s brilliant batting in 3rd innings. But unexpected things really happened this time. Indian team really felt the pressure without the chase master Virat Kohli. Except Rohit Sharma none has batted well. I guess Indian team will rectify these errors in the upcoming games.

In the first test match of England vs India, England team was bowled out for just 246 runs in the first innings due to their batting failure. But in the second innings, England team performed very well and set India a target of 230 runs. When India was given a target of 230 runs, we thought that India might easily win. But England team won the first test match against India by 28 runs because of their excellent bowling by England team. Congratulations to England team. India lost the first Test match against England due to batting failure in India's second innings. Indian batsmen have really given a very disappointing performance. Apart from Rohit Sharma, no other Indian batsman could bat as well in the second innings which led to India losing by 28 runs against England.

When we have England 275 for 6 in their second inning match was in India control, and they were on verge of win this first match of this series but Ollie Pope and Rehan Ahmad 64 runs partnership create foundation of England win with Hartley and Ollie Pope's partnership of 80 runs create trouble for them because chasing 230 runs is never been easy even you are playing at home and have enough quality batting lineup, so this was really impressive performance from the England in this first match of the series which create good interest for the remaining matches of this series with now India will try their best for fighting back and things will be good for the cricketing fans while they will watch these two big teams are fighting for the win in coming matches.

In the first test match of India vs England, India had a great performance in the first test. With a lead of 246 runs, India batted brilliantly. But unfortunately they did not bat that well in the second innings. The way India batted in the second innings was never expected by the Indian cricket fans from the Indian batsmen. As the England team turned themselves around in the second innings. England team batted well and bowled well in the second innings as well due to which they bowled India out for just 202 runs in the second innings. And England won by 28 runs against India. Along with this victory, the England team won the 15th Test match with this victory.

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Quote from: Tony116 on January 30, 2024, 02:18:23 PM

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 30, 2024, 07:34:21 AM

India will be under a lot of pressure going into the second match on their own turf thanks to Jadeja and Rahul not being available and Kohli probably not being available for the entire test series.

I still think that India will comfortably win the series since the opponent is England who are crazy inconsistent these days. Let's see what happens.

India was defeated by England in the first test match so it cannot be said that India will win easily against England. The equation now stands as India need to win three out of the last four matches and the equation for England is two out of the last four matches. Maybe India are still favorites at their home ground but the last four matches will not be easy. The first match was supposed to be tough for England but England managed to win the first match against India so England will do well in the next matches as well. You say India will win the series comfortably, I say England has a chance to win the series.

India did lose the last match in a very unexpected way. But I hope they will be able to do better in the next match. And now India will also be careful about taking things for granted. Because India could have easily won the match. But it was a great comeback from England. India will have to make sure that if they are in a situation like that again, they do not give England any chance. And even though we have not seen England perform really well recently, I think they do have a chance to actually win the series.

India were hot favorites against England as the first Test match was played at home and India performed very well in the first innings but in the end the win did not go in India's favour. There are still four matches left in this Test series so Indian fans can only hope that their team will bounce back well but no one can say for sure that their team will win. Upcoming matches will be tough for India as India will be without some important players in the upcoming matches due to injuries. Virat Kohli Ravindra Jadeja KL Rahul It goes without saying that if India misses these players then India's performance will undoubtedly be adversely affected. And considering these things, it can be said that India's upcoming matches will be difficult.

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Quote from: MFahad on January 31, 2024, 04:34:10 AM

I am not watching/following this serious but england's performance was so bad in the World cup tournament. are they still same or improved little bit?
Test Cricket is different than ODI tho. so anything can happen. England used to be a tuff competitor.

They improved a bit in all departments thanks to promising young players like Hartley, but they are still over-dependent to a large extent on olders players like Pope, Root, Stokes etc if you ask me.

They still have a long way to go in order to get back to how they were before a couple of years ago.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 30, 2024, 07:34:21 AM

I still think that India will comfortably win the series since the opponent is England who are crazy inconsistent these days. Let's see what happens.

I am not watching/following this serious but england's performance was so bad in the World cup tournament. are they still same or improved little bit?
Test Cricket is different than ODI tho. so anything can happen. England used to be a tuff competitor.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on January 30, 2024, 08:49:17 AM

India was defeated by England in the first test match so it cannot be said that India will win easily against England.

Damn. I didn't know that. that means England Difinately improved a lot.

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Quote from: elevates on January 31, 2024, 02:08:47 AM

I read on reddit that he won't be able to be part of three matches and that he could skip the series as his mother is not doing well. Unless the BCCI comes with a statement it is better to believe what was earlier mentioned. Looks like India could be going for spinners in the next test due to black soil pitch. Already big names are out of the next match due to injury, If Rohit still goes with him then this batting position should be changed and there should someone better than him coming at that position where Kohli used to come.

There are doubts and concerns about India's squad for the second Test match of the Test series between India and England. Many are wondering who will be replaced in this second test match.Injuries have plagued the Indian cricket team even though they are much weaker without Virat Kohli. KL Rahul and Ravindra Jadeja have been ruled out of the second Test due to injuries.

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this guy Gill should be dropped as he is not at all in his best form.

I think the Indian Cricket Board will give Shubman Gill one more chance to prove himself. Because we all know Shubman Gill is a great batsman. Shubman Gill is a good batsman in Test format. Because if we look at his Test career statistics we can see that he has scored two centuries and four fifties in 21 Test matches. Considering these aspects, maybe he can be given another chance.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 30, 2024, 11:05:40 PM

This stupid news sites I swear to God, first they said Kohli won't be available for first two matches that was fair as it was sourced from BCCI's official X handle but now they are saying that BCCI official on condition of anonymity told them that we are not sure if he'll available in last three tests either. I'll stick with former, as it was official, and latter seems like a clickbait.

Putting words like, 'anonymity', 'report', 'sources' they often push out garbage.

No one from the public knows for sure whether he will return for the remaining tests or not. It's all just rumours at this point. Personally, I hope he returns asap since the team clearly desperately needs him.

With Rahul and Jadeja also not being available, the team seems to be in uncharted territory currently though I am still confident about them winning the series.

I read on reddit that he won't be able to be part of three matches and that he could skip the series as his mother is not doing well. Unless the BCCI comes with a statement it is better to believe what was earlier mentioned. Looks like India could be going for spinners in the next test due to black soil pitch. Already big names are out of the next match due to injury, this guy Gill should be dropped as he is not at all in his best form. If Rohit still goes with him then this batting position should be changed and there should someone better than him coming at that position where Kohli used to come.

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