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Quote from: repear7 on June 19, 2022, 09:58:01 AM

At the end of the 4th day, West Indies won by 7 wickets. If Bangladesh could have scored 250+ runs in the first innings then the target would have been 300+ then the game would have been better. But that is not in the fortune of Bangladesh. Good luck to the West Indies.

This did not end at the end of 4th day it's just started and West Indies ended this match very early even have some scary spells from Khalid Ahmed he ends this match with five wickets and Mustafizur Rahman with just one which is very poor from him even we have no full-strength West Indian squad.

Now Bangla Tigers have very few days for preparation and going into the second test match they need to do something good if they want to have some reasonable result from this series which is looking very difficult because they are not looking like a team just very few individual performances from few players and all others are giving a very poor performance which is not acceptable at this level from them for staying into a good position with this all they can drop out from this position.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 19, 2022, 06:26:16 AM

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There are some proposals for tier-2 type of WTC for Afg, Ire, Zim + associate nations but for this ICC need to subsidise new set of series, which is hard for them.

I've said couple of times that in a longer run Relegation system could potentially save the Test format but everyone likes Status quo, so here we are.

Not surprised here. Compared to the previous cycle, the ICC funding for associate nations got reduced by more than two-thirds for the current cycle (2015-23). From $65.25 million per year, the funding went down to $20 million per year, and for every test nation it increased by significant amounts. For the next cycle (2023-2031) I am expecting further reductions, as the pig-4 is firmly under control of the ICC after the departure of Shashank Manohar. Within the next 10 years, I expect most of the teams with native players (Netherlands, Scotland, Nepal, Namibia.etc) to face the same fate as that of Zimbabwe and Kenya. And once that happens, there will be no scope for a tier-2 WTC championship.

I don't know anything about associate nations funding so i won't comment on that.

Anyway new ICC chief and many others already said that no one expecting Test cricket to expand to associates nation because it's not practical.

Let's see what happens in next 10-20 years.

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At the end of the 4th day, West Indies won by 7 wickets. If Bangladesh could have scored 250+ runs in the first innings then the target would have been 300+ then the game would have been better. But that is not in the fortune of Bangladesh. Good luck to the West Indies.

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Match is over. West Indies won by 7 wickets. And John Campbell finished the match with a huge six off the bowling of Najmul Hossain Shanto. Hardly anything for Bangladesh to take away from this match, apart from a few individual performances. And this time they had all the star players available, including Shakib Al Hasan, Litton Das, Tamim Iqbal and Mustafizur Rahman. On the other hand, some of the big names were missing from the West Indies squad. One more chance remain for Bangladesh, as the next test match will start by 24th June.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on June 19, 2022, 09:02:51 AM

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The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

Shakib Al Hasan is back in the pavilion but Nurul Hasan is still in the crease and they only lead by 71 runs and with only 3 wickets left and it is a matter of time how long they can delay West Indies from scoring the winning runs. Toss was an important factor in the match and West Indies won the toss and put Bangladesh to bat first and If Bangladesh played well in their first innings it would have been a close game.

Finally the match have ended with a target of 84 runs set for West Indies. Already West Indies have lost 3 wickets scoring 49 runs. If Bangladesh have made little more, then the match would've turned to be more fighting. Bangladesh would've made the same kind of batting at the first innings. Possibly the second test between West Indies and Bangladesh is going to be on the side of Bangladesh.

The match would have been competitive if Bangladesh had been able to deliver a target of 160-170 runs. It would not have been easy to collect 160 runs in the last innings. Moreover, the performance of West Indies batsmen is not very regular. Bangladesh has given a target of only 84 runs. Even if Bangladesh can take 4 or 5 wickets, there is no possibility of winning this match.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 18, 2022, 02:56:11 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 18, 2022, 02:00:40 PM

The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

Shakib Al Hasan is back in the pavilion but Nurul Hasan is still in the crease and they only lead by 71 runs and with only 3 wickets left and it is a matter of time how long they can delay West Indies from scoring the winning runs. Toss was an important factor in the match and West Indies won the toss and put Bangladesh to bat first and If Bangladesh played well in their first innings it would have been a close game.

Finally the match have ended with a target of 84 runs set for West Indies. Already West Indies have lost 3 wickets scoring 49 runs. If Bangladesh have made little more, then the match would've turned to be more fighting. Bangladesh would've made the same kind of batting at the first innings. Possibly the second test between West Indies and Bangladesh is going to be on the side of Bangladesh.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 19, 2022, 06:26:16 AM

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There are some proposals for tier-2 type of WTC for Afg, Ire, Zim + associate nations but for this ICC need to subsidise new set of series, which is hard for them.

I've said couple of times that in a longer run Relegation system could potentially save the Test format but everyone likes Status quo, so here we are.

Not surprised here. Compared to the previous cycle, the ICC funding for associate nations got reduced by more than two-thirds for the current cycle (2015-23). From $65.25 million per year, the funding went down to $20 million per year, and for every test nation it increased by significant amounts. For the next cycle (2023-2031) I am expecting further reductions, as the pig-4 is firmly under control of the ICC after the departure of Shashank Manohar. Within the next 10 years, I expect most of the teams with native players (Netherlands, Scotland, Nepal, Namibia.etc) to face the same fate as that of Zimbabwe and Kenya. And once that happens, there will be no scope for a tier-2 WTC championship.

With this all now I am feeling ICC B-4 has their target and they are trying to reduce test playing nations as they have some good profit from IPL instead of this WTC so they are trying to avoid all suggestions and better ideas for their sack which is not good enough for cricket.

First of all, they need to do bring some solid policy for all countries like about native players and then they need to bring another thing to settle test nations into two groups with first have Eight countries and second have Six which will help them for improving quality and give some better results and financial assistant to all countries.

With this, they will be able to have a strong case for Olympics as well because without any solid policy they will never be in a good position for promoting this game around the globe.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 19, 2022, 06:06:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 10:30:05 PM

A lot of the users were surprised with the poor performance from Bangladesh, but it was somewhat expected for me. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, the performance from the Bongs have been like this only. Once in a while, they will score an upset victory against one of the stronger sides and that will enable them to continue with the current status. IMO, other emerging teams such as Afghanistan also deserves the chances that are being given to Bangladesh. Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

One the main reason why Afghanistan might not get recognised as a test playing nation is due to the present political situation in that country. Bangladesh performance has been degrading in all format not just Test cricket. I am not sure what cannot the Bangladesh board find talents who can play good cricket.

There is no doubt it's a big setback for Afghanistan they can't play at home and most chance it's not possible in the next eight to ten years because no country will travel to this country where no system and law is working anytime anything can happen as we have a few years back in neighboring Pakistan and currently some near to this happening here in Sri Lanka but policies are completely different for all countries.

Even Afghanistan is a very good side and if they can have 5 or 6 test matches annually then surely they could be better especially if they can give better results than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh but it's all in hands of ICC B-4 which have their hypocrisy which is killing this game and if they are not going to change this then surely we are going to have a big drop in cricket playing nations especially in test matches as countries like New Zealand and South Africa have no profit from this format.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 19, 2022, 01:56:15 AM

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There are some proposals for tier-2 type of WTC for Afg, Ire, Zim + associate nations but for this ICC need to subsidise new set of series, which is hard for them.

I've said couple of times that in a longer run Relegation system could potentially save the Test format but everyone likes Status quo, so here we are.

Not surprised here. Compared to the previous cycle, the ICC funding for associate nations got reduced by more than two-thirds for the current cycle (2015-23). From $65.25 million per year, the funding went down to $20 million per year, and for every test nation it increased by significant amounts. For the next cycle (2023-2031) I am expecting further reductions, as the pig-4 is firmly under control of the ICC after the departure of Shashank Manohar. Within the next 10 years, I expect most of the teams with native players (Netherlands, Scotland, Nepal, Namibia.etc) to face the same fate as that of Zimbabwe and Kenya. And once that happens, there will be no scope for a tier-2 WTC championship.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 19, 2022, 06:06:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 10:30:05 PM

A lot of the users were surprised with the poor performance from Bangladesh, but it was somewhat expected for me. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, the performance from the Bongs have been like this only. Once in a while, they will score an upset victory against one of the stronger sides and that will enable them to continue with the current status. IMO, other emerging teams such as Afghanistan also deserves the chances that are being given to Bangladesh. Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

One the main reason why Afghanistan might not get recognised as a test playing nation is due to the present political situation in that country. Bangladesh performance has been degrading in all format not just Test cricket. I am not sure what cannot the Bangladesh board find talents who can play good cricket.

Zimbabwe also lost there test status because of there political situation, so we have one less test playing country by now. I think ICC not revoking Bangladesh test status because already there are handful test playing countries in the world. If Afghanistan given that much time like Bangladesh enjoyed in test then result will be far much better.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 10:30:05 PM

A lot of the users were surprised with the poor performance from Bangladesh, but it was somewhat expected for me. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, the performance from the Bongs have been like this only. Once in a while, they will score an upset victory against one of the stronger sides and that will enable them to continue with the current status. IMO, other emerging teams such as Afghanistan also deserves the chances that are being given to Bangladesh. Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

One the main reason why Afghanistan might not get recognised as a test playing nation is due to the present political situation in that country. Bangladesh performance has been degrading in all format not just Test cricket. I am not sure what cannot the Bangladesh board find talents who can play good cricket.

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Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

If Bangladesh wants to improve the Test format, they will need a long-term plan. And the BCB only needs to produce some players to perform in Test matches.

Yes that's really strange that Afghanistan is not part of Test forma where country like Bangladesh is playing for almost two decades with few handful victories. Right now WIndies need 35 more runs to win and this game is over for Bangladesh. To me Bangladesh is just an associate level team that can do some upset only. If they cant learn cricket in 2 decades then they wont learn it in next decade or so.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 10:30:05 PM

A lot of the users were surprised with the poor performance from Bangladesh, but it was somewhat expected for me. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, the performance from the Bongs have been like this only. Once in a while, they will score an upset victory against one of the stronger sides and that will enable them to continue with the current status. IMO, other emerging teams such as Afghanistan also deserves the chances that are being given to Bangladesh. Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

I was not at all surprised to see the batting performance of Bangladesh. This was to be expected. Bangladesh has always been weak in Test format. A few days ago, the Bangladesh team had a great victory in the first Test match against New Zealand. But in the next match, they lost by an innings margin against New Zealand. Bangladeshi players have very little patience. They are not suitable for the test format. If Bangladesh wants to improve the Test format, they will need a long-term plan. And the BCB only needs to produce some players to perform in Test matches.

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^^ I won't single out Bongs here as every team shit their bed when they tour overseas, losing overseas is not a problem but the way team surrender it irritates the fans.

India always get bundled up badly in NZ, things are getting better in Eng and SA due to competitive series. Aus perform badly against SA, sometimes even at home. Eng always lose in Aus, Ind royally. So it's nothing new. I won't compare Ban with Afg as i believe Afghanis are nowhere near them, might change if they start playing 6-7 test every year.

Being full member doesn't guarantee playing in WTC. It's true for Ireland and Zimbabwe as well, it's no brainer that it's connected to sustainable model of test cricket. When NZ is not making any profit with the test match then how could we expect same from smaller boards. There is a reason that every team play 2-3-4-5 type of bilateral series, you would notice only PIG-3 play 5 test match series.

There are some proposals for tier-2 type of WTC for Afg, Ire, Zim + associate nations but for this ICC need to subsidise new set of series, which is hard for them.

I've said couple of times that in a longer run Relegation system could potentially save the Test format but everyone likes Status quo, so here we are.

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A lot of the users were surprised with the poor performance from Bangladesh, but it was somewhat expected for me. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, the performance from the Bongs have been like this only. Once in a while, they will score an upset victory against one of the stronger sides and that will enable them to continue with the current status. IMO, other emerging teams such as Afghanistan also deserves the chances that are being given to Bangladesh. Why Afghanistan is not a part of the World Test Championship, despite the fact that they are also a full member?

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on June 18, 2022, 02:42:37 PM

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The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

BCB should kick out Mominul Haque from the test squad. They removed him from the captaincy as he wasn't doing well. But still he is playing badly without having the responsibility of leading the team. Actually he is out of form. On the other hand, the new captain Shakib Al Hasan played well in both innings of this test match. The partnership between Shakib and Nurul has broken just now. Bangladesh got a lead of 70 runs until now. I think they are going to loss the reaming 3 wickets quickly. West Indies will easily win this match.

This is nothing new, Bangladesh has been performing like this in test cricket for a long time now and I don't think only by kicking Mominul Haque this is going to be solved. Only two players in the last innings of Bangladesh played well. Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan played well and Joy also played really well under pressure I will say. Other than that I don't think anyone played well at all. It feels like if one or two players do not perform Bangladesh is going to lose and it is inevitable.

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Quote from: jostorres on June 18, 2022, 03:12:48 PM

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The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

Shakib Al Hasan is back in the pavilion but Nurul Hasan is still in the crease and they only lead by 71 runs and with only 3 wickets left and it is a matter of time how long they can delay West Indies from scoring the winning runs. Toss was an important factor in the match and West Indies won the toss and put Bangladesh to bat first and If Bangladesh played well in their first innings it would have been a close game.

The new ball works for Roach and West Indies and he removes both set batsmen now the lead is just 76 runs with Ebdad and Mustfi on the crease for visitors right now it is all about West Indies because this is a very small lead which is not going to hurt them in any way if remaining batsmen able to touch the figure of 120 to 130 then surely it's going to be interesting but it needs some good patience from these batsmen which is inevitable because mostly they are going for the aggressive approach which is not going to help them here. Roach is a very consistent bowler for the home team as he mostly gives them breakthroughs when they needed at a crucial time.

Edit: This time Joseph takes wicket now 245/9

It is the end of day 3 and West Indies only need 35 more runs to win. Bangladesh is not going to win this match in any situation. West Indies obviously do not need two days for scoring 35 runs which also takes away the possibility of a draw. Khaled Ahmed is bowling well but I think in the end it will be in win. After watching this kind of performance I really don't think that Bangladesh should have the test status anymore. And this is not a sudden failure. actually, this is happening on a regular basis in Bangladesh in the Test arena.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 18, 2022, 02:56:11 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 18, 2022, 02:00:40 PM

The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

Shakib Al Hasan is back in the pavilion but Nurul Hasan is still in the crease and they only lead by 71 runs and with only 3 wickets left and it is a matter of time how long they can delay West Indies from scoring the winning runs. Toss was an important factor in the match and West Indies won the toss and put Bangladesh to bat first and If Bangladesh played well in their first innings it would have been a close game.

The new ball works for Roach and West Indies and he removes both set batsmen now the lead is just 76 runs with Ebdad and Mustfi on the crease for visitors right now it is all about West Indies because this is a very small lead which is not going to hurt them in any way if remaining batsmen able to touch the figure of 120 to 130 then surely it's going to be interesting but it needs some good patience from these batsmen which is inevitable because mostly they are going for the aggressive approach which is not going to help them here. Roach is a very consistent bowler for the home team as he mostly gives them breakthroughs when they needed at a crucial time.

Edit: This time Joseph takes wicket now 245/9

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Quote from: Vaskiy on June 18, 2022, 02:00:40 PM

The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

Shakib Al Hasan is back in the pavilion but Nurul Hasan is still in the crease and they only lead by 71 runs and with only 3 wickets left and it is a matter of time how long they can delay West Indies from scoring the winning runs. Toss was an important factor in the match and West Indies won the toss and put Bangladesh to bat first and If Bangladesh played well in their first innings it would have been a close game.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on June 18, 2022, 02:00:40 PM

The scoring from Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are very important for Bangladesh. With this the team can try to increase the chance of losing the match and move it towards a draw. For 109 runs the sixth wicket have fallen, and according to that now the Bangladesh innings would've come to an end. Luckily Shakib Al Hasan and Nurul Hasan are on the crease and doing the best of his ability.

BCB should kick out Mominul Haque from the test squad. They removed him from the captaincy as he wasn't doing well. But still he is playing badly without having the responsibility of leading the team. Actually he is out of form. On the other hand, the new captain Shakib Al Hasan played well in both innings of this test match. The partnership between Shakib and Nurul has broken just now. Bangladesh got a lead of 70 runs until now. I think they are going to loss the reaming 3 wickets quickly. West Indies will easily win this match.

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