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You made an interesting observation.

Yeah, DRS technology can have it's fair amount of flows but when people says that it's manipulated by home broadcaster or someone else (Like Virat and co subly indicated in that test), then its become stupid and if they keep pushing this idea then it's ridiculous. Luckily for Indian team it was former case, kind of brain fade moment in heat of the moment only.

Obviously, The DRS Technology can also have flaws and that is the only reason umpires call exists in cricket.

As far as I know, the rules say that the Technology cannot be 100% accurate all the time so the umpires' call will have certain importance on the decision of the DRS system.
And after all these years it is actually really funny and dumb to see the Indian players doing something like that. Cheesy


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We're approaching the SAvBAN second test, which takes place from April 8th to 12th. Taskin and Shoriful, Bangladesh's two key pace bowlers, will both miss the second Test against SA. Let's hope they recover well from the dreadful performance in the first Test. Even though the first test was marred by controversial umpiring, we cannot deny that Bangladesh batsmen should also take responsibility for their unhealthy wickets given away to South African bowlers.
As Bangladesh lost their first test now I am feeling it's all end for them because there was good chance for them to have some good result which can give them good confidence and positive approach for this second test but just 53 is surely not acceptable from them in chase of 274 runs even umpiring was also big concern for them too many decisions against them, and they were surely feeling not good in this all situation.
 
Now with their few players are going back to home with injuries and South African already won their first match having not good impact on them, and they can lose this match as well. They lost their momentum which was good for them after winning historic ODI series win and South African which were playing without their many key players due to IPL duty was good chance which they already lost.
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LOL.. to be honest, it is pretty stupid to complain about a technology that is as advanced as the DRS. And the less said about the BCCI, that better. They are always late to implement technological innovations. When the DRS was first introduced, all the boards except the BCCI approved it. The opposition from the BCCI meant that it was implemented much later in international matches. And similar technologies are being used in other sports (VAR in football for example) and no one is stupid enough to blame the technology for their defeat.
Yeah, stupid and not going to lie, it was also way too funny. Imagine you playing your last test series as Captain and future generation is going to remember that last series with "screaming at stumps" iconic pic. Cheesy

That time uncle types people were in the charge of the BCCI and Old guard overall hate everything which they don't understand, just for an example see recent crypto tax fuckery in India.

King Kohli..  Grin


Actually, I do understand the emotions of Virat Kohli. Smiley

Nah, I am just kidding Cheesy. That shit was really funny. and this is going to be a memorable thing For a long time in my opinion.

We all know that technology can have flaws but I mean ok a senior player cannot be stupid enough to just go ahead and talk into the stump's mic. 

In all seriousness, I think that's where captains like MS Dhoni were far superior to any other captains. He kept his cool in a lot of bad situations.


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You made an interesting observation.

Yeah, DRS technology can have it's fair amount of flows but when people says that it's manipulated by home broadcaster or someone else (Like Virat and co subly indicated in that test), then its become stupid and if they keep pushing this idea then it's ridiculous. Luckily for Indian team it was former case, kind of brain fade moment in heat of the moment only.
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We're approaching the SAvBAN second test, which takes place from April 8th to 12th. Taskin and Shoriful, Bangladesh's two key pace bowlers, will both miss the second Test against SA. Let's hope they recover well from the dreadful performance in the first Test. Even though the first test was marred by controversial umpiring, we cannot deny that Bangladesh batsmen should also take responsibility for their unhealthy wickets given away to South African bowlers.
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LOL.. to be honest, it is pretty stupid to complain about a technology that is as advanced as the DRS. And the less said about the BCCI, that better. They are always late to implement technological innovations. When the DRS was first introduced, all the boards except the BCCI approved it. The opposition from the BCCI meant that it was implemented much later in international matches. And similar technologies are being used in other sports (VAR in football for example) and no one is stupid enough to blame the technology for their defeat.
Yeah, stupid and not going to lie, it was also way too funny. Imagine you playing your last test series as Captain and future generation is going to remember that last series with "screaming at stumps" iconic pic. Cheesy

That time uncle types people were in the charge of the BCCI and Old guard overall hate everything which they don't understand, just for an example see recent crypto tax fuckery in India.

King Kohli..  Grin


Actually, I do understand the emotions of Virat Kohli. Smiley

Nah, I am just kidding Cheesy. That shit was really funny. and this is going to be a memorable thing For a long time in my opinion.

We all know that technology can have flaws but I mean ok a senior player cannot be stupid enough to just go ahead and talk into the stump's mic. 

In all seriousness, I think that's where captains like MS Dhoni were far superior to any other captains. He kept his cool in a lot of bad situations.


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Even with the worst of the worst umpiring by the host team, if your team gets all out at 53, then all the blame goes to the batting team. With the controversial umpiring you can lose the game but your team cannot get all out at 53. I would say that Bangladesh should stop making excuses for bad umpiring but be ashamed of their very poor batting performance recently.

Umpires are also humans and sometimes they make mistakes. But that doesn't mean that Bangladesh was at the receiving end everytime. I can also list a number of occasions, when they benefitted from these mistakes. All this drama is a diversionary tactic to take attention away from their batting failure. Can you imagine this? 10 of their batsmen got out for 53 runs. And who took the wickets? Two spinners - Keshav Maharaj and Simon Harmer. For heaven's sake Harmer was not even considered for selection for a long time, because he decided to go Kolpak a few years ago. 

Listen, just like the Bangladesh team can not make any excuses because of them getting all out for only 53 runs, ICC  and the whole world can not also avoid the fact that the umpiring in that match was absolutely horrible.

It was really amazing and unbelievable to see that a match was being officiated in such a way. and let me tell you this if the umpiring was not like this, Bangladesh would not have got out for only 53 runs. I am not saying that they would have won the match but the results are obviously could have been different.
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Umpires are also humans and sometimes they make mistakes. But that doesn't mean that Bangladesh was at the receiving end everytime. I can also list a number of occasions, when they benefitted from these mistakes. All this drama is a diversionary tactic to take attention away from their batting failure. Can you imagine this? 10 of their batsmen got out for 53 runs. And who took the wickets? Two spinners - Keshav Maharaj and Simon Harmer. For heaven's sake Harmer was not even considered for selection for a long time, because he decided to go Kolpak a few years ago. 

I am not surprised to see Bangladesh getting out on 53, they are completely capable of doing this blunder. If umpiring is the issue then how they won ODI series? Everything is fine when you win and you blame umpires when you lost. There were two lbw and one caught behind where you can say umpires can do some manipulations rest are all fair dismissal including clean bowled or caught at slips.
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Even with the worst of the worst umpiring by the host team, if your team gets all out at 53, then all the blame goes to the batting team. With the controversial umpiring you can lose the game but your team cannot get all out at 53. I would say that Bangladesh should stop making excuses for bad umpiring but be ashamed of their very poor batting performance recently.

Umpires are also humans and sometimes they make mistakes. But that doesn't mean that Bangladesh was at the receiving end everytime. I can also list a number of occasions, when they benefitted from these mistakes. All this drama is a diversionary tactic to take attention away from their batting failure. Can you imagine this? 10 of their batsmen got out for 53 runs. And who took the wickets? Two spinners - Keshav Maharaj and Simon Harmer. For heaven's sake Harmer was not even considered for selection for a long time, because he decided to go Kolpak a few years ago. 
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Bongs have every right to file a complaint against umpires but what is this sight screen issue here? Anyway Bangladesh should have back all of these allegation with their performance as well, yeah umpiring was shitty but they also got out cheaply.

Sledging is part of the game, which i enjoy very much but my sympathy is with Bongs. South African team is no saint and they do play dirty at home. I remember Indian team last 3 tours and every tour had some sort of controversy. Indian did lost all the series but every series was very tough for the SA, they even accused that Indian seamers were trying to hurt them physically with their bowling or refused to play because pitch was dangerous etc etc.

South Africa umpiring is once again criticised by touring country. We saw same complains previously by India in January, when DRS was manipulated. Now, Bangladesh Call For Neutral Umpires After South Africa Controversy. I haven't seen the match but something is seriously wrong with SA umpiring and icc  must look into it.

Even with the worst of the worst umpiring by the host team, if your team gets all out at 53, then all the blame goes to the batting team. With the controversial umpiring you can lose the game but your team cannot get all out at 53. I would say that Bangladesh should stop making excuses for bad umpiring but be ashamed of their very poor batting performance recently.
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In presence of technology things like these surely not acceptable South African doing very poor job in last few months, and it's creating problems for some other countries as well they need to change their mind-set for this all.

With umpires there were few issues also coming out due to their behavior and sledging which is not good they need to play fair games with fair mind-set if they have no first choice players due IPL then surely they can call off this series but doing things like this to win a match and series is surely dirty game by all management they already faced some issues like this in the past.

I was expecting some good resistance from Bangladesh but after checking all details and few videos now feeling bad for Bangladesh players and have no respect for South African cricket and their management.

Sledging is something done by big players like Starc, McGrath of Australia or Steyn of SA, I don't know who current players of SA can do sledging. They should focus on there play rather trying to be over smart as they have already lost ODI series to Bangladesh for the first time in history.
Are there any videos of how umpires turn to game towards SA?
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Well to be honest DRS can't be manipulated and host broadcaster has no control on DRS system. Independent body, i guess ICC manage all the DRS review.

Dean Elgar did look out to naked eye but you have to trust the technology. So IMO Indian players specially KL, Ashwin, Kohli looked like a bunch of idiots at that time. Particularly KL "" Whole country playing against 11 guys" statement and Kohli screaming at stumps like a child was top notch meme content lol.

LOL.. to be honest, it is pretty stupid to complain about a technology that is as advanced as the DRS. And the less said about the BCCI, that better. They are always late to implement technological innovations. When the DRS was first introduced, all the boards except the BCCI approved it. The opposition from the BCCI meant that it was implemented much later in international matches. And similar technologies are being used in other sports (VAR in football for example) and no one is stupid enough to blame the technology for their defeat.
Yeah, stupid and not going to lie, it was also way too funny. Imagine you playing your last test series as Captain and future generation is going to remember that last series with "screaming at stumps" iconic pic. Cheesy

That time uncle types people were in the charge of the BCCI and Old guard overall hate everything which they don't understand, just for an example see recent crypto tax fuckery in India.

King Kohli..  Grin
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Well to be honest DRS can't be manipulated and host broadcaster has no control on DRS system. Independent body, i guess ICC manage all the DRS review.

Dean Elgar did look out to naked eye but you have to trust the technology. So IMO Indian players specially KL, Ashwin, Kohli looked like a bunch of idiots at that time. Particularly KL "" Whole country playing against 11 guys" statement and Kohli screaming at stumps like a child was top notch meme content lol.

LOL.. to be honest, it is pretty stupid to complain about a technology that is as advanced as the DRS. And the less said about the BCCI, that better. They are always late to implement technological innovations. When the DRS was first introduced, all the boards except the BCCI approved it. The opposition from the BCCI meant that it was implemented much later in international matches. And similar technologies are being used in other sports (VAR in football for example) and no one is stupid enough to blame the technology for their defeat.

Yes in early days BCCI was the one who was not in favour of DRS despite being a country that has huge IT exports. I dont think DRS cant be manipulated by the broadcaster. We saw similar incident in 2011 semi final when Saeed Ajmal decision was over turned by DRS, umpire Ian Gould still firmly stand on his decision of out. Can someone share details of who controls the DRS, is it something patent or every broadcaster has its own DRS system.
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Well to be honest DRS can't be manipulated and host broadcaster has no control on DRS system. Independent body, i guess ICC manage all the DRS review.

Dean Elgar did look out to naked eye but you have to trust the technology. So IMO Indian players specially KL, Ashwin, Kohli looked like a bunch of idiots at that time. Particularly KL "" Whole country playing against 11 guys" statement and Kohli screaming at stumps like a child was top notch meme content lol.

LOL.. to be honest, it is pretty stupid to complain about a technology that is as advanced as the DRS. And the less said about the BCCI, that better. They are always late to implement technological innovations. When the DRS was first introduced, all the boards except the BCCI approved it. The opposition from the BCCI meant that it was implemented much later in international matches. And similar technologies are being used in other sports (VAR in football for example) and no one is stupid enough to blame the technology for their defeat.
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We saw same complains previously by India in January, when DRS was manipulated.
Well to be honest DRS can't be manipulated and host broadcaster has no control on DRS system. Independent body, i guess ICC manage all the DRS review.

Dean Elgar did look out to naked eye but you have to trust the technology. So IMO Indian players specially KL, Ashwin, Kohli looked like a bunch of idiots at that time. Particularly KL "" Whole country playing against 11 guys" statement and Kohli screaming at stumps like a child was top notch meme content lol.

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South Africa umpiring is once again criticised by touring country. We saw same complains previously by India in January, when DRS was manipulated. Now, Bangladesh Call For Neutral Umpires After South Africa Controversy. I haven't seen the match but something is seriously wrong with SA umpiring and icc  must look into it.
In presence of technology things like these surely not acceptable South African doing very poor job in last few months, and it's creating problems for some other countries as well they need to change their mind-set for this all.

With umpires there were few issues also coming out due to their behavior and sledging which is not good they need to play fair games with fair mind-set if they have no first choice players due IPL then surely they can call off this series but doing things like this to win a match and series is surely dirty game by all management they already faced some issues like this in the past.

I was expecting some good resistance from Bangladesh but after checking all details and few videos now feeling bad for Bangladesh players and have no respect for South African cricket and their management.

I have to say South Africa did really do a bad job. This type of umpiring is absolutely unacceptable. and it would have been a lot more problematic for South Africa if Bangladesh actually could have gone closer to the target.

But obviously, the fact that South Africa did this hideous thing should not be avoided just because of the fact that Bangladesh did not get close to the target. and obviously, I am not saying that Bangladesh lost just because of the bad decisions. But I can certainly say that the score would have been different if something like this did not happen.
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South Africa umpiring is once again criticised by touring country. We saw same complains previously by India in January, when DRS was manipulated. Now, Bangladesh Call For Neutral Umpires After South Africa Controversy. I haven't seen the match but something is seriously wrong with SA umpiring and icc  must look into it.
In presence of technology things like these surely not acceptable South African doing very poor job in last few months, and it's creating problems for some other countries as well they need to change their mind-set for this all.

With umpires there were few issues also coming out due to their behavior and sledging which is not good they need to play fair games with fair mind-set if they have no first choice players due IPL then surely they can call off this series but doing things like this to win a match and series is surely dirty game by all management they already faced some issues like this in the past.

I was expecting some good resistance from Bangladesh but after checking all details and few videos now feeling bad for Bangladesh players and have no respect for South African cricket and their management.
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I really don't understand what is the problem with Bangladesh batsmen in test cricket. do they need to go to the restroom right after they come to the crease? 

I really don't understand what is the problem. it's not like we don't have good enough players to play test cricket. we do have there like Mushfiqur Rahim, Mominul Haque and others who can play really well. in my opinion I think it's just the mentality because they are playing more freely in oneday internationals and T20. But in Test cricket, I think they are under a certain pressure to prove themselves.
After watching highlights of this match I am feeling there were no problems with Bangladesh batting it's all about umpiring which kill their dream of first win in this match in presence of the latest technology and all things still decisions like these are not acceptable and surely ICC needs to act with some stick hands because we can't afford things like these in test cricket if we want to bring some good interesting results and better crowd.

Hopefully now after complaint from BCB, ICC will think again about neutral umpiring and give some better use of technology as well because it needs some quick and better response if you want positive things in test cricket. Maharaj was hero for South Africa in their first win in this series, congrats to them for their this win.

As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I think nothing hurts me more to see the Bangladesh cricket team getting out because of Bullshit decisions. 

But at the same time, I have to say that they got all out for only 53. If it was 200 then I would have said it was absolutely the fault of the umpires but in this case, I really have to say the Bangladesh team needs to get better first. you just cannot get all out for only 53 runs and expect everyone to believe that it was the fault of the umpires and without these decisions, they would have won the match.
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Bongs have every right to file a complaint against umpires but what is this sight screen issue here? Anyway Bangladesh should have back all of these allegation with their performance as well, yeah umpiring was shitty but they also got out cheaply.

Sledging is part of the game, which i enjoy very much but my sympathy is with Bongs. South African team is no saint and they do play dirty at home. I remember Indian team last 3 tours and every tour had some sort of controversy. Indian did lost all the series but every series was very tough for the SA, they even accused that Indian seamers were trying to hurt them physically with their bowling or refused to play because pitch was dangerous etc etc.

South Africa umpiring is once again criticised by touring country. We saw same complains previously by India in January, when DRS was manipulated. Now, Bangladesh Call For Neutral Umpires After South Africa Controversy. I haven't seen the match but something is seriously wrong with SA umpiring and icc  must look into it.
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Bongs have every right to file a complaint against umpires but what is this sight screen issue here? Anyway Bangladesh should have back all of these allegation with their performance as well, yeah umpiring was shitty but they also got out cheaply.

Sledging is part of the game, which i enjoy very much but my sympathy is with Bongs. South African team is no saint and they do play dirty at home. I remember Indian team last 3 tours and every tour had some sort of controversy. Indian did lost all the series but every series was very tough for the SA, they even accused that Indian seamers were trying to hurt them physically with their bowling or refused to play because pitch was dangerous etc etc.

Bangladesh simply cannot get all out for 53 runs and say the umpiring was bad. if the score was close and they lost only because of that decisions then I think it would have sounded a lot more convincing but when you are getting out for only 53 runs you just should not have the audacity to say something like that.

yes, it was bad but not bad enough to get the whole team out for only 53 runs.

I know a lot of people enjoy Sledging but I think cricket is a respected sport. It is A Gentleman's sport. and it should be played in such a way. I know that people or players like to have a psychological advantage in the match but oftentimes they go out of their boundaries to do so.



Agree with you, ICC shouldn't allow any home or away team umpires in international series. A neutral umpire will make the decision less questionable. All of the players and team management of Bangladesh are dissatisfied with the umpires decision. Each team have the option to take review, but they don't do it always as the number of reviews are limited (2 review per innings). The captain of Bangladesh has also said about the intolerable sledging of South African players. They will ask ICC to take steps against those: Bangladesh to lodge formal complaint with ICC against Durban Test umpiring
Sledging is just a part of the game and Bangladeshis need to get along. The only solution is to give it back with the same intensity. India was at the receiving end a decade or so ago. I guess it was Sreesanth who first retaliated against this practice (during a match with Australia). Now Kohli and his boys have gone a step further and are being regarded as some of the worst bullies in international cricket. So there are two options - either you need to ignore the sledging, or you need to retaliate with the same potency. 

Honestly, I don't even think that the Bangladeshi players know how to sledge or how Sledging works. and they would have given it back with the same intensity if they did not take cricket as their hobby and played cricket as they are professional cricketers. only one player of Bangladesh who really understands this is Shakib Al Hasan.
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I think ICC should give green light to neutral umpires again, covid is here to stay and teams are frequently travelling so why not neutral umpires for any series? I don't think in modern times home umpires are intentionally give biased decision(due to technology) but having neutral umpires is fair practice, at least then no one would accused them of being biased and might concentrate on main problem, which is bad umpiring (ICC Elite Panel).
Agree with you, ICC shouldn't allow any home or away team umpires in international series. A neutral umpire will make the decision less questionable. All of the players and team management of Bangladesh are dissatisfied with the umpires decision. Each team have the option to take review, but they don't do it always as the number of reviews are limited (2 review per innings). The captain of Bangladesh has also said about the intolerable sledging of South African players. They will ask ICC to take steps against those: Bangladesh to lodge formal complaint with ICC against Durban Test umpiring
Bongs have every right to file a complaint against umpires but what is this sight screen issue here? Anyway Bangladesh should have back all of these allegation with their performance as well, yeah umpiring was shitty but they also got out cheaply.

Sledging is part of the game, which i enjoy very much but my sympathy is with Bongs. South African team is no saint and they do play dirty at home. I remember Indian team last 3 tours and every tour had some sort of controversy. Indian did lost all the series but every series was very tough for the SA, they even accused that Indian seamers were trying to hurt them physically with their bowling or refused to play because pitch was dangerous etc etc.
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