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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 15, 2021, 02:26:32 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.

True, but the fact that bowlers like Broad and Anderson who have basically established themselves as legends in the test format weren't included in the line-up surprised many fans around the world which led to Root getting criticised.

The English batsmen excluding Root need to step up their game though since their batting averages which you shared in one of your previous posts are mediocre.

Management and coach Silverwood playing 4d chess (they are big on rotation policy which is not helping anymore), for some weird reasons they believe that pink ball setup suits their team's strength and they wanted their best bowlers to fresh for the Pink ball hence no Broad-Jimmy. Bizarre thinking considering whenever they play Pink ball test in away condition, they gets hammered by opposition.

I personally believe they decided to surprise Australia thinking it would work for them, but the jokes on them because it backfired spectacularly. Furthermore their over reliance on Stokes shows how weak their planning actually is, and for this the selectors and the board too should take responsibility for failing to prepare a competitive side.

Furthermore, David Warner will not be resting in the 2nd test and he will play even though he had the damaged rib. I remember that warner did not field in the second innings of the 1st test match. I don't understand why Australians need to play him even though he is not fully fit.
This decision may be beneficial to England Huh

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 14, 2021, 10:57:00 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.

True, but the fact that bowlers like Broad and Anderson who have basically established themselves as legends in the test format weren't included in the line-up surprised many fans around the world which led to Root getting criticised.

The English batsmen excluding Root need to step up their game though since their batting averages which you shared in one of your previous posts are mediocre.

Management and coach Silverwood playing 4d chess (they are big on rotation policy which is not helping anymore), for some weird reasons they believe that pink ball setup suits their team's strength and they wanted their best bowlers to fresh for the Pink ball hence no Broad-Jimmy. Bizarre thinking considering whenever they play Pink ball test in away condition, they gets hammered by opposition.

I personally believe they decided to surprise Australia thinking it would work for them, but the jokes on them because it backfired spectacularly. Furthermore their over reliance on Stokes shows how weak their planning actually is, and for this the selectors and the board too should take responsibility for failing to prepare a competitive side.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 14, 2021, 03:32:01 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.

True, but the fact that bowlers like Broad and Anderson who have basically established themselves as legends in the test format weren't included in the line-up surprised many fans around the world which led to Root getting criticised.

The English batsmen excluding Root need to step up their game though since their batting averages which you shared in one of your previous posts are mediocre.

Management and coach Silverwood playing 4d chess (they are big on rotation policy which is not helping anymore), for some weird reasons they believe that pink ball setup suits their team's strength and they wanted their best bowlers to fresh for the Pink ball hence no Broad-Jimmy. Bizarre thinking considering whenever they play Pink ball test in away condition, they gets hammered by opposition.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 14, 2021, 03:32:01 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.

True, but the fact that bowlers like Broad and Anderson who have basically established themselves as legends in the test format weren't included in the line-up surprised many fans around the world which led to Root getting criticised.

The English batsmen excluding Root need to step up their game though since their batting averages which you shared in one of your previous posts are mediocre.

This was shocking decision from Root about Anderson/Broad just because of this he faced some serious criticized from cricket community because their batting is not helping them in last few years with many dumb players only Root alone doing some better with the help of these legendary bowlers and this time he tries some experiment which give them big lesson hopefully now in second test they could be able to have some better result.

Still they need to do some good work for test quality batsmen as they have world's best domestic set up, but it's not able to give them good quality better technique batsmen. Now, Australia also having some problems with injuries, but their bench power is very good for them to handle these things in better way.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.

True, but the fact that bowlers like Broad and Anderson who have basically established themselves as legends in the test format weren't included in the line-up surprised many fans around the world which led to Root getting criticised.

The English batsmen excluding Root need to step up their game though since their batting averages which you shared in one of your previous posts are mediocre.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2021, 10:05:10 PM

These sort of decisions can go both ways. This time it failed and Root needs to admit his mistake. He went ahead with the combination of Chris Woakes/Ollie Robinson/Mark Wood. These three bowlers took 9 wickets in total, after conceding 239 runs. As you can see, these figures doesn't look too bad. The failure was from the part of the spinners (Jack Leach) and the part-time bowler (Ben Stokes). Anyway, it was a blunder to leave out two of the most experienced pacers (who are among the top wicket takers in test cricket at this point).

Good thing he admits his mistake but still they are not doing good things which give them very poor result mean batting in both innings they have nothing special from any batsman and now still going with these culprits which are not able to perform here in these conditions on other side they are having some good confidence on Stokes which is not fully fit for this series because of his injury and having not good practice for some long time.

Now less than 36 hours in start of second test and too much talk about bowling from England side is good, but they need some good at batting as well which is surely again going to create problems for them in presence of quality Aussies bowlers at their own home.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2021, 10:53:47 PM

- Jimmy-Broad are available for the selection. Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.
- Rohit Sharma is ruled out from the South Africa Test series due to serious hamstring injury.
- Priyank Panchal replaces Rohit as test opener. (He's playing with India A in South Africa already). My boii Vihari is also there and looking good so far.

Absolutely right the main culprit in the first ashes test were batsman. They collapsed in 1st innings and also in second innings after the partnership between root and malan they collapsed. This is the major issue for them at the moment their batting. Even the return of broad and anderson wont make any difference if their batting unit keep performing like this.

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- Jimmy-Broad are available for the selection. Every pundit focusing on bowler's fault, kinda weird cause main culprits were batters.
- Rohit Sharma is ruled out from the South Africa Test series due to serious hamstring injury.
- Priyank Panchal replaces Rohit as test opener. (He's playing with India A in South Africa already). My boii Vihari is also there and looking good so far.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 13, 2021, 02:55:01 PM

Root is usually good at delivering interviews, but messed up big-time this time around. What on earth was he thinking leaving out both Anderson and Broad from the lineup? Stupid and nonsensical strategy.

Almost everyone are criticising him for these decisions. Root along with his team need to seriously rethink their strategies.

Also, England are great at bowling in Adelaide and Melbourne which could rattle the Australian batting line-up. Warner and Hazlewood getting injured and replaced adds to their woes. Expecting intense contests.

These sort of decisions can go both ways. This time it failed and Root needs to admit his mistake. He went ahead with the combination of Chris Woakes/Ollie Robinson/Mark Wood. These three bowlers took 9 wickets in total, after conceding 239 runs. As you can see, these figures doesn't look too bad. The failure was from the part of the spinners (Jack Leach) and the part-time bowler (Ben Stokes). Anyway, it was a blunder to leave out two of the most experienced pacers (who are among the top wicket takers in test cricket at this point).

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 13, 2021, 02:55:01 PM

Root is usually good at delivering interviews, but messed up big-time this time around. What on earth was he thinking leaving out both Anderson and Broad from the lineup? Stupid and nonsensical strategy.

Almost everyone are criticising him for these decisions. Root along with his team need to seriously rethink their strategies.

Also, England are great at bowling in Adelaide and Melbourne which could rattle the Australian batting line-up. Warner and Hazlewood getting injured and replaced adds to their woes. Expecting intense contests.

England's start is not good as they are messed up with bowlers selection and their batting is also not having some good out put which is the biggest concern right now, Root is doing some bad mistakes which are causing more problems. Now they are heading for Adelaide where Australia having very good record against them 18 wins 8 loses and just 3 draws in last 2 matches Australia won very comfortably. With current batting line-up and preferring injured Stokes to Broad was very poor from them now they have to do some better strategy if they want to have some better result of this test match.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 13, 2021, 12:42:46 PM

News coming in are that both Anderson and Broad are fit and will be included in second match squad. Its stunning to see Root defending the omission of these two bowlers from first test.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-cricket-team-news-joe-root-2nd-ashes-test-selection-adelaide-1347909/amp

Root is usually good at delivering interviews, but messed up big-time this time around. What on earth was he thinking leaving out both Anderson and Broad from the lineup? Stupid and nonsensical strategy.

Almost everyone are criticising him for these decisions. Root along with his team need to seriously rethink their strategies.

Also, England are great at bowling in Adelaide and Melbourne which could rattle the Australian batting line-up. Warner and Hazlewood getting injured and replaced adds to their woes. Expecting intense contests.

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Quote from: perfect999 on December 13, 2021, 11:13:39 AM

I believe it's big blunder from English team that they are dependent on an injured player and having no faith in Stuart Broad which was good and inform bowler now they need to do some good changes for second test as now they have very small-time for preparations in next few days 2 tests are waiting for them. They need some good changes into batting line-up as well their most batsmen have no good experience to play here in Australia and bowling attack is also very strong, so they have very few chances with these things hopefully now in second test match we will have legendary duo of Anderson and Broad back into attack.

News coming in are that both Anderson and Broad are fit and will be included in second match squad. Its stunning to see Root defending the omission of these two bowlers from first test.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-cricket-team-news-joe-root-2nd-ashes-test-selection-adelaide-1347909/amp

Jack Leach may not be included in second test after seeing his performance in first test. From batting prespective I don't think they have much options, current squad is the best one. They can consider replacing Haseeb but don't have anyother opener in there squad.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 13, 2021, 06:19:40 AM

Here are some interesting facts about first test,

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Fast-bowling veterans Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad have an incredible 1,156 Test scalps between them, yet were left out.
Former Australian captain Ricky Ponting said he was stunned, particularly since Broad removed dangerman David Warner seven times at the last Ashes.

Source: https://sports.ndtv.com/the-ashes-2021-22/ben-stokes-struggles-joe-roots-bad-call-what-we-learned-from-1st-ashes-test-2646504

English team is too much dependent on Ben stokes that even he wasnt 100% fit, he was included in the team. He was having a knee niggle that doesnt allow him to perform his 100%.

I believe it's big blunder from English team that they are dependent on an injured player and having no faith in Stuart Broad which was good and inform bowler now they need to do some good changes for second test as now they have very small-time for preparations in next few days 2 tests are waiting for them. They need some good changes into batting line-up as well their most batsmen have no good experience to play here in Australia and bowling attack is also very strong, so they have very few chances with these things hopefully now in second test match we will have legendary duo of Anderson and Broad back into attack.

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Here are some interesting facts about first test,

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Fast-bowling veterans Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad have an incredible 1,156 Test scalps between them, yet were left out.
Former Australian captain Ricky Ponting said he was stunned, particularly since Broad removed dangerman David Warner seven times at the last Ashes.

Source: https://sports.ndtv.com/the-ashes-2021-22/ben-stokes-struggles-joe-roots-bad-call-what-we-learned-from-1st-ashes-test-2646504

English team is too much dependent on Ben stokes that even he wasnt 100% fit, he was included in the team. He was having a knee niggle that doesnt allow him to perform his 100%.

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Looks like Australia are in trouble since two of their in-form players(Warner and Hazlewood) got injured in the first test and have already left the squad. Richardson and Khawaja have been called in as their replacements.

Haven't seen either of these players in action for a long time now and this could provide the boost that England desperately needs currently in the series.

Both are important players. Richardson played his last test match against Sri Lanka. During this time he was playing on different other formats of cricket. So, as a right arm fast bowler he needs to help the team in taking early wickets. Khwaja have played against England in his last test match. Both have got a big gap in playing test cricket. Last test match played by them was back in 2019. Lets see what these players gonna contribute.

There is no doubt these both were very good players, but Australia is having some good advantages which are going to help them now in remaining series and with these both players they are not going to have any side effect on team newly both players are also had good experience and can handle their positions in positive way for their winning team.

Currently, all troubles with England which is looking for winning combination which is most important for them in first test we have only Root for them who was on target and give some resistance all other players were not near their positive way and collapse in both innings having not good impression.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 12, 2021, 03:29:29 PM

Looks like Australia are in trouble since two of their in-form players(Warner and Hazlewood) got injured in the first test and have already left the squad. Richardson and Khawaja have been called in as their replacements.

Haven't seen either of these players in action for a long time now and this could provide the boost that England desperately needs currently in the series.

Wasn't serious injury but i think they are taking precautionary measure which is necessary in 5 matches series. Jye Richardson did good in some white ball cricket but they should also consider Pattinson, he's scary bowler. Khawaja is one unlucky individual who can't catch a break. He was supposed to bat for Australia at no 3, 4 or 5 but Marnus-Smith and now Travis Head cemented their position for long run. Khawaja is talented tho, he could bat anywhere. Although i would still prefer Warner when playing at home conditions.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 12, 2021, 03:29:29 PM

Looks like Australia are in trouble since two of their in-form players(Warner and Hazlewood) got injured in the first test and have already left the squad. Richardson and Khawaja have been called in as their replacements.

Haven't seen either of these players in action for a long time now and this could provide the boost that England desperately needs currently in the series.

Both are important players. Richardson played his last test match against Sri Lanka. During this time he was playing on different other formats of cricket. So, as a right arm fast bowler he needs to help the team in taking early wickets. Khwaja have played against England in his last test match. Both have got a big gap in playing test cricket. Last test match played by them was back in 2019. Lets see what these players gonna contribute.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 12, 2021, 01:55:01 PM

The field umpire these days are not empowered anymore as they were once, since almost everything these days is monitored by technology. I think rather then increasing number of umpires, its better to eliminate them completely and install cameras that can give 100% accurate results. Field umpire these days are just dummies.

May be good decision but not going to happen in near future because right now no sport is completely managing by technology we need referee's and empires in all way which is very important for the game. Just giving them too much technology is also hurting game very badly because first all no balls were given by stand in umpires and now by third empire which is not ideal they need to have just check by third umpire and all decisions by standing umpire is still good for better game and better results.

With the involvement of umpire it's more hassle and confusion as we have in first test of The Ashes which won by Australia and still many talks about this all which drama happen in game.

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Looks like Australia are in trouble since two of their in-form players(Warner and Hazlewood) got injured in the first test and have already left the squad. Richardson and Khawaja have been called in as their replacements.

Haven't seen either of these players in action for a long time now and this could provide the boost that England desperately needs currently in the series.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2021, 06:09:37 AM

Humans can never be as accurate as machines. In an ODI match, the umpire needs to be out there with 100% focus for the entire duration (100 overs), while the players need to concentrate only on a much smaller duration. My solution would be to have a change in umpires every 10 overs or so. Instead of three umpires, lets have 6, with them changing every 10 or 15 overs in a rotational basis. This will hopefully keep the umpires in better morale and will reduce the chances of any error from their part.

The field umpire these days are not empowered anymore as they were once, since almost everything these days is monitored by technology. I think rather then increasing number of umpires, its better to eliminate them completely and install cameras that can give 100% accurate results. Field umpire these days are just dummies.

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