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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2021, 09:50:07 PM

With the more experienced players, there is hardly anything that the board could do. On many occasions we have seen West Indian players refusing to play international matches, since they are busy with franchise cricket. The same can be said about Australian players like David Warner. The boards are unable to force them, since these players may otherwise retire form international cricket to concentrate fully on franchise leagues. Anyway, none of the players prefer the test format. Too much work, and too little pay.

You are right There are very few players who prefer the Test format. Many players participate in the Test format due to the pressure of the board, while many play in this format thinking about the country. The focus of all the famous players is on the franchise league. Because here they can earn a very large amount of money by performing in a few matches. If the Test format is to survive, then of course all the cricket boards have to come up with some tough measures and policies.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 09, 2021, 04:14:34 AM

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Pig-3? Lol. That cracked me up. Some players play well in all formats(Steven Smith, Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah, Rohit Sharma, Ben Stokes etc) which is mutually beneficial to both the boards and the players.

This is the reason why completely different teams for different formats isn't really beneficial in my opinion.

Virat, Bumrah takes regular break from the LOI because of workload, i remember many LOI series where they were not part of the squad. Smith-Warner also skipped low profile series in the past (Not Tests) and they don't play in any league except IPL, recently they backed out from the 100. Rohit being in the Tests team regularly is new thing.

In modern times schedule is packed for good or bad reasons and IMO this amount of cricket is not possible for every player. Once a while some players can take part in all 3 format but not continuously, just look at the 3 recent examples Stokes took break from the cricket due to mental health. Archer is Struggling with injuries and can't play in recent series against India, T-20 WC and The Ashes. Pandaya used to play 3 format now his body is not allowing him to ball.

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With the more experienced players, there is hardly anything that the board could do. On many occasions we have seen West Indian players refusing to play international matches, since they are busy with franchise cricket. The same can be said about Australian players like David Warner. The boards are unable to force them, since these players may otherwise retire form international cricket to concentrate fully on franchise leagues. Anyway, none of the players prefer the test format. Too much work, and too little pay.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 09, 2021, 06:31:35 AM

It is not beneficial to the board, but definitely it is beneficial to the players. If a player takes part in all the three formats, and at the same time he participates in 2-3 franchise T20 leagues, then he will be hardly having any free time. For the Indian players, it may be OK. Because they don't take part in foreign franchise T20 leagues. But take the case of someone like Kieron Pollard or David Warner. It is not possible for these guys to play in all the three formats, because they will be busy with multiple T20 leagues.

Do you think the cricket boards will be thinking much about the players, there is a rift going on with the players in almost all of the cricket boards especially West Indies, Pakistan cricket board always had issues with the players and Bangladesh board is also not in good terms with some of the players and recently i heard about the Sri Lankan board having issues with the players and disputes regarding the contracts.

The players want more freedom and finance due to new franchise leagues around the globe and the board does not want them to play and they need to focus on the International schedule and that is where the fights starts and basically the structure need to evolve if they want cricket to be popular like football with club having the priority than international games Grin

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 09, 2021, 04:14:34 AM

This is the reason why completely different teams for different formats isn't really beneficial in my opinion.

It is not beneficial to the board, but definitely it is beneficial to the players. If a player takes part in all the three formats, and at the same time he participates in 2-3 franchise T20 leagues, then he will be hardly having any free time. For the Indian players, it may be OK. Because they don't take part in foreign franchise T20 leagues. But take the case of someone like Kieron Pollard or David Warner. It is not possible for these guys to play in all the three formats, because they will be busy with multiple T20 leagues.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 08, 2021, 10:05:15 PM

The only viable solution is to have two completely different teams for test and the limited overs format. It will allow the national team players to make some money by playing in franchise T20, and at the same time they can stay away from the time-wasting test format. The Pig-3 can easily do this. They can form separate teams and maintain the quality. But the same can't be said about the lower tier test teams such as South Africa, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, which are overdependent on a few players.

Pig-3? Lol. That cracked me up. Some players play well in all formats(Steven Smith, Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah, Rohit Sharma, Ben Stokes etc) which is mutually beneficial to both the boards and the players.

This is the reason why completely different teams for different formats isn't really beneficial in my opinion.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 08, 2021, 03:06:05 PM

I wouldn't suggest any reserve day for the test cricket, majority of test playing nations struggling to generate enough revenue and they are always in loss when they schedule any test series, 1 extra day would hurt their economic model more, this is one of the main reason some cricketing board were trying to reduce 5 days cricket to 4 days. Although this doesn't apply to PIG-3 bilateral series or when India play with other member.

IMO The best possible solution would be some kind of mutual contract between PIG-3 (no interference from the ICC), they have resources so they can afford extra day for their bilateral series, these series generate enough revenue. Schedule can posses some challenges but it looks manageable if we dig deeper. for example rotation policy for players, 2 different team for Tests and LOI etc.

The only viable solution is to have two completely different teams for test and the limited overs format. It will allow the national team players to make some money by playing in franchise T20, and at the same time they can stay away from the time-wasting test format. The Pig-3 can easily do this. They can form separate teams and maintain the quality. But the same can't be said about the lower tier test teams such as South Africa, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, which are overdependent on a few players.

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Rain has been stopped and it highly possible to start match. Currently tea Break .... We all waiting for next update. Pitch outfield very moisture ... So spinner and fast ball can beat any batsman....

The match is called off without a single ball being bowled on the final day and the advantage was for India coming into the final day and i thought they could have won the match considering the batting line up they have and the total was not that huge. India needs to regroup and play like this throughout the tournament and if there is no rain interruption we could see a competitive series because i am sick of these stale draws due to bad weather.

Due to the bad weather effect India vs england first test match drawn without bowled. England team very pleased other side India cricket team very disappointed because Indian team can beat england very simply.

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Quote from: kro55 on August 08, 2021, 12:00:10 PM

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Maybe the ICC should start adding a reserve day, in case more than 180 overs of the match gets washed out? Due to the COVID pandemic, a number of bilateral tours are now being played in off-season, and this increases the risk of washouts. Also the global climate change is resulting in increasingly irregular weather across the globe. The broadcasters are losing money, but the cricket boards themselves are not directly affected. At this point, the minimum that the ICC can do is to add a reserve day.

I think the ICC should add reserve day. Because if the matches are not broadcast, the broadcasting TV channels are damaged. And these broadcasting TV channels are a major source of income for each board. So the ICC should keep a reserve day in each series even if it thinks of the broadcasters.

I wouldn't suggest any reserve day for the test cricket, majority of test playing nations struggling to generate enough revenue and they are always in loss when they schedule any test series, 1 extra day would hurt their economic model more, this is one of the main reason some cricketing board were trying to reduce 5 days cricket to 4 days. Although this doesn't apply to PIG-3 bilateral series or when India play with other member.

IMO The best possible solution would be some kind of mutual contract between PIG-3 (no interference from the ICC), they have resources so they can afford extra day for their bilateral series, these series generate enough revenue. Schedule can posses some challenges but it looks manageable if we dig deeper. for example rotation policy for players, 2 different team for Tests and LOI etc.

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Quote from: kro55 on August 08, 2021, 12:00:10 PM

I think the ICC should add reserve day. Because if the matches are not broadcast, the broadcasting TV channels are damaged. And these broadcasting TV channels are a major source of income for each board. So the ICC should keep a reserve day in each series even if it thinks of the broadcasters.

I really doubt whether they would do that. A few months back, they were discussing about reducing the duration of test matches by 1 day (i.e to make it 4-day matches instead of 5-day). And here we are talking just the opposite (to increase the duration from 5 days to 6 days). First of all, the popularity of test format is falling like a rock. No amount of tweaking by the ICC is going to slow it down. Cricket fans want more of T20 cricket, but the oldies of the ICC are still romantically attached to the test format.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 08, 2021, 10:06:28 AM

The Olympics were way more entertaining than the first test match between India and England which was boring and ended as a draw. England got lucky since India looked like they would easily win.

Rain continues wreaking havoc as usual and it could affect the upcoming matches between them destroying another high profile series. Sad!

Maybe the ICC should start adding a reserve day, in case more than 180 overs of the match gets washed out? Due to the COVID pandemic, a number of bilateral tours are now being played in off-season, and this increases the risk of washouts. Also the global climate change is resulting in increasingly irregular weather across the globe. The broadcasters are losing money, but the cricket boards themselves are not directly affected. At this point, the minimum that the ICC can do is to add a reserve day.

I think the ICC should add reserve day. Because if the matches are not broadcast, the broadcasting TV channels are damaged. And these broadcasting TV channels are a major source of income for each board. So the ICC should keep a reserve day in each series even if it thinks of the broadcasters.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 08, 2021, 10:06:28 AM

The Olympics were way more entertaining than the first test match between India and England which was boring and ended as a draw. England got lucky since India looked like they would easily win.

Rain continues wreaking havoc as usual and it could affect the upcoming matches between them destroying another high profile series. Sad!

Maybe the ICC should start adding a reserve day, in case more than 180 overs of the match gets washed out? Due to the COVID pandemic, a number of bilateral tours are now being played in off-season, and this increases the risk of washouts. Also the global climate change is resulting in increasingly irregular weather across the globe. The broadcasters are losing money, but the cricket boards themselves are not directly affected. At this point, the minimum that the ICC can do is to add a reserve day.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 08, 2021, 10:06:28 AM

The Olympics were way more entertaining than the first test match between India and England which was boring and ended as a draw. England got lucky since India looked like they would easily win.

Rain continues wreaking havoc as usual and it could affect the upcoming matches between them destroying another high profile series. Sad!

Disappointing ending for sure but hardly a boring match.

England is happy camp atm due to rain, although England had minuscule chance but with lots of "If" . Indeed sad ending for India as they had really good chance of winning this match and start the series with 1 up and not to mention 12 valuable WTC points, now they have to share points with the England.

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The Olympics were way more entertaining than the first test match between India and England which was boring and ended as a draw. England got lucky since India looked like they would easily win.

Rain continues wreaking havoc as usual and it could affect the upcoming matches between them destroying another high profile series. Sad!

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Quote from: nhaila on August 08, 2021, 09:36:55 AM

Rain has been stopped and it highly possible to start match. Currently tea Break .... We all waiting for next update. Pitch outfield very moisture ... So spinner and fast ball can beat any batsman....

The match is called off without a single ball being bowled on the final day and the advantage was for India coming into the final day and i thought they could have won the match considering the batting line up they have and the total was not that huge. India needs to regroup and play like this throughout the tournament and if there is no rain interruption we could see a competitive series because i am sick of these stale draws due to bad weather.

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Rain has been stopped and it highly possible to start match. Currently tea Break .... We all waiting for next update. Pitch outfield very moisture ... So spinner and fast ball can beat any batsman....

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England will be lucky to avoid a defeat due to rain, even if the match resumes the maximum we would get is a session and India needs 157 runs and it is highly unlikely they will be trying to chase them, even if Rohit Sharma goes after the bowlers and Pant is promoted it is difficult to execute that easily.

Update is that the groundsmen are trying their best to resume the match, lets see how this goes.

It looks like they are lucky no sign of the rain stopping at the moment. This match can be easily won by the Indian team if only the rain stops. Sharma and Pujara can easily reach the target if they play patiently. Then if the rain stops the wicket might favour the bowlers too all of this can be only known when the match restarts.

The weather has been persistently wet, and this has ruined the cricket game. The rain has created tension among the Indian fans, who are pretty confident that India will win! England's luck seems to favor them, but I feel sorry for the Indians as it's their game. Let's say India got the chance to bat.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on August 08, 2021, 07:59:03 AM

England will be lucky to avoid a defeat due to rain, even if the match resumes the maximum we would get is a session and India needs 157 runs and it is highly unlikely they will be trying to chase them, even if Rohit Sharma goes after the bowlers and Pant is promoted it is difficult to execute that easily.

Update is that the groundsmen are trying their best to resume the match, lets see how this goes.

It looks like they are lucky no sign of the rain stopping at the moment. This match can be easily won by the Indian team if only the rain stops. Sharma and Pujara can easily reach the target if they play patiently. Then if the rain stops the wicket might favour the bowlers too all of this can be only known when the match restarts.

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England will be lucky to avoid a defeat due to rain, even if the match resumes the maximum we would get is a session and India needs 157 runs and it is highly unlikely they will be trying to chase them, even if Rohit Sharma goes after the bowlers and Pant is promoted it is difficult to execute that easily.

Update is that the groundsmen are trying their best to resume the match, lets see how this goes.

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Yes 157 not a huge amounts for Indian cricket team. It would be highly possible to get any win results. Now India four days stumps with 52/1 and only 157 runs need to win ...

Now there are only two possible outcomes: a win for India, or a draw. I don't think that it is possible for England to win this match, unless Broad or Anderson takes out a miraculous performance. My concern is the weather. Yesterday rain stayed away for most of the time. But heavy rains are predicted for today at Nottingham, especially during the first half (there's a 62% probability of precipitation). How many overs are needed for India to win this match? If half of the mandatory overs are washed out, will they be able to win the match?

India needs only 157 runs to win. There are a lot of experienced batsmen in the Indian squad. 157 runs is not a big deal for them. But the rain will probably help the England team avoid the embarrassment of defeat. If 1 session game is interrupted due to rain, the match will be drawn. If it doesn't rain, the match will be completely under Indian control unless there is a miracle.

India need 157 runs with 9 wickets remaining. India has a good chance of winning the match. However, England could get their usual assist from nature and get a favorable condition for a draw. As long as that stays out of the day, India can win this match. However, in cricket anything can happen.

If nature had been favorable, India would undoubtedly have won against England. Because their batsmen seem to be in very good form. Moreover, England scored only 183 runs in the first innings. However, the situation is not in India's favor, India's luck is bad. They were deprived of a sure victory.

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