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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 12, 2021, 09:57:56 AM

Scoring rate went down after Rohit got out. If India could make a total of above 350, then there is a real chance that England will be forced to follow on. Other than this, getting a result will be difficult as the weather predictions are not looking great. England bowlers look really pathetic, especially Mark Wood and Sam Curran. Now I understand why they included James Anderson in the playing XI, despite the fact that he was not 100% fit. Without him, it would be just cakewalk for the Indian batsmen.

India lost Cheteshwar Pusjara's wicket very quickly after Rohit Sharma was dismissed. He was out for just 9 runs. Now Kohli and Rahul are in the crease. Kohli did not perform well in the last match. Was out for zero in the first innings. Pujara did not play well in the previous match and, as usual, performed poorly today. However, expect a big partnership from Kohli and Rahul.

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Scoring rate went down after Rohit got out. If India could make a total of above 350, then there is a real chance that England will be forced to follow on. Other than this, getting a result will be difficult as the weather predictions are not looking great. England bowlers look really pathetic, especially Mark Wood and Sam Curran. Now I understand why they included James Anderson in the playing XI, despite the fact that he was not 100% fit. Without him, it would be just cakewalk for the Indian batsmen.

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^^ I also think that Ashwin could have been handy here. In this match England has 3 left hand batters and Ashwin is most successful spinner against lefty in the cricket history.

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First 50 runs opening partnership for India at the Lord's since 1952 lol

India collection 77 without losing any wicket. Rohit Sharma's collected 56. Kl Rahul is unbeaten on 15, he has played 67 balls. The Indian two batsmen have made an extraordinary start. Whatever you say, this is their best opening partnership at Loards. I think this match will also be a draw. The way the Indian team has started, they will undoubtedly be able to collect more than 350 runs effortlessly.

I guess now it is ~~highest~~ 2nd highest opening stand by any visiting team.

No need to jinx tho lol, we shouldn't forget that its Duke ball and English conditions. Dukes hardly gets soft and move throughout the day, tricky situation during overcast condition. Wickets always comes in cluster and possibility of mini collapse always available in such conditions.

Seam bowler Anderson and Wood are back with their new spell, so both batters need to be careful here if they successfully see off this period then big positive for India..

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Damn Rohit is gone, he missed a ton in the lords. Lips sealed

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103/0 now. Excellent start by India. Anderson doesn't look 100% fit, and the other bowlers are struggling. But I just noticed that Mohammed Siraj has been picked ahead of Ravichandran Ashwin. This is a very poor decision, IMO. Siraj was the worst performing bowler in the first test and in case Ishant had to be included, then that could have been done by dropping Siraj. On the other hand, they dropped Shardul, who is more handy with the bat. Anyway, RCB quota in play... what to say here. Disappointed at the absence of Ashwin.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 12, 2021, 07:46:43 AM

Rain interrupted the first session and they took early lunch. Overcast condition and Anderson is bowling, deadly combination for any batters and for Indian perspective it was very nervous and tight 18 overs session, our openers did excellent job surviving Anderson-Robinson's spells and bowlers looked a bit frustrated. Atm scorecard is looking good (thanks to Sam Curran) but situation can change very quickly because of tough conditions.

Hope Indian openers keep batting like this for may be 1 more session.

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First 50 runs opening partnership for India at the Lord's since 1952 lol

India collection 77 without losing any wicket. Rohit Sharma's collected 56. Kl Rahul is unbeaten on 15, he has played 67 balls. The Indian two batsmen have made an extraordinary start. Whatever you say, this is their best opening partnership at Loards. I think this match will also be a draw. The way the Indian team has started, they will undoubtedly be able to collect more than 350 runs effortlessly.

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Rain interrupted the first session and they took early lunch. Overcast condition and Anderson is bowling, deadly combination for any batters and for Indian perspective it was very nervous and tight 18 overs session, our openers did excellent job surviving Anderson-Robinson's spells and bowlers looked a bit frustrated. Atm scorecard is looking good (thanks to Sam Curran) but situation can change very quickly because of tough conditions.

Hope Indian openers keep batting like this for may be 1 more session.

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First 50 runs opening partnership for India at the Lord's since 1952 lol

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India vs England, Again rain!!
Will this match happend today or not. Why do they organize tournaments in a location when it is known it will rain in summer. I think today's day will be lost due to rain.

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Stuart Broad is already out of the series, and now it looks as if James Anderson might not be fit enough to play today. In that case Saqib Mahmood may make his debut, after impressing the selectors recently with his performance in the T20 series against Pakistan. Almost half a dozen of the first line England pacers are now unavailable as a result of injury. And this includes Jofra Archer, Chris Woakes and Olly Stone. Maybe we can add Ben Stokes as well. So for them, the selection needs to be made between Saqib, Mark Wood, Ollie Robinson, Sam Curran and Craig Overton.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 11, 2021, 11:06:37 PM

I think they played Shardul Thakur because he can bat as well. But he only got a duck so that concept did not worked out and i totally agree with you. Ishant must be in the playing 11 so as ashwin they got 300 and 400 wickets respectively for india so they must be in the playing 11 without any doubt.

His batting skills are not bad, but he can't be considered as an allrounder. And at this point, I would prefer to go with the best bowlers available. Keeping an experienced pacer like Ishant out, because Shardul is a better batsman doesn't make any sense. Shardul has been given enough chances and he has failed to impress with the ball. And regarding Ashwin, I would prefer to include him in the playing XI. He adds variety to the bowling attack, and England batsmen have historically fared poorly against spin.

Lol Enough chances??

Don't know what are you talking about. So far Shardul featured in 3 test match and in his debut match back in 2018, he got injured after bowling 1-ish overs so technically he has played only 2 test match. 11 wickets + 73 runs in 2 game doesn't look bad when you're batting at number 8 and how can you forget his important role in 120 +runs partnership with Sunder in Gabba where he contributed 67 runs.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 11, 2021, 11:06:37 PM

I think they played Shardul Thakur because he can bat as well. But he only got a duck so that concept did not worked out and i totally agree with you. Ishant must be in the playing 11 so as ashwin they got 300 and 400 wickets respectively for india so they must be in the playing 11 without any doubt.

His batting skills are not bad, but he can't be considered as an allrounder. And at this point, I would prefer to go with the best bowlers available. Keeping an experienced pacer like Ishant out, because Shardul is a better batsman doesn't make any sense. Shardul has been given enough chances and he has failed to impress with the ball. And regarding Ashwin, I would prefer to include him in the playing XI. He adds variety to the bowling attack, and England batsmen have historically fared poorly against spin.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 09:31:32 PM

If Ishant gets in to the playing XI, then it will be good. I don't know why he was not considered for the first test. I believe that he is a far better bowler than either Mohammed Siraj or Shardul Thakur. I guess Siraj got in to the team because of the RCB quota. His test record so far is not very impressive, despite the fact that he has played almost all of his matches in seam-friendly conditions. For the second test, I would prefer three seamers (Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami), as well as two spinners (Ravindra Jadeja & Ravichandran Ashwin).

3 seam + 2 spin or 4 seam + 1 spin combination will depend on the conditions. If Kohli & co think that pitch supporting seamers then Bumrah, Shami, Siraj and Ishant will take care of seam attack. Ashwin might lose the spot because keeping Jaddu out doesn't make sense after his last performance with the bat. England also looking at 4 seam + 1 spin combination.

If conditions are different then Ashwin-Jadeja combination with 3 seamers looks fine but i'm not sure who would kohli pick as his 3rd seam option if it comes down to Siraj or Ishant. So far Siraj played 4 games in SENA countries and took 16 wickets. 6 wickets in Brisbane, 5 in Melbourne, 3 in Nottingham and 2 in Sydney so his numbers are not that bad. On the other hand Ishant record is also good and he's experienced.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 09:31:32 PM

If Ishant gets in to the playing XI, then it will be good. I don't know why he was not considered for the first test. I believe that he is a far better bowler than either Mohammed Siraj or Shardul Thakur. I guess Siraj got in to the team because of the RCB quota. His test record so far is not very impressive, despite the fact that he has played almost all of his matches in seam-friendly conditions. For the second test, I would prefer three seamers (Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami), as well as two spinners (Ravindra Jadeja & Ravichandran Ashwin).

I think they played Shardul Thakur because he can bat as well. But he only got a duck so that concept did not worked out and i totally agree with you. Ishant must be in the playing 11 so as ashwin they got 300 and 400 wickets respectively for india so they must be in the playing 11 without any doubt.

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If Ishant gets in to the playing XI, then it will be good. I don't know why he was not considered for the first test. I believe that he is a far better bowler than either Mohammed Siraj or Shardul Thakur. I guess Siraj got in to the team because of the RCB quota. His test record so far is not very impressive, despite the fact that he has played almost all of his matches in seam-friendly conditions. For the second test, I would prefer three seamers (Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami), as well as two spinners (Ravindra Jadeja & Ravichandran Ashwin).

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Few updates

- Anderson (Quad)-Board (Calf) are facing fitness problem.
- Moeen Ali is back in the England's squad.
- Lord Thakur is also struggling with Hamstring. Ashwin might get in the team this time and Ishant could replace Siraj.
- India and England both lost 2 WTC points due to slow over rate and 40% match fees lol Grin

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 11, 2021, 01:45:10 AM

@Sithara007 this is a totally new angle for me cause for all this while I believed he was dropped because of his form, and due to his age. Furthermore I did a quick search to see if what you say is mentioned somewhere, but all I found was articles saying he was dropped due to poor form, and due to him being 40 years, so I’m sharing those links below have a look and offer your take on them.

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https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2015/05/23/chanderpaul-dropped-for-australian-series/

https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/chanderpaul-i-wanted-12000-runs-not-laras-record-1.1661423

This is what Chanderpaul had to say: https://www.espncricinfo.com/video/i-was-forced-to-retire-by-wicb-chanderpaul-968357

And the argument that his form was not good is simply not true. Chanderpaul scored 648 runs in 2014-15, at an average of 43.20. His batting average may look ordinary, but this includes runs scored in a few tough bilateral series. And the issue of selection has been raised by many players of Indian origin, including Ravi Rampaul. And in case of Rampaul, he was told that he can't be selected in the national team because he belonged to a different race:

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/west-indies-selectors-told-i-was-not-picked-because-of-how-i-look-on-tv-says-ravi-rampaul-441512

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 10, 2021, 01:07:03 PM

Why was Shivnarine Chanderpaul forced to retire, i do not know these stories but i would like to know. I know they had a great team in the past but for decades they are a mediocre team in the longer format.

West Indies cricket team doesn't represent a single nation, but more than a dozen different countries. So it is normal to have differences related to selection policies. And in West Indies, religion and race plays a large part in sports. In case of Shivnarine Chanderpaul, he was kicked out of the team because the selectors wanted Brian Lara to remain as the top run-scorer for West Indies in test cricket. Lara has a total of 11,953 test runs to his name, while Chanderpaul had 11,867 runs when he was dropped from the test side (86 runs behind Lara). Also, Chanderpaul was quite assertive about his religion, which worked against him in a region where non-Christian religions are treated sub-par.

@Sithara007 this is a totally new angle for me cause for all this while I believed he was dropped because of his form, and due to his age. Furthermore I did a quick search to see if what you say is mentioned somewhere, but all I found was articles saying he was dropped due to poor form, and due to him being 40 years, so I’m sharing those links below have a look and offer your take on them.

Sources:

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2015/05/23/chanderpaul-dropped-for-australian-series/

https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/chanderpaul-i-wanted-12000-runs-not-laras-record-1.1661423

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 10, 2021, 01:07:03 PM

Why was Shivnarine Chanderpaul forced to retire, i do not know these stories but i would like to know. I know they had a great team in the past but for decades they are a mediocre team in the longer format.

West Indies cricket team doesn't represent a single nation, but more than a dozen different countries. So it is normal to have differences related to selection policies. And in West Indies, religion and race plays a large part in sports. In case of Shivnarine Chanderpaul, he was kicked out of the team because the selectors wanted Brian Lara to remain as the top run-scorer for West Indies in test cricket. Lara has a total of 11,953 test runs to his name, while Chanderpaul had 11,867 runs when he was dropped from the test side (86 runs behind Lara). Also, Chanderpaul was quite assertive about his religion, which worked against him in a region where non-Christian religions are treated sub-par.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 10, 2021, 09:45:11 AM

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Pollard is bad example because he's not test player.

Just now realized that Kieron Pollard hasn't played a test match till date. Perhaps he don't want to participate in test matches, but my opinion is that he could be more than handy even in the longer format. West Indies has been performing quite poorly in test format, ever since Shivnarine Chanderpaul was forced to retire. I believe that he was the last West Indian batsmen who could dig in and build a partnership under adverse conditions. After his retirement, I am yet to see a quality test batsmen in the West Indian squad.

Its correct that they hit the rock bottom but they do have some serious test players. In first batch Jason Holder, Kemar Roach, Kraigg Brathwaite, Roston Chase, Shannon Gabriel names come to my mind, then we have young players like Shimron Hetmyer (Big fan of his batting and really talented batter but sadly not quite successful yet), Shai Hope and Kyle Mayers are also seems promising.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 10, 2021, 09:45:11 AM

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Just now realized that Kieron Pollard hasn't played a test match till date. Perhaps he don't want to participate in test matches, but my opinion is that he could be more than handy even in the longer format.

The only format Kieron Pollard plays well is the T20 format and there is not much memorable performance in the T20 International format as all of his performance are in franchise T20 leagues, he is not even consistent in the ODI format and only recently he started to perform consistently and there is no way he will perform well in Test matches.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 10, 2021, 09:45:11 AM

West Indies has been performing quite poorly in test format, ever since Shivnarine Chanderpaul was forced to retire. I believe that he was the last West Indian batsmen who could dig in and build a partnership under adverse conditions. After his retirement, I am yet to see a quality test batsmen in the West Indian squad.

Why was Shivnarine Chanderpaul forced to retire, i do not know these stories but i would like to know. I know they had a great team in the past but for decades they are a mediocre team in the longer format.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 10, 2021, 12:59:11 AM

Pollard is bad example because he's not test player.

Just now realized that Kieron Pollard hasn't played a test match till date. Perhaps he don't want to participate in test matches, but my opinion is that he could be more than handy even in the longer format. West Indies has been performing quite poorly in test format, ever since Shivnarine Chanderpaul was forced to retire. I believe that he was the last West Indian batsmen who could dig in and build a partnership under adverse conditions. After his retirement, I am yet to see a quality test batsmen in the West Indian squad.

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