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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 02, 2021, 06:32:21 PM

Quote from: onrise on March 02, 2021, 12:23:51 PM

Anybody watching the Afghanistan vs Zimbabwe test match held at Abu Dhabi. Afghanistan was all out at just 131 runs and Zimbabwe are now 133/5. Though Zimbabwe is also now not that strong anything is possible though Zimbabwe has an advantage that they still have 5 wickets and already 2 runs ahead. But Afghanistan can wrap up last 5 wickets quickly with not much lead then they will need to bat well in second innings to create some pressure back on Zimbabwe.

I thought about placing a bet on Afghanistan to win the match but when i saw the team i could not recognize the team members and their best players are playing franchise T20 matches and hence not available to play for the team and hence i thought it would be risky to wage a bet on the match. If Rashid Khan or any of their recognized players were included then it would be an easy bet but not sure about it when you are not sure about the players.

A few days back, Rashid Khan was complaining, claiming that Afghanistan doesn't get much opportunities to play against the top teams. But if they perform like this, then why should the top teams play against them? The squad selection was also poor. They went for a very inexperienced side. Zimbabwe on the other hand had a mix of experienced and inexperienced players and that gave them the advantage.

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Quote from: onrise on March 02, 2021, 12:23:51 PM

Anybody watching the Afghanistan vs Zimbabwe test match held at Abu Dhabi. Afghanistan was all out at just 131 runs and Zimbabwe are now 133/5. Though Zimbabwe is also now not that strong anything is possible though Zimbabwe has an advantage that they still have 5 wickets and already 2 runs ahead. But Afghanistan can wrap up last 5 wickets quickly with not much lead then they will need to bat well in second innings to create some pressure back on Zimbabwe.

I thought about placing a bet on Afghanistan to win the match but when i saw the team i could not recognize the team members and their best players are playing franchise T20 matches and hence not available to play for the team and hence i thought it would be risky to wage a bet on the match. If Rashid Khan or any of their recognized players were included then it would be an easy bet but not sure about it when you are not sure about the players.

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Quote from: onrise on March 02, 2021, 12:23:51 PM

Anybody watching the Afghanistan vs Zimbabwe test match held at Abu Dhabi. Afghanistan was all out at just 131 runs and Zimbabwe are now 133/5. Though Zimbabwe is also now not that strong anything is possible though Zimbabwe has an advantage that they still have 5 wickets and already 2 runs ahead. But Afghanistan can wrap up last 5 wickets quickly with not much lead then they will need to bat well in second innings to create some pressure back on Zimbabwe.

I would say that this is quite disappointing from Afghanistan. I have always considered them as one of the teams having huge future potential. On the other hand, Zimbabwe is one of those sides who are in the decline. Not even one Afghanistan batsmen could make a half century. If they can't perform against a team such as Zimbabwe, then how can they ask for more matches against quality teams? I understand that their bowling was severely hampered by the absence of Rashid Khan. But expected better performance from their batsmen.

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Quote from: onrise on March 02, 2021, 12:23:51 PM

Anybody watching the Afghanistan vs Zimbabwe test match held at Abu Dhabi. Afghanistan was all out at just 131 runs and Zimbabwe are now 133/5. Though Zimbabwe is also now not that strong anything is possible though Zimbabwe has an advantage that they still have 5 wickets and already 2 runs ahead. But Afghanistan can wrap up last 5 wickets quickly with not much lead then they will need to bat well in second innings to create some pressure back on Zimbabwe.

It doesn't look like Zimbabwe will be under any more pressure in this match. They are already ahead by 2 runs. And they have 5 more wickets. Sean Williams is still at the crease. If they can somehow collect a total of 200 runs, it is enough for them. But I think tomorrow Zimbabwe will collect 40-50 runs and lose the rest of the wickets. But i hope Zimbabwe will win this match

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Anybody watching the Afghanistan vs Zimbabwe test match held at Abu Dhabi. Afghanistan was all out at just 131 runs and Zimbabwe are now 133/5. Though Zimbabwe is also now not that strong anything is possible though Zimbabwe has an advantage that they still have 5 wickets and already 2 runs ahead. But Afghanistan can wrap up last 5 wickets quickly with not much lead then they will need to bat well in second innings to create some pressure back on Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: mersal on March 02, 2021, 09:35:04 AM

And also the pitch will behave to the Indian condition which means you can't expect pace and seam like in England, so if they want to win the match on other grounds then they should prepare themselves to play at my condition. Indian batsmen too played there more comfortably than Eng so they were ahead of ENG this time. Probably the captain will choose the correct playing XI for ENG this time.

If they had included one more spinner, then things would have been a little bit better for England last time. Jack Leach bowled well, but he lacked support from the other end. Bess can be quite wayward at times, but I guess he could have made an impact in the third test. There was no point in going for 4 pace bowlers and just one full time spinner, as England did for the third test.

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Quote from: mersal on March 02, 2021, 12:36:37 AM

Same ground will be having different pitches made of Different soil and as far as I know that ground is having 11 playing pitches so there will be different pitch for sure this time, but Indian conditions mostly favourable for spinners all the time or it will be flat.

They can make 11 different pitches or 22. In the end, the pitch will behave the way Indian captain and coach want. And this time it is like life or death situation for Kohli. He hasn't won an ICC event for a very long time. He desperately want to play in the WTC finals and lift the trophy. So I don't expect much difference in ground conditions for the 4th test match.

And also the pitch will behave to the Indian condition which means you can't expect pace and seam like in England, so if they want to win the match on other grounds then they should prepare themselves to play at my condition. Indian batsmen too played there more comfortably than Eng so they were ahead of ENG this time. Probably the captain will choose the correct playing XI for ENG this time.

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Kohli bowls part time spin nowadays, just like other Indian batsmen. The norm is that being an all rounder is the responsibility of the bowlers, and not the batsmen. I see a few bowlers working hard to improve their batting skills, but the reverse is very rare. The batsmen don't want to spend much time and effort in improving their bowling skills. Can't blame them. With such a powerful bowling attack which India possess, they may never get an opportunity to bowl even if they improve their skills.

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They can go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners as they did during the third test, or with just 1 pacer and 3 spinner. Going with 4 spinners, with no pace bowling support will be madness. I would have considered this scenario, if India had some pace bowling all rounders. The current Indian team have none. All of their batsmen bowl part-time spin and there is not a single player who could bowl medium pace. This is OK in India, but can be a big handicap in SENA nations. There are a few promising youngsters in the domestic circuit such as Manisankar Murasingh. The BCCI needs to give them an opportunity to play for the national team.

Do you feel same when any subcontinent team visit any SENA countires? After all, we have countless (99.99%) examples where team went with the 4 seam +1 spin combination so why not go with the opposite if visiting SENA country is not vulnerable against spin (at least in recent scenario)?

As I mentioned earlier, I am OK with 1 pacer and 3/4 spinners. But I believe that 7788bitcoin wanted to go with an all-spin attack. I don't think that going to a test match without any pacer is a good idea, especially when there are no part-time pace bowlers in the Indian squad. I have seen many occasions when teams in SENA grounds went with an all-pace attack. But even in such occasions, they had at least 2-3 part timers who could bowl occasional spin.

I don't see any wrong even when team go with 4 seamers so i don't mind if team going with 4 specialist bowlers. Just imagine Jadeja, Ashwin,Axar,Sunder/Kuldeep bowling in India in same match along with only 1 seamer. Indian lower batting order would get strong too.

Does this count as part time pacer? Grin

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Quote from: mersal on March 02, 2021, 12:36:37 AM

Same ground will be having different pitches made of Different soil and as far as I know that ground is having 11 playing pitches so there will be different pitch for sure this time, but Indian conditions mostly favourable for spinners all the time or it will be flat.

They can make 11 different pitches or 22. In the end, the pitch will behave the way Indian captain and coach want. And this time it is like life or death situation for Kohli. He hasn't won an ICC event for a very long time. He desperately want to play in the WTC finals and lift the trophy. So I don't expect much difference in ground conditions for the 4th test match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 01, 2021, 10:20:41 PM

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The pandemic might be the reason they are playing the matches in the same stadium. The first two matches took place in one stadium and the next two in another stadium. What i am waiting to see is whether they will be playing in the same pitch or another pitch and with WTC entry on the line i think it is safe to bet on India to win irrespective of the toss as the last match showed that toss does not make a difference in this wicket.

It is definitely going to be a new pitch, although I don't really expect the ground conditions to change drastically. The pitch for the third test match was used only for two days, but by then it had disintegrated completely. I disagree with you on toss. It is still having a huge impact on the outcome and if England wins the toss, then the match is going to be very competitive.

Same ground will be having different pitches made of Different soil and as far as I know that ground is having 11 playing pitches so there will be different pitch for sure this time, but Indian conditions mostly favourable for spinners all the time or it will be flat.

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Quote from: ene1980 on March 01, 2021, 06:04:31 PM

The pandemic might be the reason they are playing the matches in the same stadium. The first two matches took place in one stadium and the next two in another stadium. What i am waiting to see is whether they will be playing in the same pitch or another pitch and with WTC entry on the line i think it is safe to bet on India to win irrespective of the toss as the last match showed that toss does not make a difference in this wicket.

It is definitely going to be a new pitch, although I don't really expect the ground conditions to change drastically. The pitch for the third test match was used only for two days, but by then it had disintegrated completely. I disagree with you on toss. It is still having a huge impact on the outcome and if England wins the toss, then the match is going to be very competitive.

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Quote from: onrise on February 28, 2021, 12:16:14 PM

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The match is held in the same ground not sure the reason for it, because could have had 4 venues like for 4 matches which is generally the case. And now we know that the test match might not last more than 3 days or max the result should be on the 4th day. Also winning the toss and might want to bowl first since Indian in second innings were completely batting in a different way than the first innings and were better in timing the ball as well.

The pandemic might be the reason they are playing the matches in the same stadium. The first two matches took place in one stadium and the next two in another stadium. What i am waiting to see is whether they will be playing in the same pitch or another pitch and with WTC entry on the line i think it is safe to bet on India to win irrespective of the toss as the last match showed that toss does not make a difference in this wicket.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 01, 2021, 12:46:26 PM

The Indian pace bowlers bowled a total of 11 overs in the third Test match, 19 overs in the second Test matches and the only match India used the fast bowlers was in the first Test match and England won that match and we know how the pitch is going to behave and with that clear why you need to include the fast bowlers if they are not going to bowl.

Well.. the fast bowlers bowled considerable number of overs in the first test match. The third test match was an exception and I don't think that we'll get a similar type of pitch in the fourth match. Ever since I started watching cricket, I have never seen a team deciding to include no fast bowlers in their playing XI. I have seen teams going with no spinners, but going without pace bowlers is unheard of.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 01, 2021, 11:58:07 AM

As I mentioned earlier, I am OK with 1 pacer and 3/4 spinners. But I believe that 7788bitcoin wanted to go with an all-spin attack. I don't think that going to a test match without any pacer is a good idea, especially when there are no part-time pace bowlers in the Indian squad. I have seen many occasions when teams in SENA grounds went with an all-pace attack. But even in such occasions, they had at least 2-3 part timers who could bowl occasional spin.

The Indian pace bowlers bowled a total of 11 overs in the third Test match, 19 overs in the second Test matches and the only match India used the fast bowlers was in the first Test match and England won that match and we know how the pitch is going to behave and with that clear why you need to include the fast bowlers if they are not going to bowl.

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They can go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners as they did during the third test, or with just 1 pacer and 3 spinner. Going with 4 spinners, with no pace bowling support will be madness. I would have considered this scenario, if India had some pace bowling all rounders. The current Indian team have none. All of their batsmen bowl part-time spin and there is not a single player who could bowl medium pace. This is OK in India, but can be a big handicap in SENA nations. There are a few promising youngsters in the domestic circuit such as Manisankar Murasingh. The BCCI needs to give them an opportunity to play for the national team.

Do you feel same when any subcontinent team visit any SENA countires? After all, we have countless (99.99%) examples where team went with the 4 seam +1 spin combination so why not go with the opposite if visiting SENA country is not vulnerable against spin (at least in recent scenario)?

As I mentioned earlier, I am OK with 1 pacer and 3/4 spinners. But I believe that 7788bitcoin wanted to go with an all-spin attack. I don't think that going to a test match without any pacer is a good idea, especially when there are no part-time pace bowlers in the Indian squad. I have seen many occasions when teams in SENA grounds went with an all-pace attack. But even in such occasions, they had at least 2-3 part timers who could bowl occasional spin.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2021, 10:11:46 AM

Its completely reverse what we see in SENA country so its fair in all means. Would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Axar-Kuldeep/Sunder group in India similar to Anderson-Broad-Woakes-Archer or Cummins-Hazelwood-Starc +one more (Green etc).

F**k everyone if they say its spinning track etc, even its turning from day 1, adapt or die as simple as that. If India lose from here then Job well done for Visiting team without any doubt. Yardstick should be same for everyone. India never complain about seam, swing bounce in SENA countries.

It would be great if India replace Ishant Sharma with a spinner and India going in the match with an extra batsman and 4 main spinners and Ashwin, Axar Patel, Sundar and since Jadeja is injured and we can go with Kuldeep in the team. In the past India used to play with 3 and 4 spinners and no one complained about that and every team will play according to their strength and there is nothing wrong in it.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 01, 2021, 11:21:35 AM

They can go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners as they did during the third test, or with just 1 pacer and 3 spinner. Going with 4 spinners, with no pace bowling support will be madness. I would have considered this scenario, if India had some pace bowling all rounders. The current Indian team have none. All of their batsmen bowl part-time spin and there is not a single player who could bowl medium pace. This is OK in India, but can be a big handicap in SENA nations. There are a few promising youngsters in the domestic circuit such as Manisankar Murasingh. The BCCI needs to give them an opportunity to play for the national team.

Do you feel same when any subcontinent team visit any SENA countires? After all, we have countless (99.99%) examples where team went with the 4 seam +1 spin combination so why not go with the opposite if visiting SENA country is not vulnerable against spin (at least in recent scenario)?

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Kuldeep Yadav is a good bowler and he is probably the best wrist spinner India is having right now. He got a very rough deal in the second test match (after being dropped in the first match), when Kohli didn't gave him too many overs. And he was unfairly dropped for the third test match as well. But then Axar came to the squad and picked up close to a dozen wickets in the third match, so I don't know whether Kuldeep will get another chance.

I wont be surprised if India goes into the match with an all out spin attack, Kuldeep Yadav and Washington Sundar along with Ravichandran Ashwin and Axar Patel but i doubt Kuldeep Yadav and Washington Sundar will get any major role in the match as Washington Sundar got just 4 balls to bowl in the last match and he picked one wicket and i thought they should have given these youngsters more chance in spinning tracks to build their confidence.

They can go with 2 pacers and 3 spinners as they did during the third test, or with just 1 pacer and 3 spinner. Going with 4 spinners, with no pace bowling support will be madness. I would have considered this scenario, if India had some pace bowling all rounders. The current Indian team have none. All of their batsmen bowl part-time spin and there is not a single player who could bowl medium pace. This is OK in India, but can be a big handicap in SENA nations. There are a few promising youngsters in the domestic circuit such as Manisankar Murasingh. The BCCI needs to give them an opportunity to play for the national team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 28, 2021, 10:17:15 PM

And he was unfairly dropped for the third test match as well. But then Axar came to the squad and picked up close to a dozen wickets in the third match, so I don't know whether Kuldeep will get another chance.

Kuldeep had a ton of opportunities to perform in the past which is why I don't think this is unfair at all. Axar is performing well currently and that is what matters. The DD dude reminds me of Chahal in many ways.

Quote from: JSRAW on March 01, 2021, 10:11:46 AM

F**k everyone if they say its spinning track etc, even its turning from day 1, adapt or die as simple as that. If India lose from here then Job well done for Visiting team without any doubt. Yardstick should be same for everyone. India never complain about seam, swing bounce in SENA countries.

Well said. Peterson, Vaughan, Cook etc should be embarrassed of themselves for complaining and whining about the pitch. Am not a big fan of tests personally, but I enjoyed watching this one from start to finish.

My favourite part was Bairstow getting bowled spectacularly right after surviving an LBW decision. 0/2 was madness and the commentators lost it.

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